Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #201

[FrostedGlass]

The size of his support group is quite small as it is.

He has a small family and apparently spent most of his off-time with his wife. He may not have wanted his daughter to suffer all the negative publicity. Can't blame him for that.

 

[sunshineray]

Thanks. I wonder if she'll be keeping track each day of all the relatives who are missing.

Do you think RA's daughter may testify and that's why she's not attending? It definitely is noteworthy to us that know things said at the pretrial hearings etc... The jury may not even realize RA has a daughter so they don't know to miss her being present.

 

[MassGuy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1848366394032660580

 

[arielilane]

bbm. Curious (very curious) if there will be much more about the jacket, boots, knives and firearms found at the home? Are they a match, any of the girls' DNA on these items? Iirc, the murder weapon has never been found? Were any of Abby's or Libby's items found in the home, found in RA's car (transferred)? Also, iirc, recall earlier in the case RA burning something in backyard of home? is that correct? jmo


That same day, investigators executed a search warrant at his house and located “jackets, boots, knives and firearms, including a Sig Sauer, Model P226, .40 caliber pistol with serial number U 625 627,” the affidavit states.

Cops Reveal How They Nabbed Local Dad Richard Allen in Murder of Delphi Teens Abby Williams, Libby German

A single bullet linked pharmacy technician Richard Allen to the shocking murders of Abby Williams and Libby German on an Indiana hiking trail, an unsealed affidavit says.

www.thedailybeast.com

Published Nov. 29 2022 5:42PM EST

 

[TTF14]

I get it. The voices are probably muffled and hard to make out "in the raw". If I was the defense, I would present that too. But "experts" are there to explain how they clean up the audio by scrubbing out the background noise.

The defense wants the words caught on the video to be confusing and hard to figure out.

But... the defense AND prosecution can call experts as they wish. Imagine not letting a DNA specialist explain the results of a DNA test and instead just have the raw report with all the markers, banding, statistical calculations all thrown out there.. in order to confuse the jury.

Same thing here.

Defense will not get their way IMO

Are there experts that can hear better than the average person? Experts testifying about how the audio was cleaned up is one thing, but experts interpreting what they hear is highly subjective, I would think.

The jury should be allowed to listen and decide for themselves what they hear. This is how they handled it in the recent Charlie Adelson trial with a hard-to-hear audio recording, although the two sides did also mutually agree on a transcript for the jurors to see. Maybe they could to that here.

As always, JMO.

 

[Justice101]

Does anyone know where to find a pic of the crime scene? I've looked but can't find it. I think a photo of the topography of the area would clear up some confusion about why they weren't found that night.
TIA.

The crime scene is very hard to get to assuming the searches are split away from the bridge.

Topography is steep from the bridge entrance and down a steep hill then into a lower section that is not easily seen from the south side of the creek. Heavy wooded although leaves were all off.

I'll bet that 90% of the search team that night was looking in the water assumed they had fallen in and carried somewhere down stream. Stream flow was in the OPPOSITE DIRECTION from where the girls were found.

 

[sunshineray]

From my understanding of the verbiage in the motion is the defense doesn't want others testifying to what they believe the audio reveals.

Oh they don't want to have the tech experts testify about their work...why not? No NASA or FBI people allowed to explain their enhancement techniques in cleaning up the audio to try and catch a brutal killer? I'd have thought the D would want all over that with an opposing expert?
JMO

 

[FrostedGlass]

Do you think RA's daughter may testify and that's why she's not attending? It definitely is noteworthy to us that know things said at the pretrial hearings etc... The jury may not even realize RA has a daughter so they don't know to miss her being present.

What was said at the pretrial hearings that you consider noteworthy about RA's daughter?

 

[rez125]

None that we know of.

Thank you, I didn't think so but I'm not across everything.

 

[Jade]

Here's my two scents on the D. It has vibes from the Murdaugh trial. Remember the midget killer? And Harpoolian's continual harassment of witnesses and disrespect for women? We saw how that turned out.

All my opinions.

I believe a defense lawyer has an ethical responsibility to defend the defendant even if guilty . How that is done is up to the lawyers.

As a juror I would find the outlandish behaviors and claims insulting to my intelligence. But that is me and my personal opinion.

Like the Defense twisting to highlight what they say is RA’s “confession” of killing his family and friends when it was obviously RA using a common, perfectly acceptable figure of speech to express the effect of his arrest on them.

RA seemed to be emoting his feelings about his family and friends normally in the proper setting to the proper person at the proper time.

