Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #202

[IHAVENOCLUE]

No witness has positively ID'd him thus far so I wouldn't hold my breath for an eyewitness account at the funerals.

Thanks for the reply...

Thought pics from family/friends/city folks reviewed years later may have found him in the crowd at the funeral...

Just wondering...

 

[TristanP]

You have some good points.
What is bothering me is at approximately 2:15 they went down the hill. Next the killer made his move to ”have his way” but was interrupted. Were they in the process of undressing? Then they are taken across the creek at a place you can wade across. Libby loses a shoe and her shirt. The killer takes them to a more secluded place. At 2:32 (I think) the phone stops moving.

Is it then he "has his way"? The phone was found under Abby. Did he kill her then turn to Libby? I don't know.

BUT the witness sees a bloody muddy man dressed like BG at 3:57 almost at the CPS building.

What is puzzling me is there is almost an hour and a half unaccounted for.

Was Libby killed much later? That might explain the phone not moving. Or is it more diabolical?

An hour take out the walk from the crime scene to his car is a very long time at the crime scene where this predator felt safe to stay.

Makes my skin crawl.

Interesting that there’s an hour and a half unaccounted for, but the state’s theory is that he was interrupted and did not follow through with his intent to SA them.

 

[photographer4]

I can’t say for sure but I think this is a typo. I heard the same number but minus a digit.

Gotta be a typo for sure!! This is one reason I wish we had audio recording at minimum avail to us! Relying on the media is problematic at times though I acknowledge they’re doing their best! Mooo

 

[photographer4]

OK, this was testified to in Court yesterday per Lawyer Lee (10/22/24 trial recap), and faster reference than my looking for MSM link.

Lee cites the number of times LG's phone was extracted as explained by the witness, and how photo of the funeral was on the cameral roll. Please see YT min mark beginning about 41:30 - 44:08.

Thanks for the link — I am now left to wonder - did the photo get TaKEN by LG’s phone at the funeral? Or did some other device connected to her iCloud take it and it got uploaded to her device as a result somehow?? I am so perplexed. Will try to watch the mins you so kindly marked!!

 

[m00c0w]

And Abby was wearing Libby's bra, on top of her own. This is insanity.

Can you link to a reference to this? I was under the impression that both bras belonged to Abby.

 

[MassGuy]

<modsnip> He observed no blunt force trauma or defensive wounds. Kohr testified that he saw a faint linear mark—a reddish mark near the bottom of her lip. He told the court it could’ve been from duct tape or cloth but added that there was no glue/tape residue and provided no definitive answer as to what may have caused the mark.

Abby suffered a single mortal wound to the left side of her neck that hit the jugular vein. He estimated she bled out in five to ten minutes and said death was not instantaneous. He later said she would “definitely” have had the chance to react to her injuries.

While Abby suffered the single wound, Libby had at least three injuries to the right side of her neck. It could have been as many as five, Kohr said, because it appeared the knife made a second pass at some of the wounds. She was hit in the carotid arteries, which would have accelerated her death.

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MORE AT LINK…

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delphi-murders-combative-testimony-from-another-bridge-guy-witness/

 

[Cyber sleuth]

https://murdersheetpodcast.com/

Per SC testimony she spotted RA/BG was walking west FACING HER. This was after she passed the Mears Trailhead.
So he was spotted between Mears trailhead and the crime scene. IMO from this testimony placing him very close to the crime scene right after the murder of the victims.
Walking within plain sight of drivers on the road, muddy and bloody.”Looking sketchy” “hunched over”
He must’ve been in some sort of state after the crime IMO
Wonder how close he got to crossing paths with the families of the victims?
All my speculation

 

[snooptroop88]

Excerpt of text of Richard Allen interview with LE from 2022:

RICHARD ALLEN: "...It’s over. I was perfectly fine. I was cooperating. I was going to give you my phone and then, you know, when you started reading all these documents … I feel like you guys think I done this. So, I’m done. You do what you need to do. It’s your job. I understand that, but you better (expletive) leave my reputation out of it. So, you do what you need to do, and then, like I said, when you do find this guy, I’ll expect the apology.’

TODAY/Fox59: "It was noted that Allen had a different phone in 2017, however, that investigators never found. He no longer had that phone when police came calling in 2022 after finding an old report placed Allen on the trails on Feb. 13, 2017, leading police to decide to take a closer look into the man."

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delphi-murders-phone-pings-cast-doubt-on-defenses-alternate-site-killing-theory/

Interesting! 23 devices seized, but no phone from that particular day-- a day RA himself viewed as so important that he evidently contacted LE to note his presence there.

 

[TristanP]

Q: if the device was connected to the cloud that took a photo of the funeral (or anything after the kids were murdered and the police had found the phone) - how would it get from the cloud onto the device found under the body of AW?

I understand that I can save things on my cell and they’ll appear in the cloud. Would they also magically appear on my cell phone if I had taken a photo with my iPad?

Anyone happen to know?

Yes, if both are set to sync with the cloud.

 

[MassGuy]

A lot of reporters have been referencing his reporting:

Delphi murder trial Day 5: Autopsy photos, another ‘Bridge Guy’ witness

Forensic pathologist rethinks style of weapon used to kill Abby, Libby. Resident tells about seeing ‘Bridge Guy,’ gets into it with defense over details. New info from Libby’s phone. Return of Odin?

www.basedinlafayette.com

PHOTOS AND RESULTS FROM THE AUTOPSY: As Dr. Roland Kohr, a former Vigo County coroner who led the autopsies on Feb. 15, 2017, detailed graphic photos of the fatal wounds on the girls’ necks on large-screen TV set up in Carroll Circuit Court, he pointed to a series of patterned markings left in one of Libby’s wounds.

