Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #210

[ClearAhead]

I linked an interview on the previous page where BM discusses it on Court TV.

Not buying it. The timeline between BG/RA crossing the bridge and abducting the girls DTH is accurate literally within seconds/minutes. Building a rumour into it to fit precisely would be impossible.

Besides I’m missing the point. If Dr Wala is being accused of perjuring herself on the stand by lying about RA confessions, those are very serious allegations. And we know she’s not the only person he confessed to. JMO

 

[ClearAhead]

IMO as small as Delphi is and CVS being the only drugstore, RA likely knew BW at least by sight and by his vehicle. The property at the south end of the bridge has been owned by BW's relative for a good many years, according to tax records. Maybe BW made a habit of stopping by CVS after work.

I just don't see that white van being something only the killer would know.

It’s highly unlikely RA would be aware of BW’s work hours.

It’s even more unlikely RA allegedly suffering from severe psychosis would have the ability to add details to his ‘false’ confessions in order to make himself appear even more ‘guiltier’. That requires a certain amount of creativity not typically associated with severe psychosis, which by the very definition is someone who’s lost touch with reality.

JMO

 

[MiniMoo]

Was there ever anything specific about the white van belonging to BW and being driven on that access road anywhere prior to the trial?

I've read people thought there was a van at the cemetery but never that one was speculated to have driven down the access road at the specific time that the girls were moved.

Seems like another coincidence... the amount of coincidences RA has been a part of is incredible.

Circumstantial evidence is still evidence and, at some point, surely it all stops being circumstance and adds up...

MOO

The cemetery is not too far above the crime scene on the North side, like 5 minutes going down, and it is steep.

Am sure vehicles would be heard either side as where the ravine starts at the top of the cemetery you can drive by it and possibly even park quite close to it if parking is allowed.

As for a van being on the South side on February 13th, 2017, when the girls were taken and unalived - my first time hearing about it as well.

JMO MOO JMT

 

[ClearAhead]

On Oct. 17, 2022, he searched ABC News for an article about the Delphi murders. That would have been four days after investigators initially questioned him about the case.

On May 27, 2020, he searched for a story about rebuilding the Monon High Bridge. In May 2021, he searched for shooting ranges.

Allen also searched multiple times about the Delphi case, according to the records. On Aug. 4 and Aug. 5, 2022, he did five searches for “Delphi murders update.” That’s just a couple months before he found himself at the center of the case.

Between January 2022 and April 2022, Allen did a general search for “Delphi” 11 times. Also in April 2022, he searched “should I die now?”

What Google searches from Richard Allen reveal

DELPHI, Ind. – As the prosecution rested its case against Delphi murders suspect Richard Allen, prosecutors submitted one final exhibit to the court. The state had asked the court to admit Allen’s …

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Also in April 2022, he searched “should I die now?”

Appears as if his conscience was closing in on him. I wonder what occurred in April 2022 to put him on edge?

 

[Betty P]

Here's a recent video from Grey Hughes showing the movements of Abby & Libby, Richard Allen and all the witnesses. He also includes the movement of BW's white van.

 

[Salah11]

RA admits it him and the evidence all points in his direction.

Thankfully the majority seem to share that opinion going by the WS poll. I am absolutely confident the jury are also swinging that way.

IMO

 

[EllaMinnowP]

Can you provide an approved source to reference a third party who made a confession or incriminating statements? TIA

Delphi killings are 'textbook' examples of ritualistic murder, defense expert testifies

Prosecutor pushes back on new testimony during the third day of hearings on pretrial motions in Richard Allen's murder case

www.indystar.com

Elvis Fields' sister, Murphy testified, provided "very specific" information that only someone who was at the crime scene would've known. Murphy also recalled a recorded phone call between Fields and his sister, during which she blurted out, "Elvis, why did you kill those girls?"

Fields denied killing the girls when interviewed by detectives. But Murphy recounted an interaction that caught him off guard: After Fields consented to a swab test, he asked Murphy if he would get in trouble if his spit was found on the girls.

* I am gonna run, duck, & hide now.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Same Todd Click. And yeah, his credibility is now destroyed for trial purposes, but his testimony at the hearing was backed up by records from what I read.

So you did get to read the transcripts. That's good, I was confused by your stating there were no transcripts or records. These things can really get confusing.

Todd Click lost his credibility by his own mistruths even in his Rushville Three statements. One specifically, he said he had knowledge there was evidence that someone close to a proposed POI (in his mind), had on a phone the recording of woman being kidnapped, which proved to be totally untrue.

BM spouted that untruth on DD for days. And then we get the obligatory "Oooops, I misspoke, sorry". I put as much stock in what comes out of his mouth as I do the Defense Team, which is a whopping 10% on a good day.

JMO

 

[Crazyjster]

Oddly, only ONE placed himself there resembling anything remotely close to that.

JMO

And how many others kept quiet? Two sketches that were not allowed in for the jury to see bring up the possibility there may have been someone else...and there is no physical evidence that says it definitely was RA in the video. Yes, he was in the vicinity at the time, but they never produced the identical clothes or anything conclusive. The gun was also a probable, but not definitive match because it was compared to a fired ss...Everything is probable...hence probable cause, which is not the standard for conviction.

IMO

 

[helpfulcharlie]

It’s infuriating and inexplicable. It appears that it was not in the tower dump, as we’ve heard his phone doesn’t appear on the trail around the time of the murders, despite him saying he was using it to check stocks.

