Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #208

[Boxer]

There are Odinist guards in the county jails, too. The guards aren't exactly friendly to RA.

MOO also Christian and other beliefs, the only reason Odinist guards are notable is confabulation around blood and sticks being "runes" by the defense.

 

[minor4th]

I'm sorry, that's not what I read. Until he began receiving discovery documents, he was attended by other inmates who were there to alert authorities if he became suicidal or self-destructive. He took showers like the other inmates, 3 times a week. He was allowed and encouraged to exercise outside of his cell. He had 2 tablets, books, etc. He could watch tv or movies on his tablet. He was allowed phone calls.

The other inmates were not allowed to interact with him. They were there only to record his behavior.

 

[FrostedGlass]

Yes, after reading the description of his cell, amenities and activities, he was not in solitary confinement. Solitary is sensory deprivation for long periods of time. A small room with 24 hr a day lights and almost no contact with the outside world. No books, tv bed, windows, nothing.

I feel like the public has been lied to by the D, claiming he was in solitary. He wasn't.

I wonder if you are comparing some other country to the US. We don't just throw people into black holes and walk away.

 

[INfisherman]

No really. He most likely has extreme PTSD from his 13 months in solitary.

I’d have PTSD if I’d have murdered 2 young teens, more than likely.

JMO

 

[MassGuy]

Maybe treatment at a mental health facility could have been better. I think 13 months in solitary is too long, especially for a mentally ill person. And remember, this is all pre-trial detention that should have taken place at the county jail. I haven’t heard anything to suggest he was considered a harm to others.

I think the concern was more that others were a harm to him.

I’m glad they were able to keep him alive, but do think there was a better way to do that.

But I haven’t heard a suggestion that would have guaranteed that. I don’t know why he wasn’t in a mental facility, at least for a time.

 

[Betty P]

It doesn't matter if they have a tablet, kiosk or in line at the pay phone. It's the same rules - they are all subject to recording and monitoring. An inmate isn't forced to use a tablet or to make any phone calls and it's surely their own choice to confess multiple times putting the consequences of those actions squarely on them.

MOO

This has been the rule for every trial I've followed in the last 20 yrs or so. It's amazing how many inmates still discuss things they shouldn't only to find it used in court.

 

[minor4th]

I wonder if you are comparing some other country to the US. We don't just throw people into black holes and walk away.

Hearing what people think solitary is, I’m reminded of the movie Pappillon with Steve McQueen lol It hasnt been that way for a long time, if ever, in the US.

 

[Peppery]

I'm not OP but I have a source for it the 2015 incident:

"Officers with the Carroll County Sheriff’s Office were sent at around 3:30 a.m. June 18, 2015, to the home of Richard and Kathy Allen, according to records obtained by the station Fox 59.

Sheriff Tobe Leazenby said Allen, a dad of one and a CVS technician, was allegedly drunk, and his wife took him to a hospital for a medical evaluation."

Delphi suspect Richard Allen involved in ‘domestic incident’ 2 years before teens’ murders

In June 2015, less than two years before Libby German and Abby Williams were murdered in Delphi, Indiana, their accused killer Richard Allen was involved in a domestic incident.

nypost.com

And there’s obviously much more to the story, as someone who is a self-admitted alcoholic does not need routine medical evaluation.

 

[photographer4]

Do people in solitary get to ring their family whenever they want?

"Wala said that the DOC cannot hold someone for more than 30 days in solitary confinement, but Allen was in it for 13 months, which she said could have led to the decline in his mental health."

Delphi Double Murder Trial Day 11: Allen's former psychologist takes the stand

DELPHI, Ind. (WLFI) – Day 11 of the Delphi double homicide trial for Richard Allen, accused of the 2017 murders of Abigail Williams and Liberty German, got underway Wednesday.

www.wlfi.com

Seems like - based on the quote - that the State's own psychologist has called it "solitary" so that is the word I'm going with when I say that I believe he was absolutely in solitary. I believe the conditions he was held in for thirteen months were downright cruel and abusive. Moo. I cannot condone it, even if he could call his mother or wife, and had a tablet etc.... Moooo.

