Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #202

[Deleted member 39678]

Here is the end of the bridge.

N 625 W intersects with it (below it, down the hill) at the very end.

When I hear "Below the bridge" it means underneath it. Not south of it's location. JMO.

 

[wastelands_]

I'm Australian and have lived rurally here. This is exactly the kind of place many people would explore and visit. I would have been scared to do it but many, especially youth, would love to visit it.

Ah! Fellow Australian!
Having bounced between inner city and rural north QLD for the last five years or so (and as a teen at the time), it’s definitely something bored teenagers would do

 

[Deleted member 296739]

That audio was unintelligible until it was cleaned up. How can one possibly tell that it didn't come from BG? Hypothetically, what are you suggesting exactly?

I’m not OP but after hearing about the video and audio needing a lot of enhancement to make it understandable- I suppose that if there was a second person below the bridge near where the girls were, then “Guys” and “down the hill” might have come from someone other than bridge guy- if the girls were meeting someone at the end of the trail, down the hill- I don’t believe that to be true personally- but someone as close or closer to the girls as BG was would be at least as loud on the recording- hypothetically I suppose

I don’t actually think that’s what happened at all- I was disappointed to the video wasn’t more definitive and clear - really would like to see and hear it myself- moo

 

[wastelands_]

I always wondered if there was more on the recording of BG talking. Given that one of the officers (I believe Carter? Could be wrong), said “I heard the voice of the devil in that video.”
Maybe not, then? Or maybe there was and they just couldn’t clear it up enough to be usable?


Those poor, poor angels. How frightened must have Abby been to have let her fear of the bridge be pushed aside to simply get away from this guy? Makes you wonder if they’d interacted before he pulled the gun, enough so to make them uncomfortable?

 

[wastelands_]

I’m not OP but after hearing about the video and audio needing a lot of enhancement to make it understandable- I suppose that if there was a second person below the bridge near where the girls were, then “Guys” and “down the hill” might have come from someone other than bridge guy- if the girls were meeting someone at the end of the trail, down the hill- I don’t believe that to be true personally- but someone as close or closer to the girls as BG was would be at least as loud on the recording- hypothetically I suppose

I don’t actually think that’s what happened at all- I was disappointed to the video wasn’t more definitive and clear - really would like to see and hear it myself- moo

If they release anything to the public at all, I hope it’s the video

 

[MassGuy]

If they release anything to the public at all, I hope it’s the video

After trial (assuming there's a verdict), they won't release graphic crime scene photos or anything, but I don't see why they wouldn't release that video.

 

[Boxer]

The way I see it is
"Guys -rack- down the hill."

 

[katydid23]

Likewise. She would be able to tell taller or shorter than her, much more reliable than asking a witness, “what height was that guy over there”

I don't think that walking past someone on a trail automatically means you can tell if they are 3 inches taller or shorter than you. He may have had boots on and been closer to her height, especially with the fuzzy hat too.

I don't think 16 yr olds would be especially good at making that height distinction , just in passing. Maybe if it was a cute boy she was interested in, but just a man walking by randomly, why would she look at him hard enough to know if he was 3 inches shorter or 3 inches taller? 3 inches is not that big of a difference if someone is just walking past you. IMO

 

[MassGuy]

I don't think that walking past someone on a trail automatically means you can tell if they are 3 inches taller or shorter than you. He may have had boots on and been closer to her height, especially with the fuzzy hat too.

I don't think 16 yr olds would be especially good at making that height distinction , just in passing. Maybe if it was a cute boy she was interested in, but just a man walking by randomly, why would she look at him hard enough to know if he was 3 inches shorter or 3 inches taller? 3 inches is not that big of a difference if someone is just walking past you. IMO

We also don’t know when they were interviewed (I don’t think). I mentioned an experiment my college professor did earlier, where students had massive disagreement over the appearance of a man we had seen 15 minutes before.

Try days…

 

[Arkay]

The way I see it is
"Guys -rack- down the hill."

How startling….that may indeed be the momentary pause between “guys” and “down.”

Those terrified children. It’s unbearable.

I truly honor their families for their courage in attending trial every day.

IMO

 

[Deleted member 296739]

I don't think that walking past someone on a trail automatically means you can tell if they are 3 inches taller or shorter than you. He may have had boots on and been closer to her height, especially with the fuzzy hat too.

I don't think 16 yr olds would be especially good at making that height distinction , just in passing. Maybe if it was a cute boy she was interested in, but just a man walking by randomly, why would she look at him hard enough to know if he was 3 inches shorter or 3 inches taller? 3 inches is not that big of a difference if someone is just walking past you. IMO

But a 5’4” man is very short and out of the ordinary- and would be an identifying feature- I’m not saying I’d get someone’s height exactly- but I’d like to think I’d notice between Danny DeVito, average/typical, and Arnold Schwarzenegger- at a distance with no one around it would be harder but if I passed nearby someone- I’d know if I had to look up or down to see them compared to my height- moo

(And yes I know that DeVito is like 4’10” which is shorter than RA - I’m not actually talking about specific heights- but that very short men stand out)

 

[snooptroop88]

I don't think that walking past someone on a trail automatically means you can tell if they are 3 inches taller or shorter than you. He may have had boots on and been closer to her height, especially with the fuzzy hat too.

