GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #215

[sunshineray]

I haven’t seen a clear answer on death penalty vs not death penalty, and it appears in Indiana that a jury basically decides after the conviction if any of the aggravating factors that would qualify for death penalty have been found beyond a reasonable doubt.

Since they just convicted him twice of a crime involving those aggravating factors, I’m curious how this will go.

In any case, that may be why the gag order is still in effect.

JMO

The DP is not in play. He faces a maximum sentence of 130 years for all 4 counts combined.

"Richard Allen could be sentenced to up to 130 years in prison if convicted of all the charges."

No verdict on first full day of jury deliberations in Delphi murder trial for killings of two teenage girls in Indiana

Richard Allen could be sentenced to up to 130 years in prison if convicted of all the charges.

www.google.com

 

[INfisherman]

If he had just committed to it and eaten a little bit more poop, he’d be a free man today. Now he’s just a convicted child killer that has also eaten his own poop. Dang.

It’s also comforting to know he will have a lifetime supply of sporks at his disposal & will be free to sing his favorite Willie Nelson song as long as his fellow inmates allow.

JMO

 

[MachoFantastico]

Just watching Fox 59 and hearing about the phone calls Richard Allen made to his wife Kathy inside the prison where he confessed and hearing how it broke her heart. The whole investigation and trial as been an emotional rollercoaster, I can't imagine what Abby, Libby and even the Allen family must be going through.

 

[INfisherman]

Random question but Richard Allen was in the National Guard correct? Did he serve overseas?

Veteran's Day is quite the day to be found guilty of murder for a vet.

Right now, the only serving he will be doing is time & a min. of 45 yrs per count from what was discussed on TV a moment ago.

JMO

 

[technicallymissing]

I just realized Dec 27 is Liberty's birthday... and, thankfully the sentencing will take place a week before that date.
She would be 22 this year, and Abby would be 22 next July... do I have that correct?

They will be forever young.

Abby’s birthday is June 23rd, she was a Cancer ⁺˚⋆︎₊⊹ zodiac sign (I am one too ) and yes she would be 21 right now, 22 next year and you’re right on Libby’s

 

[CrimeDawg123]

Just watching Fox 59 and hearing about the phone calls Richard Allen made to his wife Kathy inside the prison where he confessed and hearing how it broke her heart. The whole investigation and trial as been an emotional rollercoaster, I can't imagine what Abby, Libby and even the Allen family must be going through.

I would have seen a divorce lawyer a long time ago. I wonder what she'll do now.

 

[Warwick7]

Listening to Fox59 and apparently RA was delivered to the courthouse this morning without press noticing. Those sirens this afternoon (before 3pm) were him leaving after the verdict.

He didn't even deserve sirens.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Yup. Very stupid move. I believe the verdict would have come a lot faster had they continued to be involved (that interview would have been much more effective/perhaps more digital evidence).

Maybe, but the FBI did make a few missteps themselves. I am going to ge grateful and happy that a group of Allen's peers heard and saw the evidence against him and came to a guilty verdict. JMO

 

[Warwick7]

Very happy justice was served today. Do I believe that the State presented their case well/strongly?, no I dont. It's astonishing but not surprised on how big of a fanclub Allen has on social media believing he is not the BG. JMO

When I would look at social media I would be in shock every time. It made me shudder how many there were spouting is not guilty.
Creepy...

 

[sunshineray]

I commend the jurors for their commitment. Clearly, they took their civic duty seriously and were in no hurry to rush through evidence in order to get home and out of a hotel. They were absolutely committed.

I suspect they understood this case as circumstantial [as most cases are] and there’s no slam dunk factor, like DNA, murder weapon. Makes it easier for many?

However, there is the totality of the circumstances, which put the puzzle pieces all together in this case.

Additionally, perhaps others want or need that wow factor showing he did it before they believe in someone's guilt???
What helped me was to step back and look at the whole picture, and, the puzzle pieces fit.

jmo

And convicted with his own words, spoken freely and with rational. I believed him and am assuming now so did the jurors.

 

[shonyakay]

Just watching Fox 59 and hearing about the phone calls Richard Allen made to his wife Kathy inside the prison where he confessed and hearing how it broke her heart. The whole investigation and trial as been an emotional rollercoaster, I can't imagine what Abby, Libby and even the Allen family must be going through.

Seeing how so emeshed with his wife he was I just don't see how he kept it from her. He has to have psychopathic traits to just go on living his life as if nothing happened.

 

[cherrybier]

I haven’t seen a clear answer on death penalty vs not death penalty, and it appears in Indiana that a jury basically decides after the conviction if any of the aggravating factors that would qualify for death penalty have been found beyond a reasonable doubt.

Since they just convicted him twice of a crime involving those aggravating factors, I’m curious how this will go.

