Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #202

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Updated: Oct 23, 2024 / 08:07 PM EST
 
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Everything about these murders continues to perplex the heck out of me.

jmo
 
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Cecil noted he’d looked at suspect Richard Allen’s devices but found nothing to tie him to Abby and Libby, other than his searches for information about the missing girls.

 
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Asking people to believe the phone powered itself off at 10:30 pm and then powered itself back on at 4:30 am with no human interference is similar to asking people to toss logic out of the window and believe in a fairy tale.


MOO
It happened in the Jennifer Farber Dulos case as well.
 
  • #727
These guys tend to be obsessive about that sort of thing, so that’s what I’m wondering about.
I could describe myself as obsessive about missing and murdered cases that I have never been near - many I wasn’t even alive when they happened and many not even in my country. I wonder, did he have a general interest in crimes? Was he a true crime kinda guy like so many of us? Or was it something more nefarious?? I wonder if we will hear more soon?
 
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These threads are moving so fast. So many interesting post. so hard to keep up. Following LawyerLee to get recap of the day.
 
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I will admit my searches would make me like like a cold blooded depraved murderer being a true crime aficionado. Hope no one ever looks!:eek:
I get ya!!
Same here.
If the FBI came and took my electronics, and searched my Google searches and online websites, they would think I should be either in prison or in a hospital.
 
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I will admit my searches would make me like like a cold blooded depraved murderer being a true crime aficionado. Hope no one ever looks!:eek:

Yeah I'd be screwed!
 
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DELPHI DAY 5 QUICK MORNING NOTES
@FOX59

Pathologist Roland Kohr currently on the stand

He did the autopsies and said both died from deep slash wounds across their throats

No evidence of sexual trauma to Abby (that question was not asked of Libby yet when we got our notes, but pathologist could not testify as to whether or not she was touched sexually

Before the pathologist, Sarah Carbaugh testified

She’s been the strongest witness of Bridge Guy so far

She says she saw BG down CR 300N by the cemetery at about 4pm in the afternoon as she was driving past
Says he was hunched over and plodding with hands in pocket and head down… there was no eye contact
Says BG was muddy and bloody on his clothes
Says blood was on lower legs, feet and ankles
Says rest of him was muddy as if he had fallen down a hill or in a muddy creek

At no point does she say or was she asked if Bridge Guy was Richard Allen in her opinion

She had more difficulty on cross, becoming combative with defense attorneys

Defense asked why she didn’t mention blood in her past statements to law enforcement. She said she did but they did not write it down

She also says it was in her videotaped testimony but that videotape was lost when the DVR was recorded over


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Cecil noted he’d looked at suspect Richard Allen’s devices but found nothing to tie him to Abby and Libby, other than his searches for information about the missing girls.


Surely everybody in the town would have searched about this case at one time or another.
 
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How deep are these wounds? Did we get specific measurements?

Did they hit bone?
 
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@KylaBRussell

#UPDATE: When asked if any of Richard Allen’s 23 electronic devices seized in Nov. 2022 connected him to Abby and Libby, a prosecution’s witness said no.Chris Cecil is the Commander of the Indiana Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force. He said nothing linked Allen, other than having searched info about the case. The prosecution pointed out that Allen had a different phone in 2017 not included in the seize.



Last edited7:47 PM · Oct 23, 2024

 
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#UPDATE: Updates from the afternoon of day 5 in the #Delphi double murder trial.

- The state called Christopher Cecil, commander of the Indiana Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force. He’s spearheaded two reports on the activity of Libby German’s cell phone.
- The phone was being used by both girls. We saw a breakdown of all the apps that not only had Libby’s logins, but Abby’s too.
- The phone was last unlocked around 2:07 p.m. and then the Bridge Guy video is taken at 2:13 p.m. At 2:14 p.m., someone tries to unlock the phone with their fingerprint but is unsuccessful.
- 2:32 p.m. is the last known movement of the phone.
- The phone stayed on and received messages late into the night, at least until about 10:30 p.m.
- Cecil says there’s no indication the phone was turned off but that it didn’t receive notifications again until 4:33 a.m. on Feb. 14. That’s when about 20 SMS messages came through.
- When asked why there’s a gap, Cecil said he didn’t know.



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Is anyone surprised?


Kit Hanley
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Pt.2: We also learned they seized 23 devices from Richard Allen. They reviewed all of them & there was nothing on them that connected him to Abby, Libby, or their murders.However, the phone he had in 2017 was not part of those devices and they could not locate that phone.
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My opinion is that even if they had gotten the 2017 phone he would have already swapped out/destroyed the SIM card from that phone and any incriminating evidence would have been gone.
 
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So it is your belief that those are the only two options for why a phone would power off at 10:30 pm and power back on at 4:30 am?
It would be very apparent via the knowledgeC database if the phone was purposefully turned off.

JMO
 
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I have never heard of a victim's phone being handed back to a family days after an unsolved murder.
Maybe LE does things differently in a small town. IMO
 
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