Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #201

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What a horrible thing to go to trial so the families and others have to go through this trauma! He could have pled guilty and taken his punishment… <modsnip - bashing family members> he knows the truth, and he could’ve done the right thing for everyone involved.
 
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Rough morning of testimony here in #Delphi. An Indiana State Police crime scene investigator showed jurors 3 diagrams of the crime scene & 43 pics he took there. The photos show Abby & Libby’s bodies & their throats slit. He said ground nearby was “saturated with blood.” #wthr 1/

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Some jurors understandably struggled while viewing the graphic photos, one putting his hand over his mouth & another taking long, deep breaths. The girls’ moms cried in the courtroom. I’ll have more details later. Heading back into courtroom now. 2/ #wthr

 
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DELPHI MURDER MORNING TRIAL NOTES:

My colleague Fox59’s Russ McQuaid was in court this morning. These are his observations. Testimony started with the 1st deputy on scene and and ISP crime scene investigator. 42 crime scene photos were entered into evidence and shown to court/jurors.The photos included everything from the general area to close ups of Libby and Abby. Abby was dressed. Libby was naked. The clothes Abby was in appeared damp.There were blood stains on both girls, on the ground and on the surrounding tress. There were tree branches set up in what appear to be a pattern on top of girls, some were in Vs or crosses, some with large branches. Murder suspect Richard Allen looked at the pictures as they were shown, but Russ said he had no significant reaction to them in his opinion. Still in direct examination of State Police CSI Court starts up again at 1pm

11:50 AM · Oct 21, 2024

Damp not wet? Just damp.

Am wondering if it was because of being there overnight rather than crossing the creek or maybe the perpetrator made the girls both undress before crossing over if that was the way they went.

Need to think...

Adding:


This could perhaps be something only the killer would know.

JMO MOO JMT
 
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I want the families to know that what he did to their daughters, what he did to their bodies, and that complete strangers are viewing especially LG's body nude, does not denigrate them. It denigrates RA, who I believe will be convicted of these crimes.

I just feel so bad for their families. Alleged murderer, but also a thief. Took their lives, stole their futures, robbed their families, and nowvthis: ripped privacy from all of them.

Want to articulate this a thousand times. They are sacred. What he did, profane. They remained untouched. The darkness, the depth, the depravity, it's all him.

He stole from every generation of their families...

And he sits there stone-faced.

Off with him.

My sympathy goes to the loved ones of Abby and Libby, two girls who should still be alive.

JMO
This was beautifully said.
 
Thanks; I remember that. It sounded good at the time.

I've read so much everything is blending together. I'm trying to put a timeline on this statement.
Have you seen a time for the interruption and who the interrupter is?

Not the OP but I expect there will be corroborating evidence that indicates there was activity shortly after the video cuts off. One the bridge side. Corresponding sadly to LG being forced to undress, possibly AW was starting to, shoes and socks at least. Then a known interruption. A car, people, something. Then they were moved to a second location, more secluded, and all within about 18 minutes from the end of the recording.

It's all very sobering. Crime scene photos tell the story. It's awful.

JMO
 
I think that the most effective argument would have been blaming Ron Logan. He was violent towards women, a couple of those women thought he resembled BG, lied about his alibi, owned numerous knives and firearms, and the murders occurred on his property.

His home was also searched extensively for items connected to the murders.

Obviously Logan didn't do it, but I think accusing him would be way more effective than some of the nonsense they're pushing.
I think the issue with the Defence attempting to use RL as an alternate is that the search warrant return from the search of his residence had them finding hard evidence that RL was at the Fish Store and cashed out at 5:21pm and given the time it would take to get back to his home from there, he wasn't home when the girls were viciously murdered.

The State has ToD, the Defence has that Discovery ... and they know RL doesn't "fit" IMO.

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Another interesting tidbit out of RL's warrant given we know that he returned home (at approx 5:51pm at the earliest by the above receipt timing), and was asked by an individual for his permission "to search back here" (in that linked-video RL is standing outside of his home) ... is that his home is 1400 feet from the actual location of the girls' remains:

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I also think that this paragraph 4 above highlights exactly how there was "a large amount" of blood at the crime scene given this search warrant is from 2017 and publicly posted ... and well before the Defence Team filed their Franks' Motions claiming otherwise.
 
Obvious to me after hearing what has been discussed today:

The girls were murdered right where they were found.
Copious amouts of their blood on the ground, on their person and on the trees.

They crossed Deer Creek.
Abby had damp clothing, other clothes found in the creek.


None of this, so far, squares with the defense and their stories.


JMO
 
Damp not wet? Just damp.

