Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #210

[girlhasnoname]

Quote from link below:

"Libby died from her wounds in a large pool of blood while leaning against the tree, Cicero said. He said he believes she was then dragged about 20 feet to where her body was found."

Delphi murder trial: Libby's blood was likely mixed with her tears, expert says

A pattern on the body of Delphi murder victim Libby German showed her blood was likely mixed with tears, an officer testified.

abc7ny.com

Doable for a man high on adrenaline and whatever perversion and dragging Libby by the arm. He didn't pick her up and carry her, he dragged Libby. moo

 

[girlhasnoname]

That is the part I just do not understand (dragging her body to be parallel with Abby's). For what purpose? There had to be a purpose in the killer(s) mind(s). Otherwise, why not just leave her where she dropped to the ground? Why not drag Abby, who would have been easier to drag, over by Libby? Just why not leave them where they died?! I can't wrap my head around their reasoning.

Hard to imagine the reasoning of an accused perverted child killer. Nothing about what happened to Abby & Libby makes sense to me except they had the unfortunate mistake of running into RA.

Abby died by her fatal wound where she lay, Libby dragged to close by. Maybe RA wanted them to be closer and able to see each other or maybe he simply thought he could cover them up and camouflage them easier with branches that way?? IDK
IMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

I’m still not 100% sure it’s an absolute proven fact that bridge guy is RA, I think he is, but outside of Harshman being allowed to state it was his voice which MOO shouldn’t have been allowed to be said like that we can’t 100% prove it based off of witness testimony that potentially at least two other males were in the area at the time, you believe without a doubt that RA is bridge guy and, outside any DNA or other physical evidence besides his confessions he was also the killer?

MOO not trying to judge anyone here

If anyone knew the voice of RA it would Harshman after listening to over 700 hours of taped conversation. He absolutely could give an educated opinion on the voice he heard.

JMO

 

[cherrybier]

I watched for a couple minutes before turning it off.

Does this woman think that because Defense claims LE didn’t look for a killer behind a barn across a nearby field that RA should be found not guilty? She believes this even though RA admits to the murders and is on video abducting the victims just prior to murdering them?

Who are these people? Where do they come up with this nonsense? JMO

Where'd she say that a few minutes into her video? I didn't hear her mention any of that. Edit. Just watched it again, LL doesn't mention anything about whether she thinks RA is guilty or not guilty. She's refrained from giving her opinion on that in all of her videos so I thought it'd be odd she mentioned it in this one.

Her video was showing parts of the trail and bridge for those who are unfamiliar with the layout.

I found it very informative to get a sense of where things are.

Here's her bio About Lee Wallace - The Wallace Law Firm

 

[Niner]

Okay - I scanned the last 45 pages.... and did not see any docket updates - correct? Do you not all go to sleep??!! LOL!

TIA!

 

[girlhasnoname]

BG could be a a million men in a blue jacket, jeans and a hat IMO

Not really as there weren't a million men in jeans and a blue jacket that place themselves at the CS on that day.

JMO

 

[cherrybier]

I know, I know - it’s what gets people hooked. Just like reality TV - nobody wants to watch people living in a house. They have to be confrontational, argue & scheme. Same sort of thing with narrative trial coverage.

JMO

ETA spelling

I found nothing in this video confrontational, argumentative or scheming.

Can you please point out where?

 

[iamshadow21]

Okay - I scanned the last 45 pages.... and did not see any docket updates - correct? Do you not all go to sleep??!! LOL!

TIA! View attachment 542744

Crime doesn't sleep... so neither do we.



*cue scream from Won't Get Fooled Again*

 

[Betty P]

Where'd she say that a few minutes into her video? I didn't hear her mention any of that. Edit. Just watched it again, LL doesn't mention anything about whether she thinks RA is guilty or not guilty. She's refrained from giving her opinion on that in all of her videos so I thought it'd be odd she mentioned it in this one.

Her video was showing parts of the trail and bridge for those who are unfamiliar with the layout.

I found it very informative to get a sense of where things are.

Here's her bio About Lee Wallace - The Wallace Law Firm

Yes, she did give a good description of the scene for everyone. It seemed very accurate given there’s no public access to the sites where the girls were taken. Lee does seem like a very nice person, she’d be fun to chat with over coffee and she’s very intelligent.

 

[cherrybier]

I watched for a couple minutes before turning it off.

Does this woman think that because Defense claims LE didn’t look for a killer behind a barn across a nearby field that RA should be found not guilty? She believes this even though RA admits to the murders and is on video abducting the victims just prior to murdering them?

Who are these people? Where do they come up with this nonsense? JMO

Yes, she did give a good description of the scene for everyone. It seemed very accurate given there’s no public access to the sites where the girls were taken. Lee does seem like a very nice person, she’d be fun to chat with over coffee and she’s very intelligent.

Are you talking about the same person in both of these posts?

 

[Betty P]

Crime doesn't sleep... so neither do we.



*cue scream from Won't Get Fooled Again*

I woke up to set my clocks back for DST

 

[Betty P]

Are you talking about the same person in both of these posts?

Yes. I’m trying not to make it personal about the presenter. I disagree with her opinions on supporting the defense arguments, but think she’s still a nice person. It the polite thing to do.

