Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #210

[Salah11]

So people who have been cleared and have no involvement should be victimised in court and that’s somehow acceptable to some?

 

[Betty P]

If that image of RA=BG isn't identical then I'll eat my pink golf visor that I promised to do early on. Same body frame, height, everything.

Thanks for posting that @Betty P

JMO

His posture, the way he holds his arms with his hands in his pockets, etc. GH doesn't miss much. The videos with maps he made when the girls were first missing were very helpful. It's a confusing crime scene and search area.

 

[Momofthreeboys]

RA was not a pharmacist nor a pharm tech until after the murders. We don’t even know that BW frequented CVS or had a prescription.

Either RA was suffering from severe psychosis and his confessions were false OR he was adding details from his memory to make his confessions appear more believable and faking his psychosis. That leaves open the third option, his confessions were true and he is a child murderer who deserves no sympathy. Yes his confessions were a gift. It’s sad when so many excuses are made for him. He must feel that he’s one lucky guy to have such a devoted fan base.

JMO

In my opinion using the term “fan base” is awful close to interpreting the judicial system as entertainment. Sports have fans. Actors and singers have fans. I don’t think everyone sees trials as entertainment.

 

[ClearAhead]

I don’t know dude. Frankly I’m tired of beating these dead horses, as it goes nowhere. I’m fine with you having an opinion different than mine. I really don’t care. Not even up to us so you win. Good job.

Thankfully beating the dead horses over and over on this forum won’t resemble the discussion within the jury room.

 

[ClearAhead]

His posture, the way he holds his arms with his hands in his pockets, etc. GH doesn't miss much.

And his slouching shoulders match with RG.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Delphi killings are 'textbook' examples of ritualistic murder, defense expert testifies

Prosecutor pushes back on new testimony during the third day of hearings on pretrial motions in Richard Allen's murder case

www.indystar.com

Elvis Fields' sister, Murphy testified, provided "very specific" information that only someone who was at the crime scene would've known. Murphy also recalled a recorded phone call between Fields and his sister, during which she blurted out, "Elvis, why did you kill those girls?"

Fields denied killing the girls when interviewed by detectives. But Murphy recounted an interaction that caught him off guard: After Fields consented to a swab test, he asked Murphy if he would get in trouble if his spit was found on the girls.

* I am gonna run, duck, & hide now.

Thanks. So for clarity, EF did not confess to murder, correct?
EF told his sister crime scene info. The sister told Murphy what she says EF told her. Murphy testified to what he heard from the sister, who heard it from EF.

 

[Boxer]

Here's a recent video from Grey Hughes showing the movements of Abby & Libby, Richard Allen and all the witnesses. He also includes the movement of BW's white van.

Absolutely. I worked out movements working the timing out myself and he had the exact same calculations -
I also figured out that the witness passed the girls at the slight bend on the trail between Mears lot and the MHB.
She walked west to FB and back to Mears without passing anyone, nor was anyone sitting on the bench at the trail junction at the Mears lot.

Ed. My meaning meaning changed by an unwanted auto correction.
"I worked out the timing" is correct.

 

[ClearAhead]

In my opinion using the term “fan base” is awful close to interpreting the judicial system as entertainment. Sports have fans. Actors and singers have fans. I don’t think everyone sees trials as entertainment.

Interesting you mention that. During the Casey Anthony trial Jeff Ashton was greeted each morning at the courthouse with a group wearing ‘Team Ashton’ tshirts, in support of the prosecution of CA. But he did not appreciate that and chastised the group saying the trial was not a sporting event. As it happened CA was found not guilty.

I think most of us here just want the trial to uncover the truth and if RA is found guilty so be it. No need for him to supported by fanciful or conspiracy-based theories.

JMO

 

[iamshadow21]

In my opinion using the term “fan base” is awful close to interpreting the judicial system as entertainment. Sports have fans. Actors and singers have fans. I don’t think everyone sees trials as entertainment.

No, but the way it's packaged, not just by many youtubers and podcasters but by elements of the mainstream media IS as entertainment.

And defendants at highly publicised trials and in prison have always had fanbases, there's no real other way to put it. Murder groupies and gore hounds who want to get close to the person in question and their alleged crimes for a variety of reasons.

Crime and punishment shouldn't be entertainment in a perfect world, but always has been in the real world. A public hanging was a fun family day out up until relatively recently.

MOO

 

[Boxer]

Unfortunately trials have often been circus.

 

[ClearAhead]

No, but the way it's packaged, not just by many youtubers and podcasters but by elements of the mainstream media IS as entertainment.

And defendants at highly publicised trials and in prison have always had fanbases, there's no real other way to put it. Murder groupies and gore hounds who want to get close to the person in question and their alleged crimes for a variety of reasons.

Crime and punishment shouldn't be entertainment in a perfect world, but always has been in the real world. A public hanging was a fun family day out up until relatively recently.

MOO

Richard Allen and Taylor Swift are fighting for front page headlines. Quite a remarkable accomplishment for a man accused of violently slashing two young teens to death. JMO

 

[Vern]

But they did - in their response to the State’s motion in limine and at the hearing. Todd Click and another LEO gave some good testimony about the third party suspects. But it’s impossible to say exactly what happened at the hearing because it wasn’t streamed/recorded, and there weren’t a lot of reporters keeping eyes on the case at that point.