I don't think 16 yr olds would be especially good at making that height distinction , just in passing. Maybe if it was a cute boy she was interested in, but just a man walking by randomly, why would she look at him hard enough to know if he was 3 inches shorter or 3 inches taller? 3 inches is not that big of a difference if someone is just walking past you. IMO

The same amount of wiggle room could apply to the time as well. Voorhies said in testimony she saw BG at 2:15, but the PCA is evidently using the timestamps of photographs the group took, one of which was bench east of Freedom Bridge at 1:26 pm. In her testimony, Voorhies notes she's marking time in relation to when she had to be at a friend's house and when she had to be home. That's arguably not as precise as the timestamp of an image the group took at the bench east of Freedom Bridge.

It's actually a good thing, jmo, that there's not that amount of precision on the times given by these witnesses. These people didn't know other human beings were going to be murdered on the trails that day. They weren't checking their watches.

I'd be more concerned if they came back years later and attempted to change their timelines by hours, as is the case with RA.

 

[photographer4]

How is that a bombshell? To me it means they were trying to get away because he seemed scary.

I haven’t seen or heard the news today on this case and wanted to ask: have any official media outlets reported if the girls sounded scared or if they were just chatting as they strolled along? Pls don’t send links to social media content creators - I won’t bother with them. Asking about actual media reporting if it’s avail? Thanks all.

 

[Cyber sleuth]

I actually don't know what you're talking about. They were forced down the hill and underneath the bridge on the north side. There is water there. It is a creek. A creek the girls were forced to walk across. There is water on the South side also. Searchers searched the south side because they thought they fell off the bridge. So inturn they looked for them downstream.

It’s been a long week already but I am a little confused here.
My understanding is the girls were approached by RA on the south side of MHB and forced the girls down the hill on the south east side then across the creek and to the north side of Deer Creek onto RL’s property just south of the cemetery.

I just want to make sure I’m understanding you correctly. You think RA approached the girls on the north side of the bridge? Where they entered.
Maybe I need more coffee or rest.

 

[shonyakay]

We also don’t know when they were interviewed (I don’t think). I mentioned an experiment my college professor did earlier, where students had massive disagreement over the appearance of a man we had seen 15 minutes before.

Try days…

There is a document that lists Voohries interview as taking place on February 15, 2017.
I don't know if that was the first time she was talked to though.

 

[shonyakay]

It’s been a long week already but I am a little confused here.
My understanding is the girls were approached by RA on the south side of MHB and forced the girls down the hill on the south east side then across the creek and to the north side of Deer Creek onto RL’s property just south of the cemetery.

I just want to make sure I’m understanding you correctly. You think RA approached the girls on the north side of the bridge? Where they entered.
Maybe I need more coffee or rest.

You correct. Southside. All evidence shows that to be accurate.

They definitely weren't kidnapped at the beginning of the bridge.

 

[Warwick7]

It’s been a long week already but I am a little confused here.
My understanding is the girls were approached by RA on the south side of MHB and forced the girls down the hill on the south east side then across the creek and to the north side of Deer Creek onto RL’s property just south of the cemetery.

I just want to make sure I’m understanding you correctly. You think RA approached the girls on the north side of the bridge? Where they entered.
Maybe I need more coffee or rest.

He approached them at the end the bridge. He forced them down the steep embankment.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

You correct. Southside. All evidence shows that to be accurate.

They definitely weren't kidnapped at the beginning of the bridge.

So the beginning of the bridge in this case is considered to be the north side?

 

[shonyakay]

I’m not OP but after hearing about the video and audio needing a lot of enhancement to make it understandable- I suppose that if there was a second person below the bridge near where the girls were, then “Guys” and “down the hill” might have come from someone other than bridge guy- if the girls were meeting someone at the end of the trail, down the hill- I don’t believe that to be true personally- but someone as close or closer to the girls as BG was would be at least as loud on the recording- hypothetically I suppose

I don’t actually think that’s what happened at all- I was disappointed to the video wasn’t more definitive and clear - really would like to see and hear it myself- moo

Carter said in the 2019 second sketch Presser that the man talking was the man on the bridge with the girls' that day. He specifically said these are not two people.

 

[MassGuy]

There is a document that lists Voohries interview as taking place on February 15, 2017.
I don't know if that was the first time she was talked to though.

That makes sense. Bodies discovered on the 14th, plea for tips. The 15th would have almost certainly been the first interview.