Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #210

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I think the Prosecution may have gotten a grand slam with the DT playing RA acting out videos too. Until then he was just calm, cool and collected Ricky the family man, helpful CVS guy sitting there with his glasses perched on his head. Now they see the real demon inside. And the searches helped to hone that perspective quite nicely. AJMO
The searches didn’t do anything for me really. They didn’t show things like:
- how to hide a body
- how long does dna last
- how to remove stains from cars
- buying a replacement jacket (some thought he may have - and he may have but if so apparently not online)
- anything specific about either kid or their families
- anything about transfer evidence


He searched for horror movies. In October. Of 2022. I understand that some want to infer from this that he’s a monster but I don’t see it from the searches. Moo.
 
New here, huh? :D
Somewhat…lurked for a long long time prior to joining & participating.

Will you be representing any of the horses that have been beaten to death by chance? :p

ETA …and by horses, I’m in no way referring to Odinism, Thor, or any sort of pagan religion, just so we’re clear.
 
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Thank you. I'll have to go back and read the testimony. I was sure I read there was no audio.

Is the use of a camcorder when transporting a regular occurrence? I have no idea so am just asking.

Just adding:

Audio can't be played as the defendant can't be heard talking as it is considered heresay when the defendant offers out of court testimony.

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I honestly don’t know. It would be a bit of a surprise to me if JG was caught with her britches down on something like this, but you never know…doubtful but I’m not one that digs into matters as such. I trust everyone to do their jobs. If she didn’t, I’d have expected an uproar from the defense (and their mouthpieces).

JMO
In the absence of cameras or audio available to the public, we are woefully reliant on media. This is what I found:

“On Tuesday, the video with enhanced audio was played in court, and the defense attempted to keep a prosecution witness from saying what he believed the man said in the clip before jurors had heard the video. But the witness, an Indiana State Police system administrator, let the words "down the hill" slip prematurely during testimony.”


I was unable to determine if JG had ever issued a ruling on the motion in limine I posted upthread or not but it seems to me she should have before this became an issue. I am not aware of what if any reaction JG had to this or if she instructed the jury to disregard.

In the absence of a ruling, I want to understand why she didn’t rule? In the presence of a ruling, if it was denied, why? If granted, what should her response have been? Any lawyers have a moment to help pls?

Not moo - questions. Ty.
 
Yes and the public includes RA. The judge works for all in the case...within and by the law. An all encompassing job. That was my point of contention. The people may be prosecuting RA within the judge's courtroom but the judge is also looking after his interests. She has no bias. MO
Well, on the issue of bias, you and I will have to agree to disagree. Moo.
 
The searches didn’t do anything for me really. They didn’t show things like:
- how to hide a body
- how long does dna last
- how to remove stains from cars
- buying a replacement jacket (some thought he may have - and he may have but if so apparently not online)
- anything specific about either kid or their families
- anything about transfer evidence


He searched for horror movies. In October. Of 2022. I understand that some want to infer from this that he’s a monster but I don’t see it from the searches. Moo.
I found the Delphi searches interesting because he had feigned ignorance when confronted with the image of BG. He said that if the girls took the photo it could't have been him. Anyone and everyone knows the origins of that photo, and he should easily be able to determine if an image is of him or not, as he's seen it a million times. "No, it's not me," would have been far more reasonable.

But these searches are super interesting (mentioned this in the last thread):

"On Oct. 2, 2022, less than two weeks before he was initially questioned in the case, Allen searched for the “65+ best kidnapping and hostage movies ever made.” Other searches from the same day included “man held hostage by teen” and “movie about a man being held against his will.”

I believe he's searching for a specific movie, as I used very similar search terms when I was trying to look up this movie a few years ago. It's called "Hard Candy." In it, a 14 year old girl pulls one of those "To Catch a Predator" tactics online, and meets a guy she suspects to be a sexual predator who preys on teen girls. She drugs his drink and ties him up and proceeds to psychologically torture him for information (even going as far as to perform a fake castration).

https://www.newsnationnow.com/crime...ocialflow&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral
 
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Well she's an elected official, and up for re-election in 2 years.

I'm not sure I can say with a straight face that the rulings have been fair thus far, considering the history between Judge and DT.

Interestingly Gull was a proponent of the pilot program for televising trials.
I found it even more interesting that the one day she ruled cameras would be allowed in the courtroom with respect to this case was the day last fall when she dismissed the D without a hearing.

“Gull did allow cameras in the courtroom at one of Allen's pretrial hearings back in late 2023.
But then, things went sideways.
The judge kicked Allen's public defenders off the case. They appealed to the Indiana Supreme Court, which overruled the judge and reappointed the defense team.”


No cams before or since? Really?!
 
The videos with audio were taken with a camcorder, as opposed to the prison surveillance system which apparently doesn’t have audio.

So no, the warden wasn’t lying, if that’s what those YouTubers are implying.
If the warden claimed NONE of the videos had audio then YES that would be a lie-the camcorder had audio. It was part of the super special, better than the other inmates, Richard Allen 24/7 video surveillance package
 
If the warden claimed NONE of the videos had audio then YES that would be a lie-the camcorder had audio. It was part of the super special, better than the other inmates, Richard Allen 24/7 video surveillance package
That was not the context of the questioning. All that evidence was in discovery and both parties knew what had audio and what didn't. No witness is going to perjure themselves with something so obviously verifiable. This is getting silly.
 
