Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #206

[Melted]

Something interesting talked about on TMS-RA Trial Day 9.

"Not every case will have meaningful DNA evidence to test.​

While DNA does have the power to tell us a lot about people and crime scenes, it is not always available. DNA evidence is most likely to be left behind in violent crimes but only available in a small percentage of even these cases. Attackers leave behind DNA evidence in less than 10% of murders."

I think the above is very interesting, considering many think the prosecution not having DNA to prove the defendant's guilt is a sure sign he must be innocent. Less than 10% of violent murder scenes have the killer's DNA left behind. This can also mean not enough DNA to prove a person's innocence too. It can go both ways.

I was shocked at that very low percentage. We truly do not live in a word like the CSI tv shows. DNA from killers at crime scenes is a much rarer thing, in real life.

DNA and Wrongful Conviction: Five Facts You Should Know - Innocence Project

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I’m assuming that around 90% of violent homicides are carried out with a firearm though?

At least in America. The strong majority of homicides here are inner city violence.

These crimes are much different than cutting people’s throats. JMO and I’m off to find out the exact % of homicides attributed to firearms

 

[MassGuy]

A lot of info here:

Delphi Murders trial: Day 10 live blog

Day 10 in the trial of Delphi Murders suspect Richard Allen begins at 9 a.m. Tuesday. Follow our live blog for the latest developments.

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[m00c0w]

In court, Blair confirmed that she would have seen the man on the bridge toward the beginning of her third walking loop. She estimated he was about 15 feet away from her.

https://www.wane.com/top-stories/delphi-native-reflects-on-abby-libbys-legacy-in-town/

This is most likely a mishearing. Other sources say she said 50 feet, which is what she said in police interviews.

Blair told the jury she was roughly 50 feet from “Bridge Guy” and claimed she thought, due to his posture, that he was looking for someone.

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delphi-murders-contentious-cross-examination-of-investigator-marks-day-4-of-testimony/

 

[Trebor5591]

I'm curious. How else would you interpret that statement to his wife?

It could be interpreted as a dramatic offer to "fall on his sword" and plead guilty to the murders just to take pressure of the trial off of RA's spouse, not because he actually murdered the girls. IMO

 

[sunshineray]

Interviews look to be different. One is a Mullin/Liggett interview, one is Holeman.

Same interview, just one investigator left the room? That happens sometimes...by chance or plan. MO

 

[justtrish]

What in world could be redacted in a murder investigation's LE interviews? Holeman already testified to the rapport building chit chat. Why redact anything? It can possibly mess with context. Maybe it was just names of family and co-workers? Those I could see but anything else and the whole tone of what happened and how could be removed. JMO

Could it be any talking about CSAM or questions asking about any links to KK or his Anthony Shots account?

 

[Deleted member 296739]

I'm curious. How else would you interpret that statement to his wife?

Everything they want to know …
And
Everything they want to hear…

Are very similar depending on context and don’t necessarily imply guilt or truth of the matter- if I assume one of my kids did something that they didn’t actually do and I put them on restrictions until they own up to it, the only way out of the situation is to lie and “tell me what I want to hear…”

It could be something like that.., I don’t know- I wasn’t there- and don’t have a concrete opinion on guilt vs not guilty as I have very limited facts- moo

 

[AugustWest]

Same interview, just one investigator left the room? That happens sometimes...by chance or plan. MO

I'm not sure, I'm just reading what was reported.

 

[ClearAhead]

That is a very iffy "confession" if you ask me. One could easily interpret it as a grandiose offer to "fall on one's sword" and plead guilty to the murders just to take pressure of the trial off of RA's spouse, not because he actually murdered the girls. IMO

The comment - “If this becomes too much for you, just let me know and I will talk to the detectives and tell them everything they want to know.”

It does not strike me as a grandiose offer to “fall on one’s sword”. Why wouldn’t he proclaim his innocence to her…..”I’ll talk to the detective and they’ll know I’m innocent!” Instead he claims to possess “everything they want to know” which to me refers to information beyond just pleading he’s guilty.

This is quite incriminating statement IMO, especially later when we learn his wife hangs up on him rather than hearing his confessions. JMO

 

[sunshineray]

I’m assuming that around 90% of violent homicides are carried out with a firearm though?

At least in America. The strong majority of homicides here are inner city violence.

These crimes are much different than cutting people’s throats. JMO and I’m off to find out the exact % of homicides attributed to firearms

I don't think so...90%? Lot's if people are stuck or stabbed.

 

[m00c0w]

The 10/13 interview was in conjunction with the search warrant. They mirandized him during the first interview and the defense had no objections to this interview being admitted.

