Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #210

[minor4th]

Seems like that the attempted and failed SA would be something unique. Especially given the victim’s age/gender.
JMO

We don’t know if that really happened though.

 

[photographer4]

Looking ahead to this week, I am eagerly awaiting the prosecutors cross examination of the videos the defense has shown of RA in custody. They have said that they will do their cross once all the videos are shown.

I am still disturbed that they were not shown to the courtroom…and without sound, and without context….from the little that has been reported.

Why does that disturb you? I would be more disturbed if they HAD been shown to the courtroom. RA is not convicted. moo

 

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[Deleted member 296739]

We don’t know if that really happened though.

No but there was no obvious evidence of SA - when it might have been expected when LE said they had dna evidence and given that the victims had been undressed… moo

 

[mrjitty]

No but there was no obvious evidence of SA - when it might have been expected when LE said they had dna evidence and given that the victims had been undressed… moo

luckily the defendant explained why that was. I agree it was one of the greatest mysteries.

MOO

 

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[minor4th]

No but there was no obvious evidence of SA - when it might have been expected when LE said they had dna evidence and given that the victims had been undressed… moo

Certainly RA would have learned from his lawyers that there was no SA.

 

[Deleted member 296739]

Certainly RA would have learned from his lawyers that there was no SA.

Fair point- back to what was known when from discovery

did he take data from discovery to craft his story and confessions to match discovery

OR did his story match discovery because he was telling the truth and confessing to the crime

moo

 

[steeltowngirl]

We don’t know if that really happened though.

Libby was found nude.
Are you doubting this was attempted sexual assault?

 

[shonyakay]

I think 24/7 bright white institutional lights that never shut off for 13 months would make me crazy...it is little things that you can't begin to comprehend that add up and actually cause physical and mental problems...I am usually the first person to think someone is faking MI...not this time

It was testified to that RA had the access to turn his cell lights on or off whenever he wished.

 

[Boxer]

This is in my opinion a very important point- I think many would have assumed SA and or CSAM as part of the crime and lack of evidence of that might be something unique to the killer - just a thought- moo

Both girls were made to be naked.
Abby was then re-clothed. MOO was a sexual assault.

 

[Vern]

Imo, yes it can possibly be the result of a wide reaching conspiracy to make him appear guilty. The evidence doesn't fit RA imo so much as it has been twisted and presented to appear to fit RA. We don't even have a time of death short of sometime between when they went DTH and when they were found dead. We have not heard about stomach contents (why not?). We didn't hear about if toxicology was done (why not)? We didn't even have investigators who knew to take the sticks at the scene to the lab. Moo.

Perhaps your questions are better directed to the Defense Lawyers who felt no need to ask those questions during their opportunity.

IMO.

 

[ClearAhead]

New poster long time lurker
Can you direct me to where this was said? I have heard it reported differently and would like to compare. Thank you.

By October 13, 2022, prior to RA’s arrest, RA denied he was on the bridge to LE as well. I remember hearing that overheard comment but no idea what was the source, so many possible podcasts and tweets. Probably not significant anyway as his wife apparently supports him. JMO

BBM

Delphi murders: Suspect's confessions, denials in spotlight during trial's second week

Richard Allen repeatedly denied involvement in the 2017 killing of Abigail Williams and Liberty German before he repeatedly confessed.

www.nbcnews.com

When the investigator said the man in the video was wearing the same clothes that Allen had described, Allen replied that such an outfit is common. He’d never met the girls, Allen said.

“I can’t tell you what happened,” he said. “If that picture was taken by those girls, it’s not me. I never met them.”

“You said you were there,” the investigator responded. “You said you walked out to the bridge.”

“No, I didn’t,” Allen said, adding that his words were being “twisted.”

 

[otto]

Why does that disturb you? I would be more disturbed if they HAD been shown to the courtroom. RA is not convicted. moo

Richard Allen is on trial for nearly decapitating a teen age girl, and for fatally slicing another teenage girl's neck. These murderers were done in the context of sexually assaulting the teenagers (by his own admission).

He is presumed innocent for now, but he's acting like he is guilty, and he is overtly demonstrating that he does not want to spend the remainder of his life in a concrete box with a steel door. Essentially, he seems to be panicking about his current circumstances. After 7 years of carrying his secret that he got away with murder, he must have felt smug. Now, not so much.

Personally, I am entertained by the fact that he is so upset about the consequences of murdering two teenagers. I hope he suffers for the rest of his life.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Why does that disturb you? I would be more disturbed if they HAD been shown to the courtroom. RA is not convicted. moo

Libby and Abby were not convicted either.
They were murdered.
Yet the courtroom was able to view them, 2 children, both dead, one nude.

 

[Cyber sleuth]

We don’t know if that really happened though.

Seems RA does know though. Huh. And it matched his confessions.
Jmo

 

[minor4th]

Were those time errors typographical in nature? Anything of actual substance to the case corrected/changed? Your statements are worrying. Do you have a link please to the new and corrected document? TIA

There’s not a new and corrected document, obviously. It was a probable cause affidavit. Once the search is conducted and arrest made, you don’t go back and correct a PCA. This all came out during the 3day hearing and from some testimony during the trial. <modsnip - Rude>

 

[Deleted member 296739]

Bo

Both girls were made to be naked.
Abby Was then re-clothed. MOO was a sexual assault.

I agree that forced undressing is SA and it is also a form of control and the fact that the act of r@pe was interrupted per RA confession and physical evidence are distinct from the fact that they were forced to undress- I was referring to the fact that RA said that SA was interrupted due to getting spooked by the van (man) and not is forcing young girls to disrobe is/isnt SA - I would say that it is most definitely SA - moo

 

[Cyber sleuth]

Bo

Both girls were made to be naked.
Abby Was then re-clothed. MOO was a sexual assault.

I agree with you wholeheartedly but what was evidenced is not the type of SA evidence you would find in a typical stranger abduction.
It was unique in this crime and it was reflected in RA’s confessions to Wala.
JMO.

 

[minor4th]

How do we know Wala didn't know about it and provide it to him? Moo.

That seems as likely as anything.