Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #203

[MassGuy]

Sheriff Liggett takes the stand​

Carroll County Sheriff Tony Liggett took the stand shortly after 2 p.m. Liggett said he was a detective for the sheriff’s department when the girls went missing in 2017. He’s served as a law enforcement officer for 23 years.

Liggett said Kathy Shank brought him the lead sheet which made the police immediately want to speak with Allen.

When asked why the tip stuck out, Liggett said, “I wasn’t aware that anyone had seen the three girls.”

When asked why it was important to speak to Allen, Liggett said, “We believed it was bridge guy.”

Liggett repeated the claims made by Mullin of speaking to Allen in October 2022 and of Allen changing his timeline to say he was on the trails from noon to 1:30 p.m. Liggett also stated that Allen was “wishy-washy” about where he parked.

When Liggett was asked about the search of Allen’s home, he described finding the Sig Sauer .40 caliber pistol in a nightstand. He said a .40 caliber round was also found in a “keepsake box” on the dresser.

Also found in Allen’s home was a blue Carhartt jacket.

-When Liggett was asked why a note marked the original Richard Allen lead sheet as “cleared,” Liggett stated that “someone cleared it and it shouldn’t have been.”

Liggett also relented to the early parts of the investigation being “somewhat disorganized.”

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delphi-murders-misfiled-report-from-2017-put-allen-in-investigators-sights-in-2022/

 

[Yemelyan]

During cross-examination, Allen’s attorneys asked Liggett point-blank if any items sent to the lab, such as the blue Carhartt jacket taken from Allen’s home, were found to have DNA evidence linking Allen to the crime scene.

Liggett said, “no.”

The defense team also asked if any digital data connected Allen to the crime scene.

Liggett again said, “no.”

During further questioning, it was also revealed that some of the girls’ clothing was missing from the crime scene. This clothing still is missing to this day.

From: https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delp...17-put-allen-in-investigators-sights-in-2022/

 

[photographer4]

This is new for me!

If the LE released images or photos to the public of BG on February the 15th, 2017, and Richard Allen called that tip line or whatever regarding himself on February the 16th, 2017, it means he didn't approach anyone before the release of those BG images which I'm sure has been brought up in various places under speculation.

To me, that doesn't spell out the actions of someone that is guilty or trying to incriminate themselves at all. Makes no sense!

Hasn't it been speculated that he approached someone to say he was on the bridge and trail not knowing there was a video recording and that that was released after he placed himself there.

Can someone please clarify this for me?

Have I got the dates wrong.

JMO MOO JMT

I recall a lot of talk on this forum that RA may have called in while the kids were still missing even. I guess this settles that.

Testimony reveals some of what was found in Richard Allen's Delphi home

Richard Allen is accused of killing Abigail "Abby" Williams and Liberty "Libby" German, who went missing Feb. 13, 2017, and were found dead the next day.

www.indystar.com

Dulin also told Le to go get the sticks at the crime scene and said it wouldn’t be uncommon to find ammunition in the woods.

How Richard Allen Went from Cleared to Charged - Delphi Trial Day Six

DELPHI, Ind. -- Richard Allen, the man currently standing trial for the deaths of Delphi teenagers Abigail Williams and Liberty German, was interviewed by investigators within one week of the murders and originally labeled "cleared."

wibc.com

 

[MassGuy]

During cross-examination, Allen’s attorneys asked Liggett point-blank if any items sent to the lab, such as the blue Carhartt jacket taken from Allen’s home, were found to have DNA evidence linking Allen to the crime scene.

Liggett said, “no.”

The defense team also asked if any digital data connected Allen to the crime scene.

Liggett again said, “no.”

During further questioning, it was also revealed that some of the girls’ clothing was missing from the crime scene. This clothing still is missing to this day.

From: https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delp...17-put-allen-in-investigators-sights-in-2022/

I wish they took that house down to the studs.

 

[photographer4]

I wish they took that house down to the studs.

So the missing clothing is possibly a “trophy” from the scene that investigators spoke of before I guess? Mooo.