Am wondering if it was because of being there overnight rather than crossing the creek unless the perpetrator made the girls both undress before crossing over if that was the way they went.

Need to think...

JMO MOO JMT

Agree with your line of thinking.

At least the bottom of the pants legs should have totally wet since those had to get wet wading across and not warm enough or long enough to even partially dry.

IF he had walked them back across the bridge at gunpoint to where they then went "down the hill" on the north side, that 1) would have been very risky for him to accidentally run into someone else coming and 2) would take far longer than the 42 seconds or whatever the recording length was.

So maybe the first on the scene did not touch the bottom of the pants.
 
I wonder what happens if someone try to leave. Are they physically restrained? Sometimes bathroom emergencies happen...especially for women, in my opinion!

As always, JMO.
Now that's just being silly. This isn't the first decorum order restricting ingress/egress to the courtroom and of course there's an allowance for restroom or emergency. But if you leave, you just have to wait to re-enter the courtroom.
 
Branches atop the girls in patterns of Vs or crosses. Meaning what, exactly? Ritualistic somehow?
Probably not

Just picked up branches, leaves, etc and threw them over the girls to try to hide them.

If he was interrupted during the abduction he may have worried about another interruption, or heard others around the area, or heard DG calling for the girls and RA would be in a hurry to leave the CS so hastily threw twigs and leaves, etc over them.
 
Probably not

Just picked up branches, leaves, etc and threw them over the girls to try to hide them.

If he was interrupted during the abduction he may have worried about another interruption, or heard others around the area, or heard DG calling for the girls and RA would be in a hurry to leave the CS so hastily threw twigs and leaves, etc over them.

I think he redressed Abby (some remorse or guilt) and covered them with sticks because he may have had a little bit of guilt.

Plus
 
Jason Page has been with the Indiana State Police for 24 years and has worked as a detective and member of the SWAT team. He’s been a crime scene investigator for 16 years and estimated he’d been at between 950 and 1,000 crime scenes as a CSI and many more as a detective.

He arrived at the area around 1:30 p.m. on Feb. 14 and met with other crime scene investigators. Page took several photos and walked the jury through each one shown in court.

He described the area where the girls were found as “ground zero”—an approximately 30- to 40 -foot area containing most of the physical evidence.

The terrain is “pretty rough and steep,” he told the court. He showed the jury a map of the area and walked them through the topography. He described how investigators carefully marked the area near ground zero and the path leading to the girls’ bodies. He said investigators searched the scene with metal detectors and recalled a dive team conducting another search.

Page showed photos from the crime scene and described what each one showed.

One photo showed what appeared to be black marks on Libby’s body. Another showed an aerial view of the bodies with Deer Creek in the background. Jurors also saw photos of blood on Libby’s right hand and another of her left hand. Another photo showed a closeup of Libby’s face.

As Giancola had suggested, Page said the area was “saturated” with a large amount of blood on the ground. Blood was also on nearby trees; investigators used a chemical to check trees for additional traces. He also recalled that Abby’s clothes were wet.

“Her clothes were damp. I just remembered the clothes seemed damp,” he recalled.

Notes from the media pool described Page’s testimony as “calm” and almost “mechanical” as he explained what was contained within each image.

Page spoke for about 90 minutes before the court took a break. He resumed his testimony around 1 p.m

I’d imagine the knife was used violently and possibly causes the blood to splatter into the near by trees. Damp clothing could also be due to the night time dew on the ground. IMO
 
Agree with your line of thinking.

At least the bottom of the pants legs should have totally wet since those had to get wet wading across and not warm enough or long enough to even partially dry.

IF he had walked them back across the bridge at gunpoint to where they then went "down the hill" on the north side, that 1) would have been very risky for him to accidentally run into someone else coming and 2) would take far longer than the 42 seconds or whatever the recording length was.

So maybe the first on the scene did not touch the bottom of the pants.
One should not forget that the girls had been lying there deceased until lunch time the following day.

What clothing was still 'damp' then, perhaps may have been 'wet' - even soaking wet - the afternoon before and prior to the timing that the Prosecution believes "it was over".
 
I would hate to be a juror in this trial. You’d never forget those images for the rest of your life.

They, the jury, will probably never have to do another trial again after seeing those photos and when this is all done.

I hope the families are supported and given comfort as well - very hard and disturbing for them and all involved.

JMO MOO JMO
 
One should not forget that the girls had been lying there deceased until lunch time the following day.

What clothing was still 'damp' then, perhaps may have been 'wet' - even soaking wet - the afternoon before and prior to the timing that the Prosecution believes "it was over".
Yeah, it was what, over twenty hours?

That's long enough for some drying to occur.

MOO
 
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