Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #211

[gremlin444]

So, there is a contradiction in Weber's testimony.

He said that that day he went straight home (Friday) and even yesterday on the stand, but to the juror he answered No in regards to going home before servicing his ATMS.

I feel no more questions needed to be asked because it means if he serviced his ATMs before going home - that day he never went home at the time he gave that fits in with the State's timeline.

JMO MOO JMT

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Brad Weber talked to local police and ISP so many times in the first days and weeks. His car, house, and property was searched. He volunteered and took a lie detector test. On Feb 17, he told them he had gone straight home. From what I'm reading, the only time this seems to get stated wrong in the FBI Pohl report. On interviews after that one, he said he had gone straight home. Did he misunderstand a question from the FBI--did they misinterpret an answer? Does he consider checking the computer that tracks the amount of money in the ATMs to be part of "I do something with the ATMs everyday" and they took that to mean he physically goes and works on one everyday?"

But I'd say if in all his other interviews he said he went straight home, then that's likely what he did.

 

[FromGermany1]

Today's Murder Sheet clarifies that RA's daughter said she was afraid of the bridge--not her father.

The Delphi Murders: Richard Allen on Trial: Day Fifteen: Allen's Family Speaks

Podcast Episode · Murder Sheet · 11/05/2024 · 1h 48m

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I wonder, why I would have let someone take a photo of me, sitting on the end of this scary High Bridge .... of all places, where I could have posed for a pic. MOO

 

[MiniMoo]

Prosecution cross-examined Mullin. Not only did the police chief deny feeding Weber information about the van, but Mullin stated phone records backed up Weber’s account of driving straight home after work.

Mullin said Weber handed over his Sig Sauer which was taken to the lab.

“It was determined that it was not the weapon connected to the bullet found at the scene,” Mullin said.

Delphi murders: Defense grills former police chief; witness recalls hasty nighttime search for missing girls

DELPHI, Ind. — Day 13 of the Delphi murders trial began with testimony about the mental deterioration of Richard Allen before turning to the hasty nighttime search for the missing girls and ending …

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Are these the same phone records Andrea B said he entered the police station with - without prior knowledge?!

Mullin and BW - August 2024.

 

[mrjitty]

Wala sure didn't make it easy on herself. She relayed that RA said he did something with the gun on the bridge and that is when he thought the bullet came out. Why not say RA said he thought his bullet came out at the discovery scene where it was actually found to match the evidence?

Instead they would have us believe that Wala mentioned a white van to RA that was only driven by the driver, Brad Weber, on days when he pulled his trailer, who happened to be driving down the private drive of his parents home within 15 minutes of the girls' being kidnapped off of the bridge, and which none of the above information was listed in the discovery according to LE.

Poppycock.

Agreed

Neither Wala nor the D expert know whether RAs confessions were true.

It is the White Van detail which proves he is the killer, along with the box cutter insight in support.

It's so typical that the D is trying to create yet another conspiracy that Wala is somehow part of the plan to set up RA. The evidence for this? Well she listened to podcasts. I hope the jury sees through this nonsense.

MOO

 

[MiniMoo]

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Brad Weber talked to local police and ISP so many times in the first days and weeks. His car, house, and property was searched. He volunteered and took a lie detector test. On Feb 17, he told them he had gone straight home. From what I'm reading, the only time this seems to get stated wrong in the FBI Pohl report. On interviews after that one, he said he had gone straight home. Did he misunderstand a question from the FBI--did they misinterpret an answer? Does he consider checking the computer that tracks the amount of money in the ATMs to be part of "I do something with the ATMs everyday" and they took that to mean he physically goes and works on one everyday?"

But I'd say if in all his other interviews he said he went straight home, then that's likely what he did.

But he did say to the juror he never went home without servicing his ATMs first.

That cannot be discounted or ignored.

Whoever did the initial interview - is the one we need to hear from to see what time was given.

However, the answer given to the juror more or less contradicted himself.

JMO MOO JMT

 

[jepop]

No idea, I was just speaking of my own personal impression.

It's not like the DSM V is brand new, it came out in 2013. And if she's talking about the DSM IV when she wouldn't have assessed RA earlier than a couple of years ago? Concerning.

MOO

Yeah, I agree it's concerning. I hope the jury were made aware of this concern via the cross.

 

[mrjitty]

IMO it does not actually matter what exact time BW went home in any event. We know the killer was at the crime scene for over an hour.

RA saw the van - which means he was there whenever the van went by.