Kohr said that the more he looked at it, as the trial against 52-year-old Delphi man Richard Allen approach, the less he was convinced a weapon with a serrated edge was used, “but something related to the blade or handle.” Kohr said it wasn’t a classic serrated, but serrated-like. Kohr said his evolving thoughts were inspired in his own garage workshop, saying one candidate might be a box cutter designed with parallel lines to make a gripping surface for the thumb.

That was a surprise to Allen’s defense team. During opening arguments last week, Andrew Baldwin had told jurors that the killer used two blades in the murder – one serrated, the other not – while the state would contend Allen used a box cutter.

Brad Rozzi, another of Allen’s attorneys, asked Kohr whether he had given a deposition to the defense team in February 2024 agreeing with an initial report about wounds coming from serrated and non-serrated blades. Kohr said he had. Rozzi asked him whether he planned to update his report.

“Do you think it would have been good to contact the defense … that you were going to come in here and change your mind?” Rozzi asked.

During his testimony, Kohr said Abby’s carotid arteries were partially cut on the left side of her neck. He said she died of that single wound.

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MORE AT LINK…

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Do we even know if he was one of the searchers that night or the next morning? Not an opinion, a question.

Good question!

JMO

 

[TristanP]

This guy saves them all too, except the one that could help exonerate him. If it weren’t for bad luck, Richard Allen would have none at all.

It doesn’t matter, because they have the tower dump info, right? They know what phones were pinging which towers and when?

 

[MassGuy]

Excerpt of text of Richard Allen interview with LE from 2022:

RICHARD ALLEN: "...It’s over. I was perfectly fine. I was cooperating. I was going to give you my phone and then, you know, when you started reading all these documents … I feel like you guys think I done this. So, I’m done. You do what you need to do. It’s your job. I understand that, but you better (expletive) leave my reputation out of it. So, you do what you need to do, and then, like I said, when you do find this guy, I’ll expect the apology.’

TODAY/Fox59: "It was noted that Allen had a different phone in 2017, however, that investigators never found. He no longer had that phone when police came calling in 2022 after finding an old report placed Allen on the trails on Feb. 13, 2017, leading police to decide to take a closer look into the man."

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delphi-murders-phone-pings-cast-doubt-on-defenses-alternate-site-killing-theory/

Interesting! 23 devices seized, but no phone from that particular day-- a day RA himself viewed as so important that he evidently phoned in to LE to note his presence there.

Do you have a link to this interview? I've never read it.

 

[MassGuy]

It doesn’t matter, because they have the tower dump info, right? They know what phones were pinging which towers and when?

It's no substitute for the device itself, which may contain more specific location data, internet searches, etc.

 

[snooptroop88]

Do you have a link to this interview? I've never read it.

Defense files to suppress comments made by Richard Allen on the day of his arrest - Carroll County Comet

Richard Allen’s attorneys say law enforcement failed to read him his Miranda rights on Oct. 26, 2022, during an interrogation at the Indiana State Police Lafayette Post – specifically, any remarks made by Allen during an interrogation by Jerry Holeman. Allen has been charged with two counts of...

www.carrollcountycomet.com

 

[MiniMoo]

https://murdersheetpodcast.com/

Per SC testimony she spotted RA/BG was walking west FACING HER. This was after she passed the Mears Trailhead.
So he was spotted between Mears trailhead and the crime scene. IMO from this testimony placing him very close to the crime scene right after the murder of the victims.
Walking within plain sight of drivers on the road, muddy and bloody.”Looking sketchy” “hunched over”
He must’ve been in some sort of state after the crime IMO
Wonder how close he got to crossing paths with the families of the victims?
All my speculation

So, was the muddy bloody man walking in the direction of the CPS building?

You know Hoosiers - the place that had a camera.

I'm wondering if he would have walked past that place in view of it.

JMO MOO JMT

 

[MassGuy]

They sure are asking a lot of questions. Love it.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1849277450724745261

 

[photographer4]

It's mentioned here a few times that there are apparently two crime scenes - one on each side of the creek. Why? It's not mentioned by prosecutors. Furthermore, delay in crossing the creek makes it more likely someone will be on the bridge when they do cross.

The shoe might have been lost crossing the creek, and the shirt might have been tossed into the creek after the murders because it was handled by the murderer.

Abby is victim 1 in the probable cause affidavit, probably because she was killed first. Libby is victim 2. They were killed at the same time (we'll wait for medical examiner testimony).

Wasn't family picking up Libby and Abby at 3:30? They might have been hollering for them at the bridge, leading the accused to quickly cut their throats and run up the ravine to the road covered in blood and mud. Maybe he used Libby's t-shirt to wipe blood off his face and hands before throwing it into the water.

Then when did he have time to drag a body or lay sticks on etc if he was interrupted or heard searchers calling? Upthread, I quoted Susan Hendricks - author Down The Hill”. She said DG was there by 3. Got out of his car to search at 3:10. I don’t wanna type it all out again but it’s up thread here: Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #202

 

[photographer4]

Thanks for the link — I am now left to wonder - did the photo get TaKEN by LG’s phone at the funeral? Or did some other device connected to her iCloud take it and it got uploaded to her device as a result somehow?? I am so perplexed. Will try to watch the mins you so kindly marked!!

I did review the few mins provided by the person I replied to. Ty! Lawyer Lee says the issue of a photo from Lg’s funeral being on the phone was brought up in cross and was very quick. I wonder if we may learn more about this? I just can’t imagine Le would hand back crime scene evidence to the family!!?

 

[photographer4]

Yes, if both are set to sync with the cloud.

Ok so another question then - the photo of AW on the bridge that they didn’t find on her phone - wouldn’t that also have ended up on the cloud? Or how about the selfies in the car in route? Not moo - genuine questions. Ty.