Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #210

[m00c0w]

I agree...there no physical evidence tying him to the crime scene, the gun evidence can be argued, the audio and video evidence is not conclusive, and the confessions are not full of any information that RA was not given in discovery...regardless of his mental state he was given the crime scene photos and details so he had the info of the killings...if he had confessed before he had the info I'd be more apt to believe the confessions...

IMO

There is evidence tying him to the scene. You listed several reasons why you believe the evidence is not substantial, which is fairly different.

JMO

 

[Crazyjster]

This has nothing to do with emotion. If someone had to pay, they had no shortage of better suspects (on paper) over the years. They were sex offenders, convicted felons, men known to be violent.

How they came to Allen was completely organic. An interview was misfiled and when law enforcement realized that, they had an "Oh S*** moment." That man could have very well been the killer, as they had tracked down pretty much (if not all) of the people who had been there that day, via self reporting or geofence data.

That, along with another interview, only furthered the likelihood that they had their man. His timeline matched, his clothing matched, he indicated that he likely saw the same group of witnesses who saw him. Finally, his gun matched.

This man was Googling the Delphi case. He would have known about that photo and its origins. When confronted with this, he doesn't say the image isn't him. He says that if the girls took that photo, it isn't him. That makes absolutely no logical sense. It's him and he just doesn't want to say.

He claimed that he was walking the trails looking at stock quotes. No geofence data for Richard Allen exists, and it absolutely should (his phone had to have been off if he even had it).

He's the one who mentioned a boxcutter being the murder weapon, and revealed what he did with it.

He's the one who says how this all came to be (drinking beer, planning on rape, etc).

He's the one who said he was interrupted by a van, which makes sense of the crime scene and why he didn't rape the girls.

Believe this stuff. Don't believe this stuff. It has nothing to do with "emotion."

I respectfully disagree...there is no exact match for anything you have stated, there are only similarities (gun, clothes), the statement from 2017, there is a question to whether it was misfiled, whether RA was cleared, it depends who you ask...RA mentioned the boxcutter...yes...and he saw crime scene photos...and he confessed after seeing crime scene photos, autopsy reports, witness statements and everything else...

 

[Chimera]

Kicking out the most resourceful intelligent agency in the U.S.!!! Dumb!!!
I try to be kind, but, its now been confirmed why I never cared for DC. moo
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@MaxLewisTV

This is of Indiana State Police Superintendent Doug Carter who took the stand today to talk about the FBI's role in the investigation. He kicked them off the investigation in August 2021.

It is indeed odd.

Almost as if someone doesn't want this case solved ?

Eta : Hopefully that's waaaay out there in outer space.
I do think LE want this solved.
Many little puzzle pieces involved, but they all seem to lead to R.A.
Omo.

 

[Crazyjster]

So RA admits to being on that bridge. But folks don't think it's him in the BG video taken by Libby. I wonder if he lied about admitting he was on that bridge....why would he do that. But if he was indeed on the bridge like he says he was, but it wasn't him in the video, the guy that goes by the moniker BG, then.... That means someone else walked out on the bridge, either past him, or from the other end, past Libby, who was recording, and then this some other person also walked past Abby, then turned around and magically appeared in the video being taken by Libby, coming at her and Abby.

But RA admits to being on the bridge. And several folks speak of seeing a man dressed in like manner to what RA claims he was dressed.

So, those witnesses are testifying to seeing someone who was dressed like RA says he was dressed, but it was someone else, who was dressed the way RA and the witnesses say he was dressed, but RA never says there was a guy on the bridge that looks like BG and was dressed the same way he was dressed that day.

So, BG, looks like RA says he himself looked, and BG, looks like the witnesses say he looked, and BG was on the bridge like RA says he was, but it ain't RA, and RA doesn't mention any other guy that looks like RA says he looked that day.

I think I got it now. My opinion only.

BG could be a a million men in a blue jacket, jeans and a hat IMO

 

[m00c0w]

I usually don’t post but I really enjoy reading everyone’s posts. I agree with some that each piece of evidence has issues. I personally don’t think it is a strong case, especially without the confessions. However, I do believe he is guilty looking at all the evidence as a whole.

I was looking forward to hearing the defense’s case. I have been disappointed so far since I haven’t heard anything that refutes the timeline, that BG is not the killer, or RA is not BG.

I believe that in the opening the DT said RA was gone from the trails by 2:15(not sure of time). So I have been waiting for some digital or witness testimony to indicate he was somewhere else in the 2:00-4:00 timeframe.

This post just made me understand that I think the defense is feebly trying to show that RA wasn’t on the trails after a certain time… just like he said! Except they are missing the whole “he’s not on the trails anymore because he’s killing the girls” part.

JMO

 

[Inthedetails]

BG could be a a million men in a blue jacket, jeans and a hat IMO

How many men were determined to be on the bridge at the time of the abduction? ONE (not one million).

 

[arielilane]

@KylaBRussell

#UPDATE: Updates from day 14 in the #Delphi double murders trial. I can’t fit all in this tweet, click below for more info.

- The jury saw 15 camcorder videos of Richard Allen while he was in custody at Westville Correctional Facility. The screen was turned and no one from the public watched.

- The videos, admitted into evidence without sound, were shown on a large screen moved near the jury and angled away from the gallery. Defense attorney Brad Rozzi said the decision was made to respect the dignity of multiple people involved.

- The jury watched as the prosecution moved chairs to view. Richard Allen did not watch.

- Special Judge Fran Gull said the video was explicit. Four of them contained nudity and others show him being transported or receiving medical attention.

- The prosecution continually objected to showing the videos while the jury took notes intently, several of them raising their eyebrows.

- The defense’s intern, Max Baker, sat on the stand as they played. He compiled the videos.