EDITED - by me.

 

[MassGuy]

The first defense witness was Cheyenne Mill, formerly Cheyenne Ingles, of Winamac. Mill and her best friend went hiking Feb. 13, 2017, the day that the teen girls, Abby Williams and Libby German, were reported as missing. Mill recalled she and her friend passed an “overweight” man on the Monon High Bridge. He didn’t greet them. Later, on or a few minutes after 3:49 p.m. Feb. 13, 2017, Mill and her friend took photos for Snapchat.

Two weeks after walking on the bridge, Mill talked police in the parking lot of Indiana Beach amusement park. She’d reached out to police Feb. 14, 2017, after she’d learned the girls’ bodies had been found, but didn’t talk with them until Feb. 28, 2017.

She told police that she never saw or heard anything strange or saw anyone in the woods that surround the bridge and its trail. However, she saw “a lady and a man” who were frantic and had a moped, and were suspicious. Mill also shared her photos.

Six months later, Mill said, the FBI contacted her and asked for her mother’s phone. Mill was told that her phone did ping from the bridge on Feb. 13, 2017. Mill also said that the photos she posted were circulated, noting that she was “blasted out: by people online. “This case has been blown completely out of proportion online,” she testified.

Delphi Murders trial: Day 12 live blog

Day 12 of the Delphi Murders trial begins with the jury expected to hear two hours of audio.

www.wishtv.com

 

[Peppery]

I’ll say as an ICU RN, I have seen more poop smeared, played with, spread on walls/bodies and yes, eaten, than I ever could explain. It’s like when people are extremely stressed they revert to toddler/baby behaviors. Rarely is there a mental health diagnosis or suspicion of one. IME.

 

[MassGuy]

The jury asked Mill these questions:

• Did you see or hear any vehicles on the road under the bridge? Mill noted that the former railroad bridge goes over water.
• Did it take you 6 minutes to walk across? Mill said it took about 10 minutes.

The second defense witness was Teresa Liebert. She said she lives near Brad Weber, who police had questioned in their investigation of the girls’ deaths. She recalled what she described as a “strange” occurrence on the morning before the girls were reported missing: a man standing near the mailboxes at the driveway into the homes of herself and Weber. She also saw a parked car.

In cross-examination, Leibert said she’d never seen the man before or since that day.

The jury also had a question for Leibert:

• Could you have seen a high school student near the mailbox? Leibert said no.

Before court ended Thursday, according to notes from a pool reporter, Special Judge Fran “Gull has read a bit of third-party suspects but hasn’t set a timeline of whether she’ll rule on it yet.”

Delphi Murders trial: Day 12 live blog

Day 12 of the Delphi Murders trial begins with the jury expected to hear two hours of audio.

www.wishtv.com

 

[rebelchild]

Prosecution playing dirty trying to admit evidence that hasn’t been given to defense.

I'm 15 pages behind .. but seems to me that RA is the one that keeps giving the prosecution more evidence to present. What is that saying .. don't bite the hand of the messenger. lol MOO

 

[MassGuy]

Jury curious about RA’s custody arrangement:

The latest notes from Thursday’s pool reporter in the courtroom showed jurors asked questions of Indiana State Master Trooper Brian Harshman.

• Are people held in county jails or prison before trials? Harshman said, “Mostly county jails.”
• Did you listen to suspect Richard Allen’s confessions prior to April 3? Harshman said yes.

Delphi Murders trial: Day 12 live blog

Day 12 of the Delphi Murders trial begins with the jury expected to hear two hours of audio.

www.wishtv.com

 

[minor4th]

The jury asked Mill these questions:

• Did you see or hear any vehicles on the road under the bridge? Mill noted that the former railroad bridge goes over water.
• Did it take you 6 minutes to walk across? Mill said it took about 10 minutes.

The second defense witness was Teresa Liebert. She said she lives near Brad Weber, who police had questioned in their investigation of the girls’ deaths. She recalled what she described as a “strange” occurrence on the morning before the girls were reported missing: a man standing near the mailboxes at the driveway into the homes of herself and Weber. She also saw a parked car.