 

[jepop]

Dbm

 

[cherrybier]

Yes. I’m trying not to make it personal about the presenter. I disagree with her opinions on supporting the defense arguments, but think she’s still a nice person. It the polite thing to do.

Where did she say she supports the defense arguments? I must have missed that part but have watched it a few times now and didn't hear that at all.

 

[jepop]

So RA admits to being on that bridge. But folks don't think it's him in the BG video taken by Libby. I wonder if he lied about admitting he was on that bridge....why would he do that. But if he was indeed on the bridge like he says he was, but it wasn't him in the video, the guy that goes by the moniker BG, then.... That means someone else walked out on the bridge, either past him, or from the other end, past Libby, who was recording, and then this some other person also walked past Abby, then turned around and magically appeared in the video being taken by Libby, coming at her and Abby.

But RA admits to being on the bridge. And several folks speak of seeing a man dressed in like manner to what RA claims he was dressed.

So, those witnesses are testifying to seeing someone who was dressed like RA says he was dressed, but it was someone else, who was dressed the way RA and the witnesses say he was dressed, but RA never says there was a guy on the bridge that looks like BG and was dressed the same way he was dressed that day.

So, BG, looks like RA says he himself looked, and BG, looks like the witnesses say he looked, and BG was on the bridge like RA says he was, but it ain't RA, and RA doesn't mention any other guy that looks like RA says he looked that day.

I think I got it now. My opinion only.

Great job depicting the mental gymnastics required to twist the logic of circumstantial evidence into a weird pretzel!. Imo this is the opposite of applying reason and parsing facts. It really enters crazy making territory trying to make rational sense of nonsense. Jmo

 

[wtiger]

beyond reasonable doubt - this is the key phrase to bear in mind

it is not as complicated as it's sometimes portrayed

is there no viable,possible alternative to the scenario of RA being the person who murdered these girls?

any possible realistic,viable alternative scenario would be the very definition of reasonable doubt

otherwise he MUST be found guilty.

problem is that i'm not totally convinced that 12 jurors will all find no reasonable alternative - just my own musings.

 

[Davemac1]

Can I ask, is there a possibility Libby had two phones? I should think one of the first things BG said to the girls was hand over your phones. Did Libby hand over another phone?
I say this because I originally thought the phone LE found was strewn somewhere in the woods and BG may have dropped the confiscated phone somewhere on the march across the woods? But to hear during testimony it was neatly tucked in the girls shoe says to me they managed to conceal it the whole time?
This maybe ties in with the snapchat photo on the bridge not found anywhere in the discovered phones memory?
Were there other photos on Libby's recent Snapchat/ social media that were not on the discovered phone did anyone ask?
This then opens a whole other can of worms as to whether she was messaging people or posting as an alias on another phone? It still amazes me BG hit the jackpot (to him anyway) in such a short space of time at the exact location he was loitering about.

 

[INfisherman]

I found nothing in this video confrontational, argumentative or scheming.

Can you please point out where?

Thanks, however, I didn’t watch the video & do not have much interest in watching YT videos concerning this trial. I’ve already watched videos concerning the MHB so I’m all good in that regard.

My response isn’t intended to be rude or anything close to it. This subject can often result in bickering which lends almost nothing to discussion of the case/trial & I do not wish to ignite that spark. For further clarity, might I suggest reading through the past 1-2 weeks of threads (yeah, that’s a lot of reading, but that’s how we learn & understand things from time to time).

Nothing personal towards LL or any other content creators, or you @cherrybier.

 

[INfisherman]

Great job depicting the mental gymnastics required to twist the logic of circumstantial evidence into a weird pretzel!. Imo this is the opposite of applying reason and parsing facts. It really enters crazy making territory trying to make rational sense of nonsense. Jmo

That makes sense.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Yes. Because it seems he was so crazy that the confessions are unreliable.

According to his own Defense Team RA wasn't crazy or acting crazy until Discovery. RA was 'affable, had a sense of humor, was polite and engaged in helping them in his defense'. They weren't concerned about RA's mental health enough to order and independent Psych Eval from Nov until April and even after April with his "psychotic" episodes. Wonder why?

Then come the phone confessions to Wife and Mom and he's suddenly a paper and pooh eating, drooling, head banging, self pleasuring, among other things, histrionic lunatic. RA presented this way from April to June, and then mysteriously calmed down again, with an occasional ragey outburst or confession. Like this recent one where he threatened to kill the guard at Cass County jail where he's being held during trial.

After Discovery RA KNEW what the State knew at that point, as would the general public shortly. His wife and mom wouldn't talk to him about it so there's a perfect storm for his explosive behavior and his psychosis. He MUST have their approval and CONTROL of them regardless of what he'd done, which he begged for each time he confessed.

Why do people insist on forgetting that prior to his arrest Defendant Allen was a functioning member of society, holding down a steady job which included decision making skills, had a home paid for, had a long term marriage, traveled, participated in pool tournaments and socialized down at the local pub? Just a regular ole' Rick, except we know he wasn't.

RA went to the MHB on Feb 13, 2017 to kill, and unfortunately Abby & Libby fit his desired victimology. It's really as simple as that, even though to us it makes absolutely no sense and never will.

All IMO