In any case, that may be why the gag order is still in effect.

JMO

DP trials need DP qualified jurors.

You can't be on a jury in a DP case if you're opposed to the DP for example.

And this is all vetted prior the jury being selected obv, is my understanding.

 

[Sillybilly]

ITA, and iirc, the court does not have to provide their reasons. Someone may correct me on that (or if I get time I'll try to find legal source)

Sorry for quoting self ...

Looks like the Indiana Court of Appeals does not hear DP or LWOP appeals and those go directly to the Indiana Supreme Court.

from the Indiana Court of Appeals: About the Court

As the second-highest court in Indiana, the Court of Appeals hears appeals from the state’s trial courts and some state agencies. The Court does not preside over trials and must accept all appeals sent to it, with the exception of:

• Cases in which the death penalty or life-without-parole is rendered (appealed directly to the Indiana Supreme Court);
• Cases in which statutes are declared unconstitutional by a trial court (automatically appealed to the Supreme Court);
• Attorney disciplinary cases (which also go to the Supreme Court); and,
• Cases involving taxation (which go to the Indiana Tax Court).

from the Indiana Supreme Court: About the Court

The Supreme Court also directly reviews appeals involving judgments imposing a sentence of death or life imprisonment without the possibility of parole, appeals from the denial of post-conviction relief in which the sentence is death, appeals involving waiver of parental consent to abortion, appeals in which a state or federal statute has been declared unconstitutional, and appeals involving orders issued by lower courts mandating funds. In addition, the Supreme Court may review the decision of the Indiana Court of Appeals or the Indiana Tax Court.

Someone else may wish to rummage or wade through it all, but I'm not finding anything on whether or not the Indiana Supreme Court can refuse to hear a case, or in the event they can refuse one, are they required to provide a general reason or a specific reason (i.e. no legal basis for appeal, frivolous nature, etc.)

 

[sunshineray]

i see the Ds much vaunted habeas attorney has been out there accusing BP of things.

There is no bottom.

MOO.

Today!? He's doing that today!?

 

[MassGuy]

Probably all of the actual evidence that was held out.

If by “actual evidence,” you mean insane, baseless, nonsensical, works of fiction, then yes.

I did want to hear about it though, as I enjoy laughing so hard I cry.

 

[sunshineray]

It’s their job.

What is?

 

[rogue ant]

Will she be in trouble for saying it?

Legally? I don't see why. She's allowed to have an opinion, like anyone else. Doesn't make it true though.

 

[sunshineray]

Sorry for quoting self ...

Looks like the Indiana Court of Appeals does not hear DP or LWOP appeals and those go directly to the Indiana Supreme Court.

from the Indiana Court of Appeals: About the Court

As the second-highest court in Indiana, the Court of Appeals hears appeals from the state’s trial courts and some state agencies. The Court does not preside over trials and must accept all appeals sent to it, with the exception of:

• Cases in which the death penalty or life-without-parole is rendered (appealed directly to the Indiana Supreme Court);
• Cases in which statutes are declared unconstitutional by a trial court (automatically appealed to the Supreme Court);
• Attorney disciplinary cases (which also go to the Supreme Court); and,
• Cases involving taxation (which go to the Indiana Tax Court).

from the Indiana Supreme Court: About the Court

The Supreme Court also directly reviews appeals involving judgments imposing a sentence of death or life imprisonment without the possibility of parole, appeals from the denial of post-conviction relief in which the sentence is death, appeals involving waiver of parental consent to abortion, appeals in which a state or federal statute has been declared unconstitutional, and appeals involving orders issued by lower courts mandating funds. In addition, the Supreme Court may review the decision of the Indiana Court of Appeals or the Indiana Tax Court.

Someone else may wish to rummage or wade through it all, but I'm not finding anything on whether or not the Indiana Supreme Court can refuse to hear a case, or in the event they can refuse one, are they required to provide a general reason or a specific reason (i.e. no legal basis for appeal, frivolous nature, etc.)

But is LWOP parole the same as sentencing him to just the full 130 years maximum he faces. So it keeps intact his ability to be considered for parole but only after he serves so many of the sentenced years. He'll be dead by then.

 

[Warwick7]

CourtTV's live commentary was littered with horrendous accusations targeting the LE, the judge... and most disgustingly, the families of Abby and Libby. The fact that Court TV doesn't have a mod that kicks these accounts is disgraceful, they turned on 'subs comments only' but of course the RA truthers kept commenting vitriol against the families.

But it is ok. Justice has prevailed. Comments on YT will stay just this, comments. Grateful for our moderators here.

BBM
Shame on them!!
I quit watching court TV for a reason!

 

[BUF]

I can’t imagine the emotions Abby and Liberty’s families must