 

[BUF]

A few more snippets of Liggett's testimony:

Liggett tells the jury that he did research on Allen’s vehicles in 2022 and that he went to CVS and got photos of the car. Liggett says the car was “backed in” at the CVS and “backed in” at the CPS building.

Liggett tells the jury about finding Allen’s gun and ammunition and that he found another 40 caliber Winchester cartridge. Liggett said he also found more 40 caliber ammunition from a different brand.

Liggett tells the jury a blue Carhartt jacket was found.

Source: Delphi Murders trial: Day 6 live blog

Sounds like he usually backs his car in….to hide a license plate….or to make a quick getaway if needed?

 

[Inthedetails]

Sounds like he usually backs his car in….to hide a license plate….or to make a quick getaway if needed?

Or, just a habit that can link cars to him. Of course, he's not the only person in the world to back in when parking, but it's another drip in the bucket, imo.

jmopinion

 

[MiniMoo]

I recall a lot of talk on this forum that RA may have called in while the kids were still missing even. I guess this settles that.

Testimony reveals some of what was found in Richard Allen's Delphi home

Richard Allen is accused of killing Abigail "Abby" Williams and Liberty "Libby" German, who went missing Feb. 13, 2017, and were found dead the next day.

www.indystar.com

Dulin also told Le to go get the sticks at the crime scene and said it wouldn’t be uncommon to find ammunition in the woods.

How Richard Allen Went from Cleared to Charged - Delphi Trial Day Six

DELPHI, Ind. -- Richard Allen, the man currently standing trial for the deaths of Delphi teenagers Abigail Williams and Liberty German, was interviewed by investigators within one week of the murders and originally labeled "cleared."

wibc.com

I didn't know any of this either about Dullin.

Just to be clear and not to nitpick or anything.

But these are from proper verified sources, right?

JMO MOO JMT

 

[BexLuth0r]

When the interview resumed, Mullin showed him the “Bridge Guy” picture. Allen said if the photo was from one of the Delphi victims’ phones, “there’s no way” it could’ve been him

I find this interesting. By then it was widely known that the image came from Libby’s phone.

Also, it shouldn’t matter where that image is from. It’s you or it isn’t. There’s no way he hadn’t seen it before.

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delphi-murders-misfiled-report-from-2017-put-allen-in-investigators-sights-in-2022/

Especially if he had been googling the case as they said previously...

I'm curious, the tip DD filed, would he be the one to follow up or does he file the tip and then other investigators follow up? That might explain why he never thought of Richard Allen again. He did his job, never heard about it again so probably thought he was cleared.

 

[MassGuy]

So the missing clothing is possibly a “trophy” from the scene that investigators spoke of before I guess? Mooo.

I think It has to be. I can’t imagine it would be missed.

It may still be somewhere, or maybe he disposed of it at some point. That’s why the delay in realizing they had that interview is such a big deal.

 

[technicallymissing]

When the interview resumed, Mullin showed him the “Bridge Guy” picture. Allen said if the photo was from one of the Delphi victims’ phones, “there’s no way” it could’ve been him

I find this interesting. By then it was widely known that the image came from Libby’s phone.

Also, it shouldn’t matter where that image is from. It’s you or it isn’t. There’s no way he hadn’t seen it before.

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delphi-murders-misfiled-report-from-2017-put-allen-in-investigators-sights-in-2022/

I thought this too. “If the picture of this man happens to have been taken by a girl who was murdered shortly after taking it, then no, it definitely is not me.” Yeahhh okay.

 

[Trebor5591]

Does anyone know what day the details of the 60+ confessions will be introduced into evidence?

 

[Spartygirl]

They updated with the rest:

Baldwin said to Mullin, “You lied to this jury, before lunch you lied to this jury.” Mullin responded “Is there a question?” Baldwin handed Mullin a copy of the October 13, 2022 interview with Allen. Baldwin asked Mullin to point out exactly where Allen said he may have gone westbound on 300N to get to the trails on Feb. 13, 2017.

Mullin responds that Allen said he was travelling in a direction that seemed like it could have been westbound.

Baldwin asks Mullin if he asked Allen if he went to the trails in a different way. Baldwin says this is because “they are desperate for Rick to have been going west.”