The 10/26 interview was when RA went to the station to get his car back, and the first part of the video that shows the advice of rights is missing. Both parties accept this as fact. The only contention is that one source kept insisting police testified they never mirandized RA during this interview, which is completely false. They claimed it in court filings and they claimed it when testifying.

JMO

 

[MassGuy]

Important parts/opinions on that Wish article.

Mullin brings up February 2017. Allen says he was at his mom’s in Peru while his wife was working and left there at 11:15 a.m. He said he went home and got a jacket, even though it was warm out.

Allen said he walked down to the high bridge, went out a little bit on a platform and watched the fish. Allen says then he left. He says he parked either on the bridge side or near a smaller bridge. Liggett shows him a map of the area, Mullin explains where things are on the map.

-Allen says he didn’t go out “all that often,” but that it varied and that he had “gone out a time or two” in the winter months. Familiarity with area.

-Allen says he told Dulin he saw three girls, he thought one was babysitting two of the girls and he thought they all looked alike. Biggest witness sighting in my mind as both parties corroborate it (minus 1 girl in Allen's account).

News 8’s Kyla Russell reports at this point in the courtroom, Richard Allen is shaking his head.

Liggett asked how and where he walked to get on the bridge. Allen doesn’t give a clear answer. Allen explains he had a red ford car before he got the “black car.” Vague. Extraneous.

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Mullin again asks about him seeing three girls, Allen says he did not see anyone else while on the trails and he was walking towards the girls. “I don’t really remember seeing anyone that day. If I did, they didn’t stand out to me.”

 

[tlcya]

Same interview, just one investigator left the room? That happens sometimes...by chance or plan. MO

yeah, I get what August was saying though. the article I quoted was not clear that DT wanted the one from the 26th suppressed and we haven't gotten there yet.

 

[vinayd]

Interesting statement here:

Delphi Murders trial: Day 8 live blog

 

[Melted]

What witness are you talking about?

“Voorhies said she saw the man on the trail. Voorhies recalled that it was around 2:15 pm when she saw the man in the wooded area of the trail near the Freedom Bridge. That wouldn’t line up with the same man being in the girls’ video on the bridge at 2:13 pm.”

Mind you, this is the 4 girls that people are claiming cement the timeline for the prosecution.

https://www.wane.com/top-stories/delphi-native-reflects-on-abby-libbys-legacy-in-town/

 

[mrjitty]

I quote from the legal docs and approved sources. I give links to both.
The timelines don't match. Even Kelsi's testimony to the time she dropped the girls does not match the time in the PCA. shrug...

I am interested in your opinion of how it can work.

What do I have wrong?

I just don't see how he can be innocent unless he saw 3 completely different girls who have never been identified.

 

[sunshineray]

It could be interpreted as a dramatic offer to "fall on his sword" and plead guilty to the murders just to take pressure of the trial off of RA's spouse, not because he actually murdered the girls. IMO

So an innocent man is going to admit he brutally killed two children and that's going to be a preferred offer to his wife and her sensibilities, than her husband sticking to the truth of his innocence? Well I just don't see that as logical in anyway. A woman like that would have to be a worse moron than her man that's willing to falsely confess for her supposed comfort.
Of course that all respectfully just my opinion.

 

[statt#1]

What in world could be redacted in a murder investigation's LE interviews? Holeman already testified to the rapport building chit chat. Why redact anything? It can possibly mess with context. Maybe it was just names of family and co-workers? Those I could see but anything else and the whole tone of what happened and how could be removed. JMO

I had thought possibly questioning RA as to his knowledge related to another case, or cases, that are not related to this case.

 

[justtrish]

The comment - “If this becomes too much for you, just let me know and I will talk to the detectives and tell them everything they want to know.”

It does not strike me as a grandiose offer to “fall on one’s sword”. Why wouldn’t he proclaim his innocence to her…..”I’ll talk to the detective and they’ll know I’m innocent!” Instead he claims to possess “everything they want to know” which to me refers to information beyond just pleading he’s guilty.

This is quite incriminating statement IMO, especially later when we learn his wife hangs up on him rather than hearing his confessions. JMO

Exactly because what they wanted to know was the truth.

I am curious what was said before and after this.

Did she say, you aren't going to confess to something you did do.

Did she question what he meant by that.. or did she already know what he mean by that?

 

[m00c0w]

Allen says in the video that he had an individual stock trading account, and was “trying to get rich.” In the video Allen laughs.

Delphi Murders trial: Day 10 live blog

Day 10 in the trial of Delphi Murders suspect Richard Allen begins at 9 a.m. Tuesday. Follow our live blog for the latest developments.

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This dispels the theory about checking fish stocks or whatever that was.