Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #201

[Vaderman]

No feral hogs in Indiana that I’m aware of. Just my opinion

Real quick Google search confirms.

 

[MassGuy]

Prosecution plays video of 'Bridge Guy' following Abby and Libby​

The prosecution played for jurors a portion of the infamous "Bridge Guy" video that was extracted from Libby's phone.

The 25-second clip showed Abby walking toward the end of the Monon High Bridge, while Libby, who crossed ahead of her, was filming. Walking behind Abby in the background is the man who became known as the "Bridge Guy," dressed in a blue coat and blue jeans.

Tuesday's showing was the first time prosecutors revealed a portion of the video that shows the man ― who they alleged is Allen ― following the girls. Law enforcement previously released a zoomed-in clip from the video that did not show Abby.

Delphi trial witness testifies seeing 'Bridge Guy' on trail: 'I remember I waved to him'

Crime scene investigators took the stand in the case against Richard M. Allen in Delphi.

www.indystar.com

 

[MiniMoo]

I think that the bullet is important- very important- it was found at a brutal crime scene-

The bullet introduced as evidence, is consistent with a bullet that has been cycled through the accused weapon- that is also very important

The questions around when and how the bullet was collected, was retained, was tested (for markings), and was compared to a bullet cycling through the accused weapon are the places that I personally as a juror would have had questions- not being anything but a novice on IN law, chain of custody of evidence, and or the art and science of bullet markings I would want to know more details- which many people have graciously helped me personally understand-

Asking if hunting is allowed in the area is a good question and thinking about how else a bullet might have ended up where it was is also valid- I don’t think that means people lack critical thinking skills, wear tin hats, or eat conspiracy theories for breakfast

In the southeast where guns are very common and people getting framed isn’t in the ancient past, asking questions about the bullet, chain of custody, testing and timelines all seem logical in any given context … all my own opinions

It is important to flesh things out and ask pertinent questions sometimes so as to form a clearer understanding of a situation rather than to automatically jump to conclusions.

I am curious about a number of things as well, like yourself, and am hoping this trial will provide more answers rather than unanswered questions.

We are all after the truth so you are not alone there!

JMO MOO JMT

 

[Deleted member 296739]

Real quick Google search confirms.

It doesn’t actually matter- but wild hogs have been in southern Indiana counties since late 90’s

 

[Dhighsmith]

Lol no that is not true.

Just my opinion

I’m interested in hearing from the expert on possibilities.

 

[AugustWest]

No feral hogs in Indiana that I’m aware of. Just my opinion

Not that it matters, but because I was curious:

Wild hogs—also called wild pigs, wild boar, or feral swine—are an invasive species in Indiana.

Feral / Wild Hog

Feral / Wild Hog in Indiana, including food habits, family life, habitat and population by Indiana Department of Natural Resources Division of Fish & Wildlife

www.in.gov

 

[MiniMoo]

“there’s no path here, we got to go down here” is very interesting to me.

No mention of a gun being chambered as we have heard in rumors. Very interested in the rest of today’s testimony.

JMO

I'm more interested in the part more or less about whether or not they can see BG in that video or not.

LIke what is that supposed to mean?!

JMO JMT

 

[ClearAhead]

But there are other methods , part of standard protocol, which can also prove it is the same bullet. We will hear that when COC staff testifies.

When the forensics team is collecting the evidence, they have a lot of things to track. Not just the bullet. They are responsible for a tremendous amount of things to do and they are not going to take EXTRA, NON PROTOCOL steps while in the process of doing their job.

The person who collected the bullet was not looking for marks upon th bullet so would not be focused upon that aspect. Those marks were discovered AT THE LAB. So the man at the crime scene had no idea he should take extra pictures of something he knew nothing about and couldn't even see. He is just trying not to ruin and potential DNA or fingerprint evidence. IMO

I can guess where this is going. Had the CSI team taken photos of the bullet being removed from the ground, then another of the empty ground and yet another of it getting sealed in the evidence bag… but upon someone signing it out to turn it over to the lab WHAT if was switched there?

Does anyone even know, are these markings visible enough to be captured in a photo or has the D got everyone up in arms about microscopic markings not even visible to the naked eye? I’ve learned long ago if one is going to pick sides, it’s wise to understand the details.

Only if the markings on the bullet were analyzed immediately at the crime scene by some sort of mobile lab could it ever be guaranteed the same recovered bullet was later matched to RA’s gun. The onus ought be on the D to prove how and when a bullet swap occurred if that’s what they think, and (as per several witnesses) it’s not our job.

JMO

 

[steeltowngirl]

And there in lies the problem.

You can’t convict someone based on what some witnesses recall they may have been wearing (which none of them even agreed upon, there were differing reports of what BG was wearing) this is where reasonable doubt comes in.

