Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #201

[Kudzuu]

Here's my two scents on the D. It has vibes from the Murdaugh trial. Remember the midget killer? And Harpoolian's continual harassment of witnesses and disrespect for women? We saw how that turned out.

All my opinions.

I believe a defense lawyer has an ethical responsibility to defend the defendant even if guilty . How that is done is up to the lawyers.

As a juror I would find the outlandish behaviors and claims insulting to my intelligence. But that is me and my personal opinion.

 

[FrostedGlass]

October 19, 2024 reporting for anyone who may have missed it.

@KaitlynReports

The defendant’s wife, mother, stepfather, and a few others have been present.I have not yet seen his daughter.


2:34 PM · Oct 19, 2024

Thanks. I wonder if she'll be keeping track each day of all the relatives who are missing.

 

[steeltowngirl]

It's to prohibit words and sounds from the video as testimony.

Wow. Defense wants to exclude the victims’ own words and sounds.
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[shonyakay]

Bringing this forward because it's possible that some folks missed it earlier.
This is a short video that includes RL stating that neighbors stopped by his home the evening of the murders to get permission "look back here for the girls."

Bringing this forward because it's possible that some folks missed it earlier.
This is a short video that includes RL stating that neighbors stopped by his home the evening of the murders to get permission "look back here for the girls."

The girls' were found 0.2 miles Northeast of the bridge. RL's home is further to the North and to the east of where they were found.

 

[tlcya]

State's witnesses continue | Day 3 of Delphi murders trial for suspect Richard Allen

video at link

 

[shonyakay]

Wow. Defense wants to exclude the victims’ own words and sounds.
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From my understanding of the verbiage in the motion is the defense doesn't want others testifying to what they believe the audio reveals.

 

[susiQ]

I unintentionally laughed at this, imagining the state producing one of the poorly photoshoped pics of BG with RA's face superimposed onto it lol.

Funny, but they might actually be that desperate, lol!

 

[pixiepixel]

Wow. Defense wants to exclude the victims’ own words and sounds.

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This is just saying they don’t want witnesses to testify, “it sounds like the girls are saying _____”. Defense is asking for the jury to hear the audio with no third party analysis and interpret what may be said/heard for themselves.

Now, is that the right call? I don’t know. Who would the prosecution call to analyze the video? A certified audio engineer? A regular detective? Glad I don’t have to make this ruling, it seems like a tough one.

 

[Kudzuu]

Does anyone know where to find a pic of the crime scene? I've looked but can't find it. I think a photo of the topography of the area would clear up some confusion about why they weren't found that night.
TIA.

 

[steeltowngirl]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1848348242485862717

 

[TTF14]

From my understanding of the verbiage in the motion is the defense doesn't want others testifying to what they believe the audio reveals.

Reasonable. The jurors should be their own eyes and ears.

As always, JMO..

 

[susiQ]

Wow. Defense wants to exclude the victims’ own words and sounds.
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I believe they want to exclude a video that has been enhanced by the P that has audio put on a “loop.” Totally, understandable. Just play the original. JMHO
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[pseudo_hum]

This is just saying they don’t want witnesses to testify, “it sounds like the girls are saying _____”. Defense is asking for the jury to hear the audio with no third party analysis and interpret what may be said/heard for themselves.

Now, is that the right call? I don’t know. Who would the prosecution call to analyze the video? A certified audio engineer? A regular detective? Glad I don’t have to make this ruling, it seems like a tough one.

IMO, it depends if the defence is going to contend that the voices that are heard do not belong to to A/L?

 

[sunshineray]

DBM

 

[Justice101]

Reasonable. The jurors should be their own eyes and ears.

As always, JMO..

I get it. The voices are probably muffled and hard to make out "in the raw". If I was the defense, I would ask for experts to be denied too. But "experts" are there to explain how they clean up the audio by scrubbing out the background noise.

The defense wants the words caught on the video to be confusing and hard to figure out.

But... the defense AND prosecution can call experts as they wish. It is apart of the law.

Imagine not letting a DNA specialist explain the results of a DNA test and instead just have the raw report with all the markers, banding, statistical calculations all thrown out there.. in order to confuse the jury. Or imagine a forged signature not allowing a handwriting expert to explain how they came to the conclusion that a signature was faked... and asking the jury to determine if it was faked or not. Jury is not technically capable of making that determination. Or image a building falls down and kills people but to expect the jury to figure out why it collapsed on its own and who/what was at fault... without a structural engineer there to explain it.

Only people that are trained and licensed to do so are competent.

Tons of examples why you need licensed technical experts to testify.

Same thing here. This is a silly request.

Defense will not get their way IMO. Technical experts are allowed for a reason. Sure, play the raw.. they would anyway.

 

[shonyakay]

Does anyone know where to find a pic of the crime scene? I've looked but can't find it. I think a photo of the topography of the area would clear up some confusion about why they weren't found that night.
TIA.

RL's house is the very far east and North of where Abby and Libby were found.

Delphi murder trial: Family friend who found Abby, Libby tells about that day

In second day of testimony in Richard Allen’s trial, witness chokes up, telling the court he couldn’t look at the scene as he waited for police to arrive: ‘I stood there facing away from them'

www.basedinlafayette.com

 

[shonyakay]

Reasonable. The jurors should be their own eyes and ears.

As always, JMO..

I said I agree with this motion.

 

[Inthedetails]

I believe they want to exclude a video that has been enhanced by the P that has audio put on a “loop.” Totally, understandable. Just play the original. JMHO
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The jury can request the video to play on repeat during deliberations if they want to, imo. I wouldn't be surprised if they do that.

jmo

 

[ClearAhead]

Thanks. I wonder if she'll be keeping track each day of all the relatives who are missing.

The size of his support group is quite small as it is.

 

[MassGuy]

I get it. The voices are probably muffled and hard to make out "in the raw". If I was the defense, I would present that too. But "experts" are there to explain how they clean up the audio by scrubbing out the background noise.

The defense wants the words caught on the video to be confusing and hard to figure out.

But... the defense AND prosecution can call experts as they wish. Imagine not letting a DNA specialist explain the results of a DNA test and instead just have the raw report with all the markers, banding, statistical calculations all thrown out there.. in order to confuse the jury.

Same thing here.

Defense will not get their way IMO

Yes. I've followed quite a few cases where a witness/expert has testified to what is said in certain audio clips, many of which were enhanced in some way. I've seen it done in 911 calls, wiretaps, bugs, and other surreptitious recordings.