Prosecutor Nick McLeland objects over and over, saying Baldwin is impeding the questions with his opinions.

Baldwin says “words matter on the stand, correct? Especially if those words impact the timeline.”

Baldwin asks Mullin, “for your theory to work, Richard Allen’s car had to be at the CPS lot between 1:30 p.m. and 4:30 p.m.?” Mullin says he wasn’t giving direct quotes from Allen.

The jury asked Mullin “Were you in an interview with Mr. Allen where he stated he didn’t remember which way he took to the trail?”

Mullin responded “yes.”

Great question by the jury !!

That's not lying.
RA said he can't remember which way he was traveling ( I don't believe that, but whatever)
He didn't say he was traveling opposite direction. He said he can't remember.

Mullin and detectives found video of his vehicle traveling towards the trails, RA, Himself, puts himself at the trails.

That should refresh RA's memory JMO

 

[MassGuy]

At 2:08 p.m. the state called Carroll County Sheriff Tony Liggett to the stand. Liggett tells the jury he was a detective in Feb. 2017.

Liggett tells the jury that when the tip came in from Kathy Shank’s lead, he wasn’t aware anyone had seen the witnesses on the trail, and that he thought that person could be bridge guy.

Liggett tells the jury about the process of altering the video on Libby’s phone. Liggett says the bridge guy video was “altered to be upright all the time.”

The prosecution shows the video to the jury again. Liggett describes what he hears in the video in the following way:

Abby: “Is he right here? Don’t leave me up here.”

Libby: “This is the path, that be a gun, there’s no path here.”

Bridge Guy: “Guys”

Girls: “Hi”

Bridge Guy: “Down the hill.”

Source: Delphi Murders trial: Day 6 live blog

They see him, they start to panic, then libby sees the gun, they try to flee, and he catches up with them as they’re figuring out how to get down.

 

[dkaras]

During cross-examination, Allen’s attorneys asked Liggett point-blank if any items sent to the lab, such as the blue Carhartt jacket taken from Allen’s home, were found to have DNA evidence linking Allen to the crime scene.

Liggett said, “no.”

The defense team also asked if any digital data connected Allen to the crime scene.

Liggett again said, “no.”

During further questioning, it was also revealed that some of the girls’ clothing was missing from the crime scene. This clothing still is missing to this day.

From: https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delp...17-put-allen-in-investigators-sights-in-2022/

Wow.

So no trophies at RA home apparently.

I admit that I have been expecting big evidence that we've never heard about. Maybe all the P has is already what we know...and so far that wouldn't be enough for me to convict. The confessions would have to be rock solid. What else is there, if the unspent round can be debunked?

 

[Inthedetails]

I didn't know any of this either about Dullin.

Just to be clear and not to nitpick or anything.

But these are from proper verified sources, right?

JMO MOO JMT

IndyStar is a daily newspaper in Indianapolis that started publishing in 1903.

WIBC is a news/talk radio station in Indianapolis that has been on air since 1960.

hth

 

[ClearAhead]

His reply that if the image was from the girls phone it isn't me seems strange to me. Why didn't he point out how the image is someone else and not him?

It's like he's saying the image is him as long as it was taken at a different time by someone else. JMO.

It is but he surely recognizes the image is the suspect in the Delphi murders as it was reported numerous times how the posters were planted all over Delphi?

I think he was caught off guard by the question and his awkward answer was the best lie he could think of at the time.

JMO

 

[INfisherman]

Guilty way out in front thankfully. I am becoming more confident he will be found guilty as the days tick by.

I sway back & forth in my mind & try to wait each day based on I’m able to glean from the trial. Going to wait until I start hearing more from the D side as well as see the P’s entire case. IMO were only just now starting to get into the meat & potatoes of the trial.

 

[photographer4]

I didn't know any of this either about Dullin.

Just to be clear and not to nitpick or anything.

But these are from proper verified sources, right?

JMO MOO JMT

The links? They seem to be from proper media outlets imo.

 

[MassGuy]

Does anyone know what day the details of the 60+ confessions will be introduced into evidence?

No. I’d guess sometime next week, but there’s no telling.