GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #215

[shonyakay]

Is KS the one, who has earned the big reward now?? After all, without her thorough work we wouldn't be, where we are: at the end of a trial.

I sure hope so.

Kathy Shank must have been the one who that state representative was speaking of when he talked about the tip going to the person who helped lead to the arrest of Richard Allen.

Most here thought he was talking about someone who tipped in RA, before we knew about Shank.

 

[katydid23]

Watching Bob's video, every guy on it could be BG! I don't know much about the demographic in Delphi and surrounds but the men seem to dress the same. Moo.

Except 'every guy' in Delphi did not admit to being on the bridge at same time the girls were. And there was only one guy on that bridge at that time.

 

[mrjitty]

Detective Vito testified at the three day hearings that KAK and his father's phones were in use in Peru at the time of killings.

IMO this is likely why the D has displayed almost zero interest in this suspect over the past 2 years. IMO his exclusion might be a great appeal issue, but likely a terrible trial strategy. End of the day, you need someone who looks like Bridge Guy *


* no juror is going to fall for the Bridge Guy Innocence project IMO.

MOO

 

[snarast]

Detective Vito testified at the three day hearings that KAK and his father's phones were in use in Peru at the time of killings.

That is not bullet proof. At all. I haven’t seen the evidence, though, I just hope people realise that you can monitor and control your phone remotely, if you want to. You can set up a script that will execute commands at specific times - and that’s just the simplest stuff.

Throw in some randomizations of browser history, and I bet it can get pretty convincing.

The tools are readily available.

IMHO

 

[katydid23]

IMO they didn't say as KA didn't end up testifying, and they obviously weren't going to put RA on the stand.

Moo.

If the defense is certain that RA's confessions were all phoney and just happened because he was psychotic, and id Dr Wala lied and made up his confession, would it have been important to have RA day that to the jury?

I think If RA told the jury that he never told Wala any of those things, about him being an alcoholic and having sick thoughts and of course, the story about killing the girls---that would have been very powerful testimony, IMO

I know, I know---defendants are not required to testify. But he confessed over 60 times. I think it might have done some damage.

 

[shonyakay]

That is not bullet proof. At all. I haven’t seen the evidence, though, I just hope people realise that you can monitor and control your phone remotely, if you want to. You can set up a script that will execute commands at specific times - and that’s just the simplest stuff.

Throw in some randomizations of browser history, and I bet it can get pretty convincing.

The tools are readily available.

IMHO

Vito testified KAK was looking at in Peru on his phone that day.

 

[mrjitty]

Except 'every guy' in Delphi did not admit to being on the bridge at same time the girls were. And there was only one guy on that bridge at that time.

Bravo Katy! I've always been frustrated by the "everyone dresses that way" argument.

If there is a robber caught on surveillance in a bank heist with a blue jacket, and you admit to being in the bank at that time with a similar jacket - that narrows the frame on you as a piece of circumstantial evidence. it is irrelevant who else has a blue jacket. Of course if you were wearing a Colts jacket, which is more specific, that would be even more incriminating. But it still is incriminating, even if it is a common jacket, because it rules you in.

MOO

 

[katydid23]

Judge won't know the count though. Moo

I think the judge does ask the foreman what the count is---not necessarily if it is for G or NG----but more so is it 6 vs 6, or is it 10 vs 2? If it is 6 vs 6 then they are seriously divided and it might not ever become unanimous. But 11-1 0r 10-2---there is room for resolution.

 

[snooptroop88]

I see a lot of people commenting on the holster idea. Just because RA said he uses a holster doesn't mean he is not BG. RA probably also doesn't usually wear a scarf over his face in unseasonably nice weather, but the idea would be that he did things very differently on this fateful day.

One thing I am wondering is about him saying he only carried his gun while going fishing or mushroom hunting. Why would that be? Probably because he is in remote areas, and perhaps by himself, I would guess. But he was in a remote area and by himself Feb 13, the day he was on the trails, so why (supposedly) would RA not have had his gun that day?

Just noting, I do believe he had his gun that day. It is the exact opposite of what he told LE. He told them he had a phone and no gun. In reality, moo, he had a gun and no phone.

 

[snarast]

Vito testified KAK was looking at *advertiser censored* in Peru on his phone that day.

It proves nothing IMHO. But I guess it’s something, and no one has placed KAK on the trails.

However - He weighed a lot less on 2017 than now, I have come to know, so he wasn’t as recognizable at the time. Meaning he is not impossible as BG.

IMHO

 

[katydid23]

I think we didn’t hear anything further about it at trial bc JG refused to allow certain things into the trial - which included any mention of Odins: “Wednesday’s court order says that it would not allow Odinism into court as the argument”

Delphi murders suspect cannot use Odinism defense, judge says

The attorneys for Delphi murders suspect Richard Allen will not be allowed to make claims that the murders are tied to an Odinistic sacrifice.

www.wishtv.com

The D filed another motion shortly after the trial began seeking to have this allowed, and again were denied:

“In a new filing Oct. 23, the defense is again asking permission to tell the jury about the theory.”

Here's what happened in the Delphi murders trial

A jury found Richard Allen guilty of murdering Abby Williams and Libby German. Here is what happened each day of the trial.

www.wthr.com

I am of the belief that we didn’t hear more about it or the issues with the guards because JG refused to allow it for whatever reason - mooooo.

Regarding the issue of blood on AW’s body -
Was there testimony to say whether the blood absorbed by the hoodie she was found wearing was entirely her own? Genuine question because if that was established, I missed it. I am googling but maybe someone knows off hand?