Instead the Defense wants him to appear as a raving maniac confessing wildly hoping to lessen the impact of the many other incidents where RA says he kills and those two are actually dead while still presenting him in court as sane and able to participate in his defense.



The Defense are doing nothing with that than showing Richard Allen is duplicitous, crazy one minute sane the next, just the type that could kill two girls pervert around and then go home go to work seemingly sane.


all imo

 

[TTF14]

Oh they don't want to have the tech experts testify about their work...why not? No NASA or FBI people allowed to explain their enhancement techniques in cleaning up the audio to try and catch a brutal killer? I'd have thought the D would want all over that with an opposing expert?
JMO

I don't think that's what they are asking. They are OK with the expert telling how the file was cleaned up and enhanced, but not the expert then saying, "and here's what I heard." Unless there are deaf jurors, they should be allowed to hear for themselves and decide what they hear.

As always, JMO.

 

[scapa]

I see it as a game. A high stakes chess match within the confines of the law.

Agree, in terms of short, medium and long-term prediction and strategizing, exploiting weaknesses and opportunities and looking to disrupt and impeach rather than prove a case.

I don't think the term "game" necessarily implies unseriousness, cynicism, or failure to understand the immense pain and grief these crimes have brought and continue to bring to families, friends and communities.

"War games," certainly, equally imply seriousness of purpose. They are not to be confused with "sports." It's about the how of the engagement rather than the specific subject or perceived purpose, IMO.

I do think there are distinctions to be made between "games" and "shenanigans."

These next few days look like they may be very difficult. Hoping for clarity and sensitivity from witnesses and counsel.

 

[BUF]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1848366394032660580

Like so many, I am so interested if there was anything else on that recording….visual or audio. This is the last minutes of these young girls lives. We have waited a long time for this. Hope we actually get to hear/see this one day.

 

[shonyakay]

Does anyone know where to find a pic of the crime scene? I've looked but can't find it. I think a photo of the topography of the area would clear up some confusion about why they weren't found that night.
TIA.

This is a very detailed map of the whole area.

2510 N 625 W · Delphi, Indiana

maps.app.goo.gl

 

[sunshineray]

Funny, but they might actually be that desperate, lol!

Why would you think that LE techs would even consider doing something so vile and dishonest? To frame an average man, why? I see no humor there. JMO

 

[Justice101]

Are there experts that can hear better than the average person? Experts testifying about how the audio was cleaned up is one thing, but experts interpreting what they hear is highly subjective, I would think.

The jury should be allowed to listen and decide for themselves what they hear. This is how they handled it in the recent Charlie Adelson trial with a hard-to-hear audio recording, although the two sides did also mutually agree on a transcript for the jurors to see. Maybe they could to that here.

As always, JMO.

I respectfully disagree.

Knowing that the final audio released is still scratchy, you probably won't be able to hear anything discernable. Probably overwhelmed by crunching walking in the gravel or a swish swish sound from her back pocket.

What about the video? Should juries have to just look at the video as is (10 times smaller and 5 times grainier?) Same question in my opinion.

This is very basic to our system of law.

Sure... let the jury hear and see the original. Then let the experts explain what PROVEN TECHNOLOGY they used to enhance it.

Image not allowing a finger print to be seen from a sheet of dry grainy paper unless you mist superglue into a chamber to attract. Sometimes evidence does not show itself until is it enhanced by someone trained in another field.

No worries regardless... I think raw will be allowed but the expert will also be allowed.

 

[scapa]

How lovely of them to do these things for visitors and their LE. God Bless Delphi <3 Pray for healing, for all who live there <3

Agree -- it's quite remarkable to reach out in these ways, and hopefully this civic pride and sense of community and shared desire for justice for these daughters of Delphi will also be part of the story of these case and trial.

 

[shonyakay]

This is a very detailed map of the whole area.

2510 N 625 W · Delphi, Indiana

maps.app.goo.gl

This map has everything you would want to know about the area and the approximate locations of the places of interest.

 

[shonyakay]

The jury can request the video to play on repeat during deliberations if they want to, imo. I wouldn't be surprised if they do that.

jmo

I am sure they will be comparing BG's voice to that of RA's prison phone calls too. Imo.

 

[sunshineray]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1848366394032660580

Anna Williams understood it when it was played for her by LE. (paraphrazing) Abby: Is that a gun? He's got a gun. Then there was the sound of a gun being cocked/chambered.

Sept 2020 interview 27:45 (50+ peeps)