JMO

60+ confessions by Richard Allen may go a long way towards clearing up any reasonable doubt.

jmo

 

[MassGuy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1848803198167101697

 

[Colinnew]

Not that it matters, but because I was curious:

Feral / Wild Hog

Feral / Wild Hog in Indiana, including food habits, family life, habitat and population by Indiana Department of Natural Resources Division of Fish & Wildlife

www.in.gov

That doesn’t sound correct. Might want to check your source. Here is what I found.

The Indiana state director for Wildlife Services at USDA says there has not been a confirmed sighting of a wild pig in the state for more than two years.

The Indiana DNR says there is no established population of wild hogs in Indiana.

I’ve never seen one

Just my opinion

 

[Justice101]

Every single piece of evidence could be an issue theoretically.

Just my opinion

Yes, "preponderance of the evidence.. beyond a reasonable doubt"

 

[katydid23]

Why did the suspect drag Libby 7-8 feet across the crime scene when she was dying, bleeding out, nearly decapitated? Abby had her neck cut and she died on the spot, not so with Libby. Why was she dragged, bleeding on trees and leaves? What was the suspect thinking?

Maybe he wanted them closer together so he could throw branches on them both,in one smaller area?

 

[AugustWest]

That doesn’t sound correct. Might want to check your source. Here is what I found.

The Indiana state director for Wildlife Services at USDA says there has not been a confirmed sighting of a wild pig in the state for more than two years.

The Indiana DNR says there is no established population of wild hogs in Indiana.

I’ve never seen one

Just my opinion

My source is the Indiana government.

 

[Kudzuu]

.40 caliber hand guns are used often times for hog hunting

My family owned a slaughter house. They used .38 revolver to kill hogs up close.

Hunting those feral pigs tearing up woods in the past couple of decades my nephew used an AR 15. I can't remember what Paul Murdaugh used but I think it was a comparable high powered rifle.

I'm not expert on hog hunting but I'd want to make sure I could stop a full grown hog with one shot.
I don't know the law in IN but where I am I'd be packing if I were out in the woods. And yes at 14 years old I could make a beer can dance with a 44 magnum. My brothers taught me well!
In fact, when I moved to teach in IN I was sent with said 44 for protection.

Sorry a bit of topic....but if Abby and Libby had protection. Never thought about that until now . The world is so different now.

 

[Colinnew]

My source is the Indiana government.

Mine is the USDA and the Indiana Department of Natural Resources.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

I don’t think the difficult part of this case for the prosecution will be proving that BG = Killer.

I think it will be proving BG = RA

Especially given that no one positively identified BG as RA and the differing witness descriptions of who they saw.

JMO

I would argue that RA himself proved he is BG by saying he was on the bridge minutes before the girls arrived at the bridge and dressed identical to BG.
There is a witness that saw a man dressed like BG standing exactly where RA said he was standing. The time she was at the bridge is confirmed by cell phone and security video information.
LE had that witness’ statement for a long time, and RA, unaware of the witness, finally placed himself as the last piece of the puzzle that LE had been trying to complete, when he said he was on the bridge.
Nothing has been found or presented, by anyone, that leads this investigation away from RA since the day of his arrest.
RA=BG=killer.

 

[steeltowngirl]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1848803198167101697

I grabbed a screenshot of the drawing @MassGuy

*Noting this is a DRAWING made by the reporter of one of the confessions, as seen in media exhibits.

 

[JAY CLUCK]

60+ confessions by Richard Allen may go a long way towards clearing up any reasonable doubt.

jmo

I’m really looking forward to seeing if these are coherent and corroborating confessions or haldol fueled gibberish.

Maybe he wanted them closer together so he could throw branches on them with,in one smaller area?

I think the earlier “anxiety” poster is correct. He wanted to rewind a bit, clean it up. Hence redress who he could. The sticks are shame.

 

[Colinnew]

My family owned a slaughter house. They used .38 revolver to kill hogs up close.

Hunting those feral pigs tearing up woods in the past couple of decades my nephew used an AR 15. I can't remember what Paul Murdaugh used but I think it was a comparable high powered rifle.

I'm not expert on hog hunting but I'd want to make sure I could stop a full grown hog with one shot.
I don't know the law in IN but where I am I'd be packing if I were out in the woods. And yes at 14 years old I could make a beer can dance with a 44 magnum. My brothers taught me well!
In fact, when I moved to teach in IN I was sent with said 44 for protection.

Sorry a bit of topic....but if Abby and Libby had protection. Never thought about that until now . The world is so different now.

The 44 mag lever gun is a popular Indiana gun for sure. The 40 S & W is a personal defense handgun round.

No hogs in that area of Indiana that I’m aware of.

Just my opinion