Judge G gave her reasons for not being able to discuss the Odinist threatening guards---1 was because they did not have any admissible evidence of said death threats to his family. IN FACT, there were 24/7 cameras upon RA---so did the D ever get any footage of any of the evil Odinists threatening RA into confessing? There must be some footage since there are cameras everywhere. If there was evidence of this gang of White Power Nazis threatening RA, where is it?

 

[sunshineray]

Well if Wala is the one who said RA said he went out to the bridge, I can’t assign any weight to it given how incredibly unprofessional and unethical she was:

“Wala told the court she is no longer at the Department of Corrections.

She admitted that she was familiar with the Richard Allen case. She said she followed the discussions on Facebook, on podcasts, and online. She told Rozzi her interest grew as time went on.”

Delphi Murders Trial: Day 11 | Prison psychologist says Allen made multiple confessions

Allen's former prison psychologist said she advised Allen not to talk about the case but at some point, began receiving confessions from Allen regarding the killings.

www.wrtv.com

Further, if he did something with his gun at the bridge, as Wala noted, then why was no bullet found at the bridge?

“Holeman suggests Allen encountered the girls, that they made him angry, and Allen racked the gun to scare them, ejecting the cartridge.”

Interrogation video shows Delphi suspect get defensive toward investigators

wsbt.com

Either because he was on a bridge and it flew off wherever, it landed on the bridge and he picked it up or the chamber was empty and the bullet stayed in the gun when he racked it on the bridge. The second and third of those could account for the bullet at the crime scence Ground Zero, IMO. Either from falling out of his pocket or he racked the chambered gun ejecting the bullet chambered on the bridge.

As far as Dr. Wala, IMO, she had no reason to lie on the stand about what RA told her or said in her presence, IMO. She was actually his advocate and had professional concern about him as well as giving him good advice about talking to his attorneys. I don't believe everyone he's ever come across is part of a conspiracy to frame him. MO

I will add that RA asked his wife, on one of the phone calls played at trial, if she thought he could trust his attorneys. He also mentioned his attorneys playing good cop/bad cop (the Reid technique) on him (believe on of the prison guards testified to that statement). That's a heck of a thing to do to your mentally upset client. AJMO

The Delphi Murders: Richard Allen on Trial: Day Twelve: The Phone Calls

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The Delphi Murders: Richard Allen on Trial: Day Ten: The Voice of Richard Allen

We discuss the tenth day of Richard Allen's trial. We viewed tapes of Allen's interviews with Tony Liggett, Steve Mullin, and Jerry Holeman, and we heard from many, many correctional officers about the confessions they heard from Allen. Support The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here...

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[katydid23]

Bbm. I'm not sure this could be proven unless it was captured on tape. Pretty tough for guards to admit something like that, I can't see how they would rat on one another? MOO.

So if there is no evidence of those death threats by the guards, how is it going to be testified to in a murder trial? How can a Judge allow the accusations if there is no evidence it is real?

 

[mrjitty]

Vito testified KAK was looking at *advertiser censored* in Peru on his phone that day.

Something i think might be a bit obscure for lay people is the prosecution is not required to disprove every speculative suspect the D can come up with. These cases have 1000s of tips!

There needs to be enough substance to an alt suspect to raise a reasonable doubt.

That said, I do wonder if an appeal court will have an ear for this suspect

IMO

 

[cherrybier]

I think the judge does ask the foreman what the count is---not necessarily if it is for G or NG----but more so is it 6 vs 6, or is it 10 vs 2? If it is 6 vs 6 then they are seriously divided and it might not ever become unanimous. But 11-1 0r 10-2---there is room for resolution.

Ah OK, I didn't think they were allowed to do that.

 

[Davemac1]

I just find it strange they never got him off the bridge at the important time in question, and he went out on to platform 1 and seemingly vanished off the face of the earth for many hours. Even his own wife couldn't give him an alibi for later that day. All quite Suss!!
Mmoo

Unfortunately,it's where the passage of time from the event to his actual arrest did him a lot of favours.
If they'd followed up that tip correctly I'm pretty sure we would have heard a lot more from his associates and neighbours.
"What sort of time did he arrive home?"
"How was his demeanor at work?"
"Was he visiting his local bar more than normal. What was he saying to fellow drinkers?"
Etc.etc
But when it's 5 years later,asking those sort of question will unlikely bear any fruit.
However,I do think his wife would know much better the events of the pre and following days even after the long gap.
I'd like to know how it came about him going to LE in the first place?
Did he tell her he was going/went on the trails prior to going, later that day during dinner or when a picture of a person police wanted to speak to that looked suspiciously like him?

 

[cherrybier]

So if there is no evidence of those death threats by the guards, how is it going to be testified to in a murder trial? How can a Judge allow the accusations if there is no evidence it is real?

Yeah I'm trying to see it from both sides. The D would need a tape, no guard is going to admit they threatened an inmate's family. Did the warden say the videos from the prison had audio or not, I can't recall. Moo.

 

[katydid23]

I could say the same about MS but I don't think they're in any circle, which greatly annoys them. Moo.

MS was not caught out on a discord channel, talking with a group about trying to get their hands on the jurors questionnaires so they could dox them and find dirt on them. I don't even know that it didn't end up happening.

If the jurors vote GUILTY, and then suddenly the D comes forward and says one of the jurors lied about something, like didn't admit they were a crime victim, or had an LE family member or something, then I guess we will see if they followed through or not.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Let Today Be THE DAY #Justice4Abby&Libby​

 

[girlhasnoname]

I physically laughed out loud and applauded. Well done. Well done!

Yes, it was clever, I don't think RA liked it at all. Nice feathers btw.