In cross-examination, Leibert said she’d never seen the man before or since that day.

The jury also had a question for Leibert:

• Could you have seen a high school student near the mailbox? Leibert said no.

Before court ended Thursday, according to notes from a pool reporter, Special Judge Fran “Gull has read a bit of third-party suspects but hasn’t set a timeline of whether she’ll rule on it yet.”

Delphi Murders trial: Day 12 live blog

Day 12 of the Delphi Murders trial begins with the jury expected to hear two hours of audio.

www.wishtv.com

This is a smart, sophisticated jury.

 

[katydid23]

Depends on the facility how incarcerated communications are handled- tablets are often standard issue vs kiosks and phones for communications- JPay tablets are very common

There are a few different main vendors and it can be very very expensive- in my experience-

https://www.jpay.com/

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But it is misleading to call it 'solitary confinement' if the inmate has a personal tablet in their cell which can call out to family, friends and attorneys whenever they want. IMO

Solitary implies the inmate is cut off from any contact and kept isolated. That is not how RA was treated. He could reach out to family whenever he desired. He had his therapist visit every single day. He had trustees sitting at his cell door 24/7 to watch over him.

While there is no universally agreed definition of solitary confinement – often also called ‘segregation’, ‘isolation’, ‘lockdown’ or ‘super-max’ – it is commonly understood to be the physical isolation of individuals who are confined to their cells for 22 to 24 hours a day, and allowed only minimal meaningful interaction with others.

Contact with family or visitors is often restricted or denied altogether, despite the fact that contact with family in particular, has been shown to be an important factor in successful rehabilitation.

Solitary confinement - Penal Reform International

Excessive use of solitary confinement in prisons around the world is becoming an increasing concern.

www.penalreform.org

 

[Jade]

Richard Allen is not alone being held in Pretrial Detention in Indiana.

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Indiana: Murder or treason shall not be bailable, when the proof is evident,or the presumption strong.
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Pretrial Release: Detention

State constitutions and statutes establish the foundation of the pretrial release/detention framework in every state. Most individuals who are arrested are eligible to be released before trial, with 41 state constitutions containing a right to bail.

www.ncsl.org

In addition to that’s the way it is in Indiana;

RA’s Pretrial Detention is appropriate because he poses a danger to the community and/or is believed he would subvert justice by fleeing or committing suicide, imo.

It’s IN misfortune he is so high maintenance.

All imo

 

[MassGuy]

This is a smart, sophisticated jury.

It’s like they are playing detective, and I don’t mean that in a negative way at all. These are the questions you’d hope police would have asked these witnesses.

 

[INfisherman]

i was kind of surprised KAK got excluded.

The Odinists there was no evidence linking them to the murders.

RL the defense didn’t seem to be interested in judging from the 5 mins of argument they dedicated to it. Quite surprising IMO but there must be some reason why he wasn’t useful.

MOO

Of the one interview transcript I’ve read with him, he tends to talk in circles & deflect involvement in addition to lying. Very difficult to glean truth. All the claims of him & his dad being there at MHB. Just can’t risk opening the door for the D IMO.

Unless the whole picture gets painted, including what went on prior to BG being on MHB, I have a hard time dismissing the K’s at least having some sort of indirect involvement somehow.

Off topic somewhat but after KK’s arrest, there were ironically batches (10-30 at a time) of CSAM charges around the area in which I live. It was pretty unusual from past history where 1 or 2 people had minor charges - these were people coming from out of state in hopes of meeting someone. Vido alluded to KK’s arrest as being one of the larger cases in IN ever.

All JMO

 

[technicallymissing]

I’d be willing to bet that eating feces is exceptionally rare among people faking psychosis, if only because I imagine the experience of eating poo is so jarring that one’s reaction to that would be a very good way to give the game away.

In other words it would be ideal if pulling it off with a straight face didn’t have such a high degree of difficulty.


But in terms of smearing feces on yourself, yes I totally agree with you. If you’re trying to act crazy that’s a great move.

Clicking “like” on this post was a truly bizarre feeling haha (Completely agree and think you make great points) Just another day here on websleuths…