Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #210

[sunshineray]

Did LE ever ask Allen what happened in the immediate hours after he left the trails?
I can't find it anywhere.

Did his wife give any sort of statement on her memories of the day and days after?
The interviews shown at trial get as far as being on the bridge and then it basically turns into a slanging match between Allen and the officers.

KA was on video/audio in the interview of RA by ISP (she had come into the room and was with RA alone). She tearfully said to her husband, (paraphrasing) you said you weren't on the bridge [that day]. I think KA also said something about the bullet?

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[steeltowngirl]

Why did the prosecution not ask the judge to turn the TV away from the gallery?

Can you provide a source to requests prosecution have or have not made regarding TV line of vision to gallery? The answer may be there.

 

[Boxer]

Can you provide a link? I recall testimony that his lights were on 24/7 and one witness said he might have had the ability to “dim” his lights, but not turn them off.

That makes sense. No lights for a person threatening suicide isnt a good idea.

 

[MassGuy]

Did LE ever ask Allen what happened in the immediate hours after he left the trails?
I can't find it anywhere.

Did his wife give any sort of statement on her memories of the day and days after?
The interviews shown at trial get as far as being on the bridge and then it basically turns into a slanging match between Allen and the officers.

This is why it was such a bad decision to remove the FBI. They would have instructed these investigators to conduct the interviews a particular way. I cannot imagine they would have recommended such a poor strategy employed here.

I think they should have used the tactic of Allen supposedly helping them, and just allow him to talk himself into trouble.

A lot of things really piss me off here but this is right up there.

 

[ClearAhead]

Did LE ever ask Allen what happened in the immediate hours after he left the trails?
I can't find it anywhere.

Did his wife give any sort of statement on her memories of the day and days after?
The interviews shown at trial get as far as being on the bridge and then it basically turns into a slanging match between Allen and the officers.

IMO this is big and what’s missing. We surely know RA is not required to prove himself innocent but for his D to refute the P’s allegations, they have to at least try to fill those empty blanks from that same day. After RA guzzled those the 3 beers and went to the trails, then what?

If the D were ready to invest all that energy to prove why SODDI surely it’s not unreasonable to expect they could attempt to prove why their dude didn’t do it, especially as he confessed a multitude of times that he did. JMO

 

[Momofthreeboys]

I just don’t understand the science behind comparing a spent cartridge to an unspent cartridge when she couldn’t obtain reproducible results from an unspent cartridge. On its face, that just seems to be flawed.

And was the exact same tests including fired rounds performed on the other suspect guns.

 

[minor4th]

And was the exact same tests including fired rounds performed on the other suspect guns.

I don’t think they tested any other guns, besides RA’s.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

I just think it's interesting how first it was RA isn't bridge guy. But now that RA probably is bridge guy, welllllllll maybe bridge guy isn't the murderer. The simplest explanation is usually right. Not some complicated thing and honestly if they wanted to really frame him up good they could have just followed him around for awhile and got his DNA off something he threw away and then planted his DNA on something from the crime scene. MOO.

Don’t give them any more ideas.

 

[Boxer]

This is why it was such a bad decision to remove the FBI. They would have instructed these investigators to conduct the interviews a particular way. I cannot imagine they would have recommended such a poor strategy employed here.

I think they should have used the tactic of Allen supposedly helping them, and just allow him to talk himself into trouble.

A lot of things really piss me off here but this is right up there.

Also big blaming of FBI for DDs lost interview.

 

[AugustWest]

If the D were ready to invest all that energy to prove why SODDI surely it’s not unreasonable to expect they would attempt to prove why their dude didn’t do it, considering he confessed a multitude of times that he did. JMO

Having to prove a negative is reasonable?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

During Oberg’s testimony, it was also revealed that Allen’s Sig Saur hadn’t been the only gun tested as a possible match for the crime scene bullet. Eight total guns have been tested in the case, including three guns in 2017 and four sent to a lab in August 2022 — around the same time police were searching the Wabash River.

Allen’s gun was the only one to come back as a match to the unspent round found between Abby and Libby.

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delphi-murders-forensic-firearms-examiner-discusses-toolmark-methodology-unspent-bullet-evidence/

 

[ClearAhead]

I don’t think they tested any other guns, besides RA’s.