 

[mrjitty]

I see Baldwin was back to his favourite topic

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[Niner]

Tuesday, November 5th:
*Trial continues (Day 16) (@ 9am ET) – IN – Abigail Joyce Williams (13) & Liberty Rose Lynn German (14) (Missing Feb. 13, 2017, found killed Feb. 14, 2017, after walking on a local hiking trail & were discovered around noon about 50 feet from the north bank of Deer Creek which is about 0.5 miles from the Monon High Bridge Trail, Delphi) – *Richard “Ricky/Rick” Matthew Allen (44 @ time of crime/50/now 52) arrested & booked (10/26/22) into the Carroll County Jail & charged & arraigned (10/28/22) with 2 counts of murder while committing or attempting to commit kidnapping of both victims. Plead not guilty. Initial bond @ $20M on 10/27/22. On 2/16/23 held with no bond.
Amended charges (on 1/18/24/granted on 3/18/24): 2 counts of felony murder (knowingly & intentionally), 2 counts of murder (while committing or attempting to commit kidnapping of both victims). Plead not guilty. Carroll County
*Transferred to White County jail from Carroll County for security reasons. And was transferred (11/2/22) to IN. DOC at Westville Correctional Facility at a more secure facility. Was awaiting transfer to Westville Correctional Facility but Judge Gull denied move (6/15/23). She plans to take the arguments under advisement & will make a ruling on whether or not he will be moved out of Westville at a later date. Judge Gull denied move (7/5/23). On 12/6/23 Allen was transferred from Westville to Wabash Valley Correctional Facility (long term segregation). Allen was booked (5/6/24) into the Allen County Jail [for hearing on 5/7/24]. Allen back (5/7/24) to Wabash Valley Correctional Facility. Judge Gull granted transfer [8/1/24] of custody to the Carroll County Sheriff [instead of IDOC] but will be held in Cass County jail until trial is over. Trial began with jury selection on 10/14/24 & ended 10/15/24.
Trial began on 10/18/24. Mondays thru Fridays from 9am to 6pm. Saturdays from 9am to noon. Prosecutors rested their case on 10/31/24. Defense began their case on 10/31/24.
*12 jurors (7 women & 5 men) & 4 alternates [3 women & 1 man]. One alternate was dismissed for a family emergency on 10/25/24. 3 Alternates left (3 women). Jury is sequestered.
Allen County Judge Frances C. Gull presiding. Carroll County Prosecutor Nicholas McLeland & Special Prosecutor James David Luttrull, Jr.
Andrew Baldwin & Bradley Rozzi are Allen’s public appointed attorneys & added Jennifer Auger [addressing the circumstances surrounding digital forensics].
Charges, case & court info from 4/19/21 thru 10/11/24 & Jury Selection Day 1-2 (10/14-10/15/24) & thru 10/16/24 & Trial Day 1-14 (10/18-11/2/24) reference post #7 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...hi-murders-richard-allen-arrested-211.728007/
11/4/24 Monday, Trial Day 15: Defense witnesses: Dr. Polly Westcott. [Westcott is a neuropsychologist based in Carmel. Her specialty was in forensic psychology & neuropsychology. Defense hired Westcott in May 2023 to assess Allen’s mental, emotional, and physical health decline while he was in Westville. Met Allen in August, 2023 & performed an evaluation]. Max Baker, IU graduate and defense intern, back to the stand [he compiled the videos of Allen while in Westville. Video #1 was an hour & twenty minutes long & Video #2 was 26 minutes long]. Brad Weber. Shelby Hicks. [Hicks says she is a realtor & was 23 years old in 2017. She tells the jury on Feb. 13, 2017, she took her car in for repair & went for a hike with her boyfriend. She says they got to the trails around 2:30pm & parked in connector lot]. Steve Mullin, Prosecutor's investigator. Jaime Jones, Allen’s half-sister. Brittney Zapanta, Allen’s daughter.
For more info see post #36 (Day 15 blog) here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...ders-richard-allen-arrested-211.728007/page-2
Trial continues on Tuesday, 11/5/24 @ 9am.

 

[Warwick7]

Delphi murders trial: Psychologist said suspect had distorted reality during prison confessions

Richard Allen's sister and daughter also took the stand on Monday afternoon.

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“The day's last witness was Brad Weber, who also testified earlier in the trial. He previously said he went straight home after work the day the girls were murdered.

Monday he changed his story and told defense attorneys that in 2017 he told police he went to various ATMs after his shift at the local Subaru plant.

Weber says police searched his land, buildings, house, and car. He says he was also questioned many times about the case. He admitted he told different stories to different investigators over the years.”

Ahuh. So he has no credibility either it seems. Least not to me. Mooo.

