VERDICT WATCH Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #214

[gregjrichards]

I can’t imagine the stress Abby and Liberty’s loved ones must be under waiting for a verdict.

 

[TexLil]

Jury looks like they’re loading into the vans now.
#Delphi

https://twitter.com/x/status/1855335151871443233

 

[justtrish]

And they started a hour later at 10am

I'm actually not sure if they started later either. The defense and RA arrived closer to 10 because the jury wanted to see the interrogation and Libby's video, but wasn't the WishTV reporting saying the jury arrived at 8:57?

 

[arielilane]

@BobSegallWTHR

No verdict today in #Delphi. Jurors are now leaving after more than 5 additional hours of reviewing evidence & testimony. Deliberations scheduled to resume Monday.

2:04 PM · Nov 9, 2024

 

[detectivewannab]

Question: February 13th, 2017 was a Monday. Was there a reason the girls were not in school?

 

[SleutherGirl]

I read somewhere, perhaps on Websleuths during another trial, that a rule of thumb is one hour of deliberation per day of testimony (or trial, I'm not sure). It was 18 days, that's 18 hours of deliberation. Even if they were going 8 hours a day that's still 2 days. And they haven't been going anywhere near that.

 

[arielilane]

@KylaBRussell

#UPDATE: The jury has left the Carroll County Courthouse. Still no verdict.



2:43 PM · Nov 9, 2024

 

[arielilane]

@kithanleytv

#NEW: our team in #Delphi says the jury is leaving the courthouse.



2:46 PM · Nov 9, 2024

 

[BUF]

JMO, but if I were a juror at this trial, I would want to see RA before he was arrested in that interrogation video again to see his demeanor, they way he answered questions, and hear his voice again. I would definitely want to see and hear Libby’s video (maybe multiple times) before making my final decision.

They are actually ahead on the estimated trial date ending Nov 15, so no rush to make this important decision.

 

[fcavanaugh]

Honestly I think that there are going to be major differences in opinion and if things are deadlock to the point that a juror(s) is being inflexible- I’d personally want to cut it short too- 12 hrs of “did not/did too!”

Bickering would make things stressful and more difficult to eventually come to an agreement- I think juries tend to be willing to put in longer hours if they are making progress-

Another consideration is the nature and severity of what they’ve heard these last 3 weeks and might not be able to mentally/emotionally deal with the deliberations for hours on end

I don’t know- moo

Good thoughts. I’m thinking there wasn’t a unanimous Guilty/Not Guilty vote after the first day of deliberations and either one or two jurors, possibly more, need more time/convincing from whichever side is majority. If someone/s can’t be convinced/won’t budge sooner than later, we’ll see a hung Jury declared.

Looking at the the poll here and discussion on the thread, my guess is the majority of the Jury vote is Guilty and those are trying to convince one or more jurors.

IMHOO

 

[arielilane]

2:42 P.M.: DELIBERATION ENDS FOR SATURDAY; UNCLEAR IF VERDICT REACHED​

The jury in the Delphi Murders trial have left the courthouse following the third day – or second full day – of deliberations.

News 8’s Kyla Russell says jurors were seen loading into vans and leaving the courthouse. It was unclear if they’ve reached a verdict.

Deliberation continues 9 a.m. Monday.

Delphi Murders trial: Day 20 live blog

Delphi Murders trial continues with jury deliberations on Day 20. Richard Allen faces charges for the murders of Abby Williams and Libby German.

www.wishtv.com

 

[katydid23]

Question: February 13th, 2017 was a Monday. Was there a reason the girls were not in school?

It was a 'off school day' --- IIRC, it was either a teacher staff day needed, no students, or some scheduling thing like that.

 

[steeltowngirl]

I think the Holeman interview is one of the strongest pieces of evidence in RA’s favor.