Todd Click stated that try as they might, they could not place the individuals at the scene of the crime on the day of the crime.

The individuals were investigated and cleared. That's why the Franks' was "DENIED". That's why they are not supposed to be discussed on the site.

Todd Click himself has outright dismissed the Odisnism Theory.

Here's the details from Todd Click regarding the Defence taking him out of context with their allegations in the Franks Memorandum:

Officer Click - There are two things that I would like to clear up immediately though. Detective Ferency and Detective Murphy were not Rushville cops. Detective Ferency was a detective from the Terre Haute police department that was assigned to the FBI joint terrorism task force. Detective Murphy was an Indiana state police detective that was also assigned to the FBI joint terrorism task force. So the FBI was associated with the investigation until at least July 2021. Secondly, no one in law enforcement believes Abby and Libby were killed in a ritual sacrifice. That is the defense twisting facts for sensationalism. You can quote me on those two items.

TMS - Some people have suggested that while you disagree with the defense that this was a ritual murder that you have agreement with them on who is responsible. Is that something you can speak to?

Officer Click - Yes, that is accurate.

TMS - Other than the material about the cult angle can you discuss how good a job the defense did discussing the evidence against their suspects?

At the Three Day Hearings we also found out that the "other suspects" that Click refers to were investigated and ruled out - and alibied. Ergo, the Defense's Franks Motion was DENIED.

 

[AugustWest]

Not buying it. The timeline between BG/RA crossing the bridge and abducting the girls DTH is accurate literally within seconds/minutes. Building a rumour into it to fit precisely would be impossible.

Besides I’m missing the point. If Dr Wala is being accused of perjuring herself on the stand by lying about RA confessions, those are very serious allegations. And we know she’s not the only person he confessed to. JMO

The term "perjury" is often used during trials when persons should rather use the term "impeachment." When a person contradicts earlier testimony they have given or contradicts themselves while doing so, it lacks intent. Perjury requires intent.

 

[Vern]

Attorneys or Lawyers

"mere presence at the scene of a crime is usually not enough to establish guilt."

Question 1: Is this standard throughout the USA or worldwide when it comes to law?

So, this I feel means if someone is present at a crime scene - it doesn't necessarily mean they committed the crime and therefore aren't guilty of anything just by being there.

Question 2: From a legal standpoint what do you know or understand of this wording, if you don't mind, and is this something that we should all be thinking about seriously whether an attorney or not?

JMO MOO JMT

Good thing in the case of RA we're not just dealng with "being at the scene of the crime".

There's also the cartridge from his gun and myriad other circumstantial evidence and direct evidence (confessions prior to his alleged psychosis and after that too).

 

[sunshineray]

I missed this. What else did he google besides movies?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fox59.com/delphi-trial/what-google-searches-from-richard-allen-reveal/amp/

 

[sunshineray]

Not exactly. Dr Wala claimed RA made much more detailed confessions to her, compared with what he said to family.

He did, IMO

 

[sunshineray]

SCOIN has made rulings. For instance, they ruled that Gull removed the defense attorneys without authority - and reinstated the defense team, despite Gull trying to get rid of them.

Yes she should have had the hearing about their gross negligence and incompetence right at that time, in front of the cameras in the courtroom instead of trying to be consierate of their professional reputations and letting them resign. She had the authority but should have followed the process. I believe if she had the SCOIN would have backed her up 100% on that too. MO

 

[Vern]

Obviously it's not in a vacuum.

Per BM locals were saying someone with the van who lived near where the murders happened came home around that time and could have spooked the perp.

The rumour was that he came home at 3:30pm by a certain R-DoD poster ... and that rumour then spread like wildfire.

Turns out that rumour was wrong. BW was home somewhere around 2:30 pm that day according to his sworn testimony.

Surely the Defense hasn't relied on rumours from R that then made their way onto certain other social media accounts without doing some actual investigating themselves?? Maybe that's why they were so shocked at the testified to timing ...

Quite like the Franks' and their 'find' of their *ahem* Odinism Expert - way too much reliance on SM to come up with their Defense plan for them IMO.

 

[FrostedGlass]

RA was not a pharmacist nor a pharm tech until after the murders. We don’t even know that BW frequented CVS or had a prescription.

Either RA was suffering from severe psychosis and his confessions were false OR he was adding details from his memory to make his confessions appear more believable and faking his psychosis. That leaves open the third option, his confessions were true and he is a child murderer who deserves no sympathy. Yes his confessions were a gift. It’s sad when so many excuses are made for him. He must feel that he’s one lucky guy to have such a devoted fan base.

JMO

"Devoted fan base" is a very wrong assumption and it borders on insult.

Let me clear I am not his "fan". I have no feelings about him one way or another.
I am adamantly opposed to the treatment he has received and I'm appalled that it's been allowed.

 

[Arkay]

I think they were shown the treatment he endured at the prison.

Per LL multiple jurors were wiping away tears whilst watching.

With the obvious disclaimer that I am not on the jury, haven’t seen what they’ve seen and don’t know what they know, if I WERE on the jury I might be crying for an opposite reason.

I think I’d be crying at the thought that this maniacal man is the last person whom Abby and Libby ever saw.

JMO