That’s simply not true.

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delphi-murders-former-fire-chief-recalls-nighttime-search-for-girls-and-lack-of-sightings/

Baldwin pointed out that Weber owned a Sig Sauer, the same type of gun that Allen owned which prosecutors linked him to the murder through. But during cross-examination, Mullin revealed that Weber’s gun was collected and tested but wasn’t found to be a match for the unspent round found between the girls’ bodies.

 

[Boxer]

I just think it's interesting how first it was RA isn't bridge guy. But now that RA probably is bridge guy, welllllllll maybe bridge guy isn't the murderer. The simplest explanation is usually right. Not some complicated thing and honestly if they wanted to really frame him up good they could have just followed him around for awhile and got his DNA off something he threw away and then planted his DNA on something from the crime scene. MOO.

Agree. A screwed up man acted on impulse when presented with an opportunity.
All else follows his decision to follow through after rushing up to corner them at the end of the bridge.

 

[ClearAhead]

Having to prove a negative is reasonable?

You’re right but if not committing murder, what did RA do that day? Presenting information to refute the P’s timeline doesn’t have to be a negative.

 

[Warwick7]

These videos the jury watch, in moo, is nothing more than a man and his guilt, that has haunted him and his subconscious.

His behavior in these videos will be his downfall.

He confessed.
He was shut down and not allowed to confess by his mother and wife.

His mental torment intensifies as this story......unfolds.

In moo he tries to suppress the guilt only to descend into madness.

There are ordinary people on that jury. I feel I'm an ordinary person. If I can see this guilt.....so will the jury.

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[Davemac1]

KA was on video/audio in the interview of RA by ISP (she had come into the room and was with RA alone). She tearfully said to her husband, (paraphrasing) you said you weren't on the bridge [that day]. I think KA also said something about the bullet?

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Yes. I remember that. I was referring to a formal interview with her?
In fact, you raise another significant point.
If they had interviewed her formally and asked her if he said he went on the bridge that day, the answer would've been 'No' by the sounds of it.
Another 'Doh!' diamond from LE there.

 

[ClearAhead]

I just think it's interesting how first it was RA isn't bridge guy. But now that RA probably is bridge guy, welllllllll maybe bridge guy isn't the murderer. The simplest explanation is usually right. Not some complicated thing and honestly if they wanted to really frame him up good they could have just followed him around for awhile and got his DNA off something he threw away and then planted his DNA on something from the crime scene. MOO.

Yeah I noticed that too. With each step of way comes a brand new reason to account for why RA has been wrongly accused.

If LE really wanted to frame him, RA was given smoke breaks during his interviews. All LE would’ve had to do was tweeze away one of his discarded butts and toss it at the crime scene. Mission accomplished - there’s DNA. JMO

 

[jepop]

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delphi-murders-forensic-firearms-examiner-discusses-toolmark-methodology-unspent-bullet-evidence/

That's what I thought. Thanks for linking. Imo, it appears there are plenty of sources around( (putting aside probs with divergent reporter emphasis/ style etc in the absence of televised trial) to back up statements pertaining to the most basic facts of what was given in testimony. Which is the case here with bullet testing. As a reader on WS I want to avoid confusion on basic facts of testimony. Moo

 

[ClearAhead]

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Delphi Murder Trial Day 13: The defense's first full day of witnesses

DELPHI, Ind. (WLFI) - It was day 13 of the Delphi double homicide trial for suspect Richard Allen. Allen is accused of murdering Abigail Williams and Liberty German off a

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Baldwin pointed out that Weber owned a Sig Saur, the same type of gun that Allen owned which linked him to the murders.

During cross-examination, Mullin said that Weber’s gun was tested but wasn’t a match for the cartridge found between the girls’ bodies.

 

[cherrybier]

Yeah I noticed that too. With each step of way comes a brand new reason to account for why RA has been wrongly accused.

If LE really wanted to frame him, RA was given smoke breaks during his interviews. All LE would’ve had to do was tweeze away one of his discarded butts and toss it at the crime scene. Mission accomplished - there’s DNA. JMO

Toss it at the crime scene, 5 years later?