"Prosecution cross-examined Mullin. Not only did the police chief deny feeding Weber information about the van, but Mullin stated phone records backed up Weber’s account of driving straight home after work."

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delphi-murders-former-fire-chief-recalls-nighttime-search-for-girls-and-lack-of-sightings/

 

[Warwick7]

Richard Allen's sister and daughter say he never molested them, despite confession | Day 15 of Delphi murders trial

Seven years after Libby German and Abby Williams were killed, the trial continues for the man accused of murdering them.

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Brad Weber talked to local police and ISP so many times in the first days and weeks. His car, house, and property was searched. He volunteered and took a lie detector test. On Feb 17, he told them he had gone straight home. From what I'm reading, the only time this seems to get stated wrong in the FBI Pohl report. On interviews after that one, he said he had gone straight home. Did he misunderstand a question from the FBI--did they misinterpret an answer? Does he consider checking the computer that tracks the amount of money in the ATMs to be part of "I do something with the ATMs everyday" and they took that to mean he physically goes and works on one everyday?"

But I'd say if in all his other interviews he said he went straight home, then that's likely what he did.

BBM
This is extremely important, because it goes back to the Pohl report. And I think you nailed it perfectly.

 

[INfisherman]

BBM
This is extremely important, because it goes back to the Pohl report. And I think you nailed it perfectly.

Sounds to me like some may be on to Baldwin (the chuckles).

….and to add in support of your ideas:

“Why were you upset with me last time you were here in court,” Baldwin asked.

“I was upset because you were trying to tell me what I did,” Weber said of Baldwin’s attempt to impeach him previously.

Weber testified he spoke to law enforcement “multiple times.” On one occasion, shortly after the murders, they stopped him on his driveway and searched his car and then his home,” he said. They also gave him a lie detector test, he testified.

Baldwin attempted to impeach Weber again, saying he did not go straight home on Feb. 13, 2017. Baldwin said Weber told law enforcement he went to “service his ATM machines.”

Baldwin asked how often Weber services his ATM machines.

“I do something with ATMS every day,” Weber said. “I look at the computer to see where they sit money-wise. I can sit at home and look it up on the computer.

Weber testified that Mullin reached out to him in August to speak. He was not asked to go to the police station but to another location.

“Can I refresh your memory,” Baldwin asked, giving Weber his deposition to review.

“Is it up to me?’ Weber asked, drawing a chuckle from jurors and those in the courtroom.

Weber said he told Mullen that he drove his van to work and dropped off a trailer. “When I finished with work, I drove home,” he said.

Once home, he said he “probably smoked a cigarette, relaxed a little,” and then “took a nap.” At 5 p.m., law enforcement woke him by knocking on his door, he said.

Neuropsychologist: Allen suffered Major Depressive Disorder with psychosis - Carroll County Comet

Richard Allen suffers from “major depressive disorder with psychosis,” according to Dr. Polly Westcott, a clinical neuropsychologist hired by the Defense to evaluate Allen at Westville Correctional Facility. Monday, Allen entered Carroll County Circuit Court carrying a Bible, which he showed to...

www.carrollcountycomet.com

 

[mrjitty]

"Prosecution cross-examined Mullin. Not only did the police chief deny feeding Weber information about the van, but Mullin stated phone records backed up Weber’s account of driving straight home after work."

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delphi-murders-former-fire-chief-recalls-nighttime-search-for-girls-and-lack-of-sightings/

I just don't see any way around this

I agree that the defence Psych expert goes to reliability. But we have an external data point in the van which proves beyond doubt, IMO, that RA was there. Neither the expert, nor Dr Wala can know if RA was being truthful, though they can speak to reliability.

IMO the defence is yet again resorting to wild speculation to attempt to discredit the van admission. There is simply no evidence Wala feed RA any info, or was working to get RA convicted. If anything she appeared sympathetic IMO.

There is also no convicing evidence that BW was late home, and even if he was, so what? RA still knew about the van - which only the killer can know. Unless of course you resort to wild speculation that somehow this obscure fact was embedded in his confession by Dr Wala because reasons.

No.

MOO.

 

[shonyakay]

Richard Allen's sister and daughter say he never molested them, despite confession | Day 15 of Delphi murders trial

Seven years after Libby German and Abby Williams were killed, the trial continues for the man accused of murdering them.

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Delphi Murders trial: Day 15 live blog

Follow Day 15 in the trial of Richard Allen, accused of murdering two girls in Delphi. Stay updated with our live blog for the latest developments.

