VERDICT WATCH Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #214

[INfisherman]

Just a question whike we await a verdict --

Could RA have walked home? Returned for his car outside of the range of CCTV viewing, even after dark?

He could have told KA he was looking at fishes and fell in the creek, didn't want to get the car dirty....

JMO

A question - walk home still muddy & bloody?

 

[Davemac1]

Just a question whike we await a verdict --

Could RA have walked home? Returned for his car outside of the range of CCTV viewing, even after dark?

He could have told KA he was looking at fishes and fell in the creek, didn't want to get the car dirty....

JMO

Don't know about walking home.
But if he fell in the creek, he'd probably need an ambulance to get there!!!

 

[Warwick7]

the defence are required to provide ZERO evidence of anything!

In my opinion that was the point, the defense wanted to provide evidence.

And at each request Gull took it under consideration what the defense stated.
Then each time Gull ruled, that the attorneys have failed to produce admissible evidence related to Odinism.

 

[Davemac1]

Do you guys think it's possible the sticks were used to move Libby?

I seen a video where a stretcher was made out of sticks.

<modsnip: Innocent person doesn't need their name popping up in crime related searches>

 

[KentuckyMama]

A question - walk home still muddy & bloody?

Remind me how far that walk was and was there a wooded or high grass area at least most of the way? If there was blood, he could have covered it in mud to hide it.

 

[Niner]

latest update...

Delphi Murders trial: Day 20 live blog

Delphi Murders trial continues with jury deliberations on Day 20. Richard Allen faces charges for the murders of Abby Williams and Libby German.

www.wishtv.com

12:04 p.m.: Jury still in deliberation​

In an update from News 8’s Kyla Russell, jurors were still in deliberation around noon Saturday.


The jury have until 4 p.m. Saturday to deliberate at the Carroll County courthouse. If they are unable to reach a verdict Saturday, discussions will continue Monday.

 

[INfisherman]

Common sense, logic, and critical thinking goes a long way.

SBM for focus.

Unfortunately, those 3 things are missing much of the time, either individually or collectively.

Kind of frightening.

BTW, great post & I tend to see what you’re generally seeing.

JMO

 

[MassGuy]

Do you guys think it's possible the sticks were used to move Libby?

I seen a video where a stretcher was made out of sticks.

No. The sticks are on top of the body, don’t appear to be attached to one another, and they are much too thin to support any weight.

Besides that it’s completely pointless. She was only moved a matter of feet, and that would simply require someone to drag her body using her arms or legs.

That would be no problem for a guy like Allen.

 

[INfisherman]

Remind me how far that walk was and was there a wooded or high grass area at least most of the way? If there was blood, he could have covered it in mud to hide it.

We do know he had a propensity for smearing things on himself, so yeah he could have used some mud….or…..

JMO

ETA He/We

Also, I have no clue how far he walked - would have to research with Google maps/earth & it’s football time! LOL

 

[Warwick7]

I was getting worried that deliberations that go long indicate a not guilty verdict or a hung jury, but apparently it’s not always so. It took a California jury seven days to convict Scott Peterson of murder in the death of his wife, Laci, and their unborn son.

Some length of jury deliberations examples in this article:

Can you predict a verdict based on length of jury deliberations? [2024]

Is the length of jury deliberations an accurate predictor of verdicts in criminal trials? Learn more about the length of deliberations and hung juries.

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THIS is good to remember!!!!

 

[RemarkableYou]

I am really conflicted on this trial. I am normally gung ho for the prosecution in cases, but so much doesn't fit for me in this trial. And if this is the wrong person that isn't justice for Abby and Libby. I do want justice for Abby and Libby and that means the true killer needs to be convicted and I'm very unsure he is the right person.

 

[KentuckyMama]

He do know he had a propensity for smearing things on himself, so yeah he could have used some mud….or…..

JMO

Good Lord! I just spit tea on my tablet laughing! Thank you for that. I needed that laugh today. You are absolutely correct.

 

[NoeticSoul]

He do know he had a propensity for smearing things on himself, so yeah he could have used some mud….or…..

JMO

Or a quick rinse off in the creek perhaps?

 

[KentuckyMama]

Dbm

 

[Megnut]

One thing RA didn't say, but I wonder about -- if he was spooked twice that day.

Once, by the van.

And a possible second time, perhaps by searchers -- voices calling out.

Maybe the branches don't make total sense because he wasn't done. Perhaps he was, in fact, building a frame work of sorts. No time, no shovel to bury what he'd done so he could have been building up. In order ultimately to bury them up in a grave of branches, sticks and leaves, leaving them completely obscured from view.

Ran out of time. Something he couldn't have known (if a random crime with random victims) -- how quickly searchers would mobilize. He wouldn't have known they'd be missed/noticed at 3:01.

Left them mostly uncovered because of it, then shifted to the challenge of getting back to car unseen. So close too.

Had he been arrested in 2017, all these conspiracies would have had very short legs.

Despite the delay and the noise -- it's a pretty simple story -- crime of opportunity, man with a mental health history, day drinking, SA driven, murder to cover it up. All within an hour of abduction.

The horror is complicated. The case isn't.

JMO

 

[steeltowngirl]

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New ribbons & signs of support on storefronts & city poles in Delphi as the families await a jury verdict.The colors used were among Abby & Libby’s favorite.

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[TTF14]

I am really conflicted on this trial. I am normally gung ho for the prosecution in cases, but so much doesn't fit for me in this trial. And if this is the wrong person that isn't justice for Abby and Libby. I do want justice for Abby and Libby and that means the true killer needs to be convicted and I'm very unsure he is the right person.

You're not alone.

 

[Diddian]

It’s all about context. This guy doesn’t strike me as one with a wide circle of friends (if he had any), and coworkers aren’t likely to have seen anything that set off alarm bells.

I tend to be very observant when it comes to people, but I worked closely with a guy twelve plus hours a day, five or more days a week for a couple years (he was my boss), and never saw it coming when he was arrested for horrible sex crimes against children.

If I don’t trust my own judgement, I sure as hell wouldn’t trust the judgment of people who interacted with Allen probably far less than I did.

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Ann Rule worked side by side with Ted Bundy on a suicide hotline and never suspected he was a serial sexual assaulter and murderer. We see those regularly around us in the context in which we regularly see them. I would guess that only a co-worker who ALREADY (before the murders of AW and LG) thought RA a suspicious character would suspect him after the murders and might be looking for clues (changed appearance or behavior).

 

[Warwick7]

Because the large log was between Libby and the creek thereby mostly blocking her from being seen by anyone on the other side of the creek IMO.

Great thinking.

 

[Boxer]

Ann Rule worked side by side with Ted Bundy on a suicide hotline and never suspected he was a serial sexual assaulted and murderer. We see those regularly around us in the context in which we regularly see them. I would guess that only a co-worker who ALREADY (before the murders of AW and LG) thought RA a suspicious character would suspect him after the murders and might be looking for clues (changed appearance or behavior).

There were coworkers who thought him unpleasant, creepy - but MOO that isnt unusual enough to spark suspicion.