- State Police Superintendent Doug Carter shortly took the stand too.

- He said he played a supporting role during the investigation into the girls’ deaths and confirmed the FBI stopped being involved in the search for the killer in August of 2021. That was his decision.

- He stepped down after 10 minutes. He was released from his subpoena.

- We expect the jury to see more videos of Richard Allen inside of Westville, specifically inside of his cell, in the coming days.




5:51 PM · Nov 2, 2024

 

[katydid23]

But if there is no evidence RA was actually involved, why should he have to be convicted? Just because someone has to pay? Last I checked we do not convict based on emotion.

There is evidence he was involved. He puts himself on that bridge, watching stocks on his phone---oops, he lied about the phone part. Ever wonder why?

That video of BG is RA. I think that is obvious by now.

I take him at his word when he confessed to mom and wife.

 

[Crazyjster]

There is evidence tying him to the scene. You listed several reasons why you believe the evidence is not substantial, which is fairly different.

JMO

There is nothing concrete...if I was prosecuting this case I would want to have more

 

[arielilane]

It is indeed odd.

Almost as if someone doesn't want this case solved ?
Omo.

Ego? moo

 

[Crazyjster]

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I'd worry about being convicted by emotion instead of lack of evidence...I get wanting justice believe me...but having this get overturned on appeal, and possibly finding out later on down the line that someone else did this and having to sit through more trials is worse

 

[MassGuy]

I'd worry about being convicted by emotion instead of lack of evidence...I get wanting justice believe me...but having this get overturned on appeal, and possibly finding out later on down the line that someone else did this and having to sit through more trials is worse

There is zero possibility of finding out someone else did this.

The only connection between an offender and the crime scene is that bullet. There is no DNA.

That bullet isn’t going to match another person’s gun, and even if it did, you’d have to find a way to put that person there that day.

Allen has done that.

So the best you could have against someone else would be much less evidence, therefore there would be no “finding out someone else did this.”

 

[katydid23]

There is nothing concrete...if I was prosecuting this case I would want to have more

There is plenty of concrete, imo. There is a video of him with his gun in his front pocket, as he begins following the victims. And he is on the video telling them to go down the hill, where they were found dead. What more can we ask for?

 

[Myvice]

I'd worry about being convicted by emotion instead of lack of evidence...I get wanting justice believe me...but having this get overturned on appeal, and possibly finding out later on down the line that someone else did this and having to sit through more trials is worse

MOO, but anyone that connects dots is not acting on emotions. They are using common sense.

 

[Crazyjster]

They'll never have more, that's just the nature of the crime. This didn't require anyone to be particularly smart, and the crime itself tells us this person was not. It was insanely risky, and he was just asking to get caught. Because he didn't commit rape, and didn't cut himself (like he would have been more likely to do had he used a knife), there was no realistic hope of obtaining DNA evidence, especially because this was an outdoor crime scene.

They'll never have remotely close to the same amount of evidence they have against Allen, so if he is found not guilty, this case will remain without another arrest forever.

So here is a question...is it better to convict with weak evidence or to acquit? Chances are if he is convicted, the verdict will get overturned if he is convicted and he will get a new trial.

 

[snooptroop88]

Okay, I blinked and there's a new thread, and we're now into the 5th page?? Ok, I'm exaggerating. Maybe I turned my back and had a sandwich. Trying to catch up again...

 

[Chimera]

There is plenty of concrete, imo. There is a video of him with his gun in his front pocket, as he begins following the victims. And he is on the video telling them to go down the hill, where they were found dead. What more can we ask for?

His voice matched the other videos of him speaking.
An unusually high-pitched tone for a dude.
Imo.

 

[twall]

There is plenty of concrete, imo. There is a video of him with his gun in his front pocket, as he begins following the victims. And he is on the video telling them to go down the hill, where they were found dead. What more can we ask for?

Proof of gun in pocket please. Did the jury hear this evidence? How many seconds elapse between when he first appears on video and a male voice is heard?

 

[MassGuy]

So here is a question...is it better to convict with weak evidence or to acquit? Chances are if he is convicted, the verdict will get overturned if he is convicted and he will get a new trial.

If you believe you can get a conviction based on what you have, it's better to move forward than do nothing. This case probably isn't going to get stronger with time. If the verdict is overturned on appeal, which there is obviously a chance of, then they'll just do it again. Hopefully next time there will be a better judge who also makes this more open to the public.

 

[arielilane]

Evidence and logic.

BG clearly abducted the girls, based on the audio in that video. This crime was sloppy and reckless, and showed absolutely no sign of planning. It appears to have been a chance encounter, where he followed them across the bridge and miraculously, no one was out on the trails to see that occur.

The audio seems to indicate that the girls were already trying to get away from him before he reaches them (trying to find a path). He catches up and shows them the gun, guiding them down the hill. Every part of this wreaks of a crime of opportunity perpetrated by a lone individual who came prepared for such an opportunity. By the very nature of that, there would be no accomplice.

The crime scene solidifies this for me, as with multiple offenders there's no reason to cycle a round (likely to force further compliance). The girls are killed with the same type of wounds, to the same areas of the body. The blood evidence indicates that Libby attempted to flee, which would be incredibly unlikely if BG had help.

So you'd have two people with the same motive (obviously sexual), and neither of them leaves any overt signs of carrying out a sex act. Neither of them leave DNA. Only one man is ever spotted.

I believe Allen when he said he was drinking that day, encountered the girls planning on raping them, and slit their throats with a boxcutter after he was disrupted by a van.

These types of crimes are almost invariably one man. I'm convinced that's the case here.

@MassGuy, Well said and seriously do the state's closing argument, when it's time.