It is also one of the only ways for the jury to hear RA. They also asked for the BG video. I wonder if they are reviewing the DTH audio (albeit so short). They could be comparing voices. Did they hear the phone calls to his wife and mother during the trial?

jmo

 

[Arkay]

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My prediction: Monday, they will reconvene, review, fill out the paperwork, stay for lunch and render a verdict.

I hope so, as well, but we discussed awhile ago that it seems the court may be closed for Veterans Day.

Personally I would have liked to have seen a quick “guilty” verdict. There hasn’t been, but neither has there been a quick “not guilty” verdict.

I agree if they were a hung jury at this point, they would have been dismissed and a new trial scheduled.

There may be a majority trying to swing a minority, OR this attentive jury may be diligently reviewing everything because they understand the importance of their verdict.

We have no choice but to wait, even though we are all so invested in the outcome.

I hope there is no mistrial because it would be more agony for the German and Williams families.

JMO

HAPPY VETERANS DAY to @Vern and all our veterans here.

 

[Skigh]

Question: February 13th, 2017 was a Monday. Was there a reason the girls were not in school?

All the schools had a day off.

 

[arielilane]

dbm

 

[Boxer]

It was a

Question: February 13th, 2017 was a Monday. Was there a reason the girls were not in school?

A snow day not used, so given as a holdiay.

 

[M. Kay]

I’m not sure if my bathrooms and window sills have been this clean since procrastinating finals in graduate school- stress cleaning as we wait!

same here, same sill

 

[Megnut]

Can someone explain why the phone tower pings were not included in the case?
I know the wild out there will explain it was because a gang of paganists with police connections were slicing up little girls at the back of the woods.
But what was the real reason?

The Defense intended to use that data spuriously, as evidenced by their motions, to turn witnesses into perpetrators.

The biggest hole in the phone tower dump IMO is the absence of RA's phone. Of course some will say that's conformation he wasn't there, but or only shows that his phone wasn't.. And why would that be? Especially when he himself claimed to have been on his phone? That would have been the easiest way to exculpate him -- if it existed, if it were accurate, if it put him there magically from noon to 1:30 and sonewhere else after. It doesn't. It likely says his phone wasnt there at all, at any of the times.

Which the Defense didn't want to elicit under oath because the State would be all over that. Plenty of hood reasons murderers leave their phones behind.

And the State didn't need to make the point. IIRC the Defense did, in their opening statement, that there was no digital evidence tying him to the crime scene (also brought out on either Defense cross or Defense direct). The jury can connect that dot. His phone wasn't there. What that says or doesn't say, they can weigh.

Beyond that, there's just not much help from the tower dump.

From 1 until 4, there just weren't that many phones there and eventually they were all accounted for.

By 4, you've got park-goers that are in no way connected to anything, nearby neighbors who live there and so do their phones, and early searchers, bringing in theirs.

Fluke of flukes, in RA's favor for committing a crime in broad daylight and against two terrified little girls who had nowhere to turn, there was no one around at 2:14. Absolute echo chamber.

We can't know whether there was screaming or not. RA says there was. There well could have been. RL was gone, at the fish store iirc. The W family was away. BW was driving home from work. BB had just gotten in her car and left. Old guy with the camera maybe hadn't arrived yet, FSG might have been inside, doing his exterminator job, and the later walkers hasn't yet arrived.

If a child screams in a forest, and no one hears it, does it make a sound? Only three people were DTH. He says he heard screams so maybe he did. The girls can't tell us.

It just remains how absolutely dreadful it had to be, that for a sliver in time, at 2:14 until about 2:28 there was no one around who could stop this. Just RA unfettered. And he wasn't stopping for nobody.

Whatever happened, unless RA chooses to tell more someday, only the trees know.

Frankly, I'm okay if RA is forever haunted by what he did, in his ears, before his eyes. Indeed, does a good person kill two little girls?

No.

JMO

 

[fred&edna]

I believe Saturdays were always short.

That was my thinking, also.

jmo