The searches didn’t do anything for me really. They didn’t show things like:
- how to hide a body
- how long does dna last
- how to remove stains from cars
- buying a replacement jacket (some thought he may have - and he may have but if so apparently not online)
- anything specific about either kid or their families
- anything about transfer evidence


He searched for horror movies. In October. Of 2022. I understand that some want to infer from this that he’s a monster but I don’t see it from the searches. Moo.
He searched for more than horror movies
 
I can certainly say with a straight face she's been fair, more than fair with the DT. She's been unbiased as ruled unanimously by SCOIN. She even let RA keep his dignity by not letting the courtroom see his naked and revolting images. A dignity that Abby and Libby did not get.

Even though I'd have very much wanted to see the trial, I agree with JG about not allowing cameras. I do wish a media room with piped in audio had been allowed.
AJMO
I have wondered if the SCOIN may now be wondering if they made the right decision. Moo.
 
The first use of DNA in a criminal case was in 1986.

Source: What Every First Responding Officer Should Know About DNA Evidence | DNA Evidence Overview

Less than 40 years later, it seems to me that many expect it to factor into every case, and apparently think the case is flimsy if no DNA is found, even if it wasn't even searched for until 5 years after the suspect was identified as such.

I don't think this is a flimsy case. I think it is a strong circumstantial case, as were a vast number of cases resulting in convictions before the advent of DNA.

All MOO
 
imo it’s not hard to understand why many people may feel this way. Moo.
Why's that? At every turn the DT has accused people of stating untruths and burying the truth, ergo there's a multitude of people stating falsehoods, with the end result apparantly of wanting to convict CVS Ricky of murders he didn't commit...even though he's said a multitude of times he did commit them. Even Ricky is lying, right? JMO on the view of things, from my eyes, so much spin it's nauseating.
 
According to Dr. Wala's psych report, RA stated "white van" during his confession.

I was asking in here yesterday, and this morning to a link where this "white van" is discussed in the public domain; it's yet to be provided. It isn't in any of the official case documents available thus far to the public. The prosecution states that detail was not in discovery.

I checked for hours and hours out there in SM land and find only discussion about "white car", "white truck" and "white pickup truck". No white van.

Please provide a link to this detail being in the public domain prior to Richard Allen making this detail known in his confession.

Also, anyone out there with a link to the "BW stating he was home at 3:30pm originally" claim that keeps being made ... still waiting for a link to that if anyone can find one. I did find the 3:30pm claim originating on R years ago by a certain user with it flying like wildfire after that through the interwebs and certain youtube channels, but that individual didn't cite any source for it; they based it upon BW finishing his shift at 3pm (despite the fact that BW actually finishes work at 2pm - as he testified to under oath.)

Again, any help finding sources to cite for the above underlined items being in the public domain.


Also, still wondering why the Defense isn't/has not called the very first LEO who engaged with BW ... on the 13 February at 1730hrs before the girls were even found deceased. I do suspect that the Prosecution may have him back up on the stand. Has the Defense just forgotten about him?
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Richard Allen said he saw a white van near the trail when he kidnapped the girls, psychologist's report shows

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Allen, according to Wala's note, said he intended to rape the girls, but he didn't because he saw a white van driving nearby. Instead, he crossed Deer Creek, killed them and left, avoiding the main trails as he walked back to his car.




Carroll County Sheriff's Office Deputy Mitch Catron, who has worked for the county for 12 years, said in the day's final testimony that he responded to a call about the missing girls around 5:15 p.m. that day.

Using large maps of the area around the Monon High Bridge and Deer Creek, attorneys made Catron point out how he approached the trail from the south on a private drive that led him through the woods and, eventually, to the property of Brad Weber.
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McLeland, the lead prosecutor, asked of Weber: "Was he covered in sweat? Was he covered in blood? Did he look disheveled in any way?" Matron said no to each question.
Weber allowed the officer to search his property, though the defense noted that Catron didn't look inside two outbuildings on the site. He said he likely stayed for less than 10 minutes.

Although the trees were bare in February, Catron said he saw nothing out of place when he searched the woods near Weber's property and along the private drive."
Yeah my post didn’t mention the van color because it’s not at all clear if during this confession Dr Wala testified to, if RA said “white” van and in some main stream media it’s not even clear if Dr Wala said “van” or “man”-so there’s that.
Like I said, there was nothing in his confession that only the killer would have known-not even the van

 
I missed this. What else did he google besides movies?
On Oct. 17, 2022, he searched ABC News for an article about the Delphi murders. That would have been four days after investigators initially questioned him about the case.

On May 27, 2020, he searched for a story about rebuilding the Monon High Bridge. In May 2021, he searched for shooting ranges.

Allen also searched multiple times about the Delphi case, according to the records. On Aug. 4 and Aug. 5, 2022, he did five searches for “Delphi murders update.” That’s just a couple months before he found himself at the center of the case.

Between January 2022 and April 2022, Allen did a general search for “Delphi” 11 times. Also in April 2022, he searched “should I die now?”

 
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