One would think they’d be able to contact his phone provider and find out exactly when that change occurred.

I. Want. Answers.

Right. If it wasn't there, then he was deceptive when he provided it at the interview. And that's evidence. And a rabbit hole. If he provided a phone that wasn't there to the interviewer, did he have another at the time? And what evidence would that provide? I really hope they were thorough about identifying every phone seen in the area and correlating them to individuals.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Also in April 2022, he searched “should I die now?”

Appears as if his conscience was closing in on him. I wonder what occurred in April 2022 to put him on edge?

State's Discovery and his Mom and Wife telling him not to talk about his confessions and hanging up on him. They were all very enmeshed in an unhealthy way IMO.

 

[FrostedGlass]

It’s highly unlikely RA would be aware of BW’s work hours.

It’s even more unlikely RA allegedly suffering from severe psychosis would have the ability to add details to his ‘false’ confessions in order to make himself appear even more ‘guiltier’. That requires a certain amount of creativity not typically associated with severe psychosis, which by the very definition is someone who’s lost touch with reality.

JMO

I frequented a small-town drug store for years. The pharmacist knew me by name and he likely had a good idea of when I would stop in to pick up my prescriptions. He knew what time the local factories got out. One can learn about another's habits quite easily.

Either way, those confessions are a real gift to the P.
MOO

 

[AugustWest]

Applies also the Defense Attorneys (big fail there) and the State's Attorneys.

JMO

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Nov 3, 2024

The defense is paid for by the state also.

Yes they are. And they are also state actors.

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[girlhasnoname]

And how many others kept quiet? Two sketches that were not allowed in for the jury to see bring up the possibility there may have been someone else...and there is no physical evidence that says it definitely was RA in the video. Yes, he was in the vicinity at the time, but they never produced the identical clothes or anything conclusive. The gun was also a probable, but not definitive match because it was compared to a fired ss...Everything is probable...hence probable cause, which is not the standard for conviction.

IMO

RA didn't state he was in the vicinity, he admitted to being on the trails in 2017 and then on the actual MHB when confronted that a witness had seen him there in 2022.

Big difference between vicinity = nearness or physically on the same bridge.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Here's a recent video from Grey Hughes showing the movements of Abby & Libby, Richard Allen and all the witnesses. He also includes the movement of BW's white van.

If that image of RA=BG isn't identical then I'll eat my pink golf visor that I promised to do early on. Same body frame, height, everything.

Thanks for posting that @Betty P

JMO

 

[ClearAhead]

Here's a recent video from Grey Hughes showing the movements of Abby & Libby, Richard Allen and all the witnesses. He also includes the movement of BW's white van.

Excellent video, timeline is clearly explained and it works! The P needs something like this to show the jury.

It would’ve been impossible for Dr Wala or RA to know the precise times proven by Libby’s video and her health app in order to accurately correlate RA’s movements to even a rumour of BW’s white van.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

And how many others kept quiet? Two sketches that were not allowed in for the jury to see bring up the possibility there may have been someone else...and there is no physical evidence that says it definitely was RA in the video. Yes, he was in the vicinity at the time, but they never produced the identical clothes or anything conclusive. The gun was also a probable, but not definitive match because it was compared to a fired ss...Everything is probable...hence probable cause, which is not the standard for conviction.

IMO

Sketches are not evidence. RA provided a description identical to what BG is wearing on that day, on that bridge after 5 years - blue jeans and blue or black jacks, a hoodie and maybe a face covering.

I can't remember what I wore yesterday let alone 5 years ago on a random Monday. RA knew LE had the video and there were witnesses that saw him. He knew he couldn't lie.

MOO

 

[Vern]

I still don't understand why a defendant can't defend themselves with their theory of what happened.

Far fetched or not the jury will be the ones to decide that, that's what they're there for.

What am I missing?

Because a defense of SOD or SODDI using some unknown dude/dudettes would be acceptable.

Attemtping to use a SODDI whereby you toss investigated and cleared individuals under the bus is crapola. IMO.

 

[INfisherman]

And how many others kept quiet? Two sketches that were not allowed in for the jury to see bring up the possibility there may have been someone else...and there is no physical evidence that says it definitely was RA in the video. Yes, he was in the vicinity at the time, but they never produced the identical clothes or anything conclusive. The gun was also a probable, but not definitive match because it was compared to a fired ss...Everything is probable...hence probable cause, which is not the standard for conviction.

IMO

I don’t know dude. Frankly I’m tired of beating these dead horses, as it goes nowhere. I’m fine with you having an opinion different than mine. I really don’t care. Not even up to us so you win. Good job.

 

[ClearAhead]

I frequented a small-town drug store for years. The pharmacist knew me by name and he likely had a good idea of when I would stop in to pick up my prescriptions. He knew what time the local factories got out. One can learn about another's habits quite easily.

Either way, those confessions are a real gift to the P.
MOO

RA was not a pharmacist nor a pharm tech until after the murders. We don’t even know that BW frequented CVS or had a prescription.

Either RA was suffering from severe psychosis and his confessions were false OR he was adding details from his memory to make his confessions appear more believable and faking his psychosis. That leaves open the third option, his confessions were true and he is a child murderer who deserves no sympathy. Yes his confessions were a gift. It’s sad when so many excuses are made for him. He must feel that he’s one lucky guy to have such a devoted fan base.

JMO