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Brad Weber talked to local police and ISP so many times in the first days and weeks. His car, house, and property was searched. He volunteered and took a lie detector test. On Feb 17, he told them he had gone straight home. From what I'm reading, the only time this seems to get stated wrong in the FBI Pohl report. On interviews after that one, he said he had gone straight home. Did he misunderstand a question from the FBI--did they misinterpret an answer? Does he consider checking the computer that tracks the amount of money in the ATMs to be part of "I do something with the ATMs everyday" and they took that to mean he physically goes and works on one everyday?"

But I'd say if in all his other interviews he said he went straight home, then that's likely what he did.

Also, Mullin testified that phone records show Brad Weber went straight home from work.

 

[mrjitty]

When this ends, we can always go through and compare notes. Then, in the very end, maybe some of the podcasters can pitch in to buy the trial transcripts and publish them. There lies the truth.

Sure I agree.

But simply pointing to the raw scores doesn't mean anything in this context.

From my side, the only ruling i think the D could be justifiably upset about on an appeal is ruling out the catfisher as SODDI, as i think that meets the standard. But on the other hand, they barely bothered to make a case for it ever. So it would be a huge irony if that ends up getting them a new trial.

MOO

 

[shonyakay]

But he did say to the juror he never went home without servicing his ATMs first.

That cannot be discounted or ignored.

Whoever did the initial interview - is the one we need to hear from to see what time was given.

JMO MOO JMT

Snipped: The same could be said about Richard Allen's confessions. However, the state has direct and circumstantial evidence against RA.

They cannot be discounted or ignored.

Wala is the one who RA gave the detailed confession so she would be better suited to opine RA's behavior / demeanor.


Sidenote:
I posted a couple of days ago that I believed the State must have had evidence that prevented BW from being impeached. We now know phone records show BW went straight home after work.

RA is guilty and I hope he gets Life without the possibility of parole.

 

[mrjitty]

If I recall early on LE said there was one tower that services the entire area in and around Delphi. If I recall they acquired cell phone numbers that connected to that tower. It sounded to me like they could no no triangulation of some of the things you hear about in more urban areas but I've been perplexed why no digital data at all came in from prosecution. Someone who remembers hopefully will chime in.

As far as I can tell it was simply used for investigative purposes but has no evidential value. That doesn't surprise me, as I never thought the killer would be dumb enough to have a turned on phone with him. Instead phone records and device have simply been used for context. eg, what time was a message received.

However I can quite surprised neither side has produced any record so far for RA's phone. I predicted before the trial that it wasn't in the geofence. That was obvious.

But is there simply no data at all for it? Or does that data not exist anymore?

My guess is it doesn't exist.

 

[girlhasnoname]

The Neuro Psychologist that testified yesterday on behalf of the Defense is being paid $450 per hour. That's more than R&B combined. I bet that is where the bulk of their gimmie money fund went. Approx 12 min mark. For all those that trash on TMS, they brought up good points about the Defense, even Rozzi. Not afraid to give credit where credit is due and to me that means unbiased reporting unlike some of the YTers and Cranks.

The Delphi Murders: Richard Allen on Trial: Day Fifteen: Allen's Family Speaks

MOO

 

[katydid23]

Where did you read he didn’t have his phone? Was he not looking at the stock ticker… on his phone? Or had this changed now? Pls link if there’s more info I’m missing so I can catch up!

I don’t think he needed to call anyone as there wasn’t a problem to solve if he’s not guilty. Moo.

IF RA had his phone up on the bridge, to watch the stock ticker, I bet the defense is going to put up a phone expert next to tell us what time RA left the trails and drove home. Or did I miss that testimony?

 

[mrjitty]

RSBM.

I don't recall anyone else noticing that tidbit of Branches vs. Sticks, but I certainly did.

I brought it up in the below post under the "line" comments. Glad that somene else noticied it too so now I know that it wasn't just me and my imagination!

Post in thread 'Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #208'

Oct 31, 2024

Looks like I've missed a very busy and exciting day on this thread.

No way to really catch up over 40+ pages, so skimmed every 2nd page and I come away with this take:

Hook: (Just a piece that nagged at my brain and hit me today while I travelled to Fredericton)
Richard Allen's Interview on 26 October 2022:

Allen, again, says there is no way a round from his gun was anywhere near the girls or the bridge.

***Why bring "the bridge" up Rick? No one knew about the full audio contents from the video taken by the girls on 26...

• Vern

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This might explain why the D used the Franks to build a public narrative about the sticks & rune stuff. They knew Rick had confessed to covering the body with branches so needed to get in front of a lot of stuff. There was no reason for any of that crime scene stuff to have been in the franks, and we now know the intentionally didn't include all the awkward problems for their theory.