Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #201

[Web_Sleuth]

Sorry if I missed it, but did any of the witness(es) state where the "down the hill" came in the video in comparison to the other comments the girls made?

This was posted:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1848779380765426110

 

[Seattle1]

Something I’ve been thinking about for a while: the thing I am most interested in right now is confirmation of the murder weapon, and whether or not it actually was a box cutter.

RA had a collection of blades, right? It seems very weird to me that he’s finally making real this dark fantasy or whatever, and despite all the weapons at his disposal he goes for the CVS issued box cutter.

And more importantly, killing TWO people with a box cutter suggests an extreme amount of confidence in one’s ability with a bladed weapon.

This is not at all to cast doubt on wee Ricky’s guilt, I absolutely believe he did this. It’s more to cast doubt on the idea that it was his first time.

We know the victims were killed with a straight edge blade, and a serrated one. I don't tend to think of box cutter when reading here.

We know that Alex Murdaugh used two weapons to kill two victims -- most likely trying to feign two shooters. He also had access to an arsenal of weapons yet chose a shotgun and an AR-style rifle. JMO

 

[MassGuy]

And there in lies the problem.

You can’t convict someone based on what some witnesses recall they may have been wearing (which none of them even agreed upon, there were differing reports of what BG was wearing) this is where reasonable doubt comes in.

JMO

He literally says what he was wearing. We can see the man in the video wearing the same clothing he admits to wearing.

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[Melted]

This was posted:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1848779380765426110

“there’s no path here, we got to go down here” is very interesting to me.

No mention of a gun being chambered as we have heard in rumors. Very interested in the rest of today’s testimony.

JMO

 

[ClearAhead]

ummm no, but it is a handgun, which would be allowed to be carried while hunting and OP original question was if hunting was allowed in the area, and the answer is yes-

is allowed in the area, on private property- (and other places) with varying degrees of licensing and permitting and regulations around days, dates, times and bag limits -

I don’t think the S & W is a small game weapon (or at least not a practical normative one-)

I was speaking to hunting in the area and the right to carry handguns while hunting

Hunting may’ve been allowed elsewhere but it definitely wasn’t allowed on the Monon High Bridge Trail.

Sign - Hunting Prohibited (near the bottom)

High Bridge access changes, parking will no longer be allowed off of 300 North

An entrance to the Monon High Bridge Trail area in Carroll County has been barred to keep the public out, and people will now have to walk twice as far

www.newsbug.info

 

[Kudzuu]

It is confusing when P changes words about the video. Bunner says screen shots then McL asks if BG can be seen in the pics (no) then asks if BG can be seen in the following photos (yes).

I'm assuming screenshots are the same as photos and pics.

This confusion, for me, might be due to the reported taking notes but using precise nouns or phrases is important. Eg, the poster above who called out the PT not coaching witness to not use "I don't know.". But to say it isn't my job or not in the scope of my duties etc . ANYTHING but I don't know

Moo.

 

[Deleted member 296739]

If this was some type of shooting range you might have something but I do not believe it is. If they positively tie it to Richard Allen’s gun then case closed. Just my opinion

I think that the bullet introduced as evidence is likely tied to RA’s- I think the collection of the evidence and timeline of events perhaps leaves room to introduce doubt as to the fact that the bullet from the crime scene is actually the same bullet introduced into evidence-

do I personally think that they were switched somehow- no not likely- could a different chain of events and documentation have removed my doubt or not had questions come to mind in the first place- yes -
Moo

 

[gremlin444]

Were there dozens of other UNSPENT cartridges in the area of the crime scene? Or even any others? Or any bullets that were shot in that area? I don't think there were any collected or even mentioned.

I can't remember which witness yesterday was asked this question--but the answer was no, no bullets/casings/cartridges of any sort were found in the larger cordoned off area other than the one between the girls.

 

[Melted]

I think that the bullet introduced as evidence is likely tied to RA’s- I think the collection of the evidence and timeline of events perhaps leaves room to introduce doubt as to the fact that the bullet from the crime scene is actually the same bullet introduced into evidence-

do I personally think that they were switched somehow- no not likely- could a different chain of events and documentation have removed my doubt or not had questions come to mind in the first place- yes -
Moo

Even if they weren’t switched the testing on unfired bullets is basically junk science.

The unspent round is a big nothingburger imo

 

[Kudzuu]

And shotguns and rifles are used in the woods. In general...Not handguns

Unless you are killing a snake you just stepped on or another critter up close. But I agree long guns are used for hunting larger game.

 

[Deleted member 296739]

Hunting may’ve been allowed elsewhere but it definitely wasn’t allowed on the Monon High Bridge Trail.

Sign - Hunting Prohibited (near the bottom)

High Bridge access changes, parking will no longer be allowed off of 300 North

An entrance to the Monon High Bridge Trail area in Carroll County has been barred to keep the public out, and people will now have to walk twice as far

www.newsbug.info

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Maybe I’m mixing up my cases- weren’t they found on private property?

 

[arielilane]

@KylaBRussell

Also of note, there’s been some back-and-forth between people in the courtroom as to whether a man could be seen from afar in the video. The video was slowed down and screenshotted. In a few of those screenshots, testimony said you can see a man in the distance.

2:36 PM · Oct 22, 2024

 

[Melted]

Unless you are killing a snake you just stepped on or another critter up close. But I agree long guns are used for hunting larger game.

.40 caliber hand guns are used often times for hog hunting

 

[JAY CLUCK]

Hunting may’ve been allowed elsewhere but it definitely wasn’t allowed on the Monon High Bridge Trail.

Sign - Hunting Prohibited (near the bottom)

High Bridge access changes, parking will no longer be allowed off of 300 North

An entrance to the Monon High Bridge Trail area in Carroll County has been barred to keep the public out, and people will now have to walk twice as far

www.newsbug.info

View attachment 539722

Huh? The crime scene was on private property.

Not that it matters at this point but these little details get frustrating.

 

[Colinnew]

I think that the bullet introduced as evidence is likely tied to RA’s- I think the collection of the evidence and timeline of events perhaps leaves room to introduce doubt as to the fact that the bullet from the crime scene is actually the same bullet introduced into evidence-

do I personally think that they were switched somehow- no not likely- could a different chain of events and documentation have removed my doubt or not had questions come to mind in the first place- yes -
Moo

Every single piece of evidence could be an issue theoretically.

Just my opinion

 

[Colinnew]

.40 caliber hand guns are used often times for hog hunting

No feral hogs in Indiana that I’m aware of. Just my opinion

 

[Melted]

@KylaBRussell

Also of note, there’s been some back-and-forth between people in the courtroom as to whether a man could be seen from afar in the video. The video was slowed down and screenshotted. In a few of those screenshots, testimony said you can see a man in the distance.

2:36 PM · Oct 22, 2024

I’m confused, are there two different videos?

Where is the video that the picture of BG came from?

 

[Deleted member 296739]

Unless you are killing a snake you just stepped on or another critter up close. But I agree long guns are used for hunting larger game.

Agreed-and handguns are often carried for a variety of reasons while hunting or otherwise- moo

 

[Colinnew]

.40 caliber hand guns are used often times for hog hunting

A 40 S & W would be a poor choice for hogs I’m willing to bet very few use them for that.

Just my opinion

 

[arielilane]

#Delphi day 4/session 1 notes per our
@MaxLewisTV
:• CSI took swabs from the girls & where there appeared to be blood around the scene.• Sex assault kits were completed by forensic pathologist • There was an additional trace fiber found on Abby's upper left arm…


Pt. 2: • Abby was wearing Libby's black sweatshirt and blue jeans• Defense asked if there was any connection of the swabbed material to Allen (i.e. DNA) and the investigator said he was not aware of any…


Pt. 3: (CSI is Brian Olehy with ISP)•Defense asked about placement of sticks, Olehy said he thought it was an effort to conceal, but didn’t think it was meant to send a message or communicate anything•Defense asked if one stick had a man made cut, Olehy said not that he saw.


Pt.4:•Investigator said no testing on sticks•Defense asked if any smaller shoe impressions (from a girl) were found, investigator said “no.”•Investigator said they are unable to give an exact time of death, saying time of death is imprecise science.



Pt.5: (Bullet notes)•State objected to defense calling it the "magic bullet" and Judge Gull sustained saying that was improper•No photos taken of ground after bullet was removed•Investigator said they found no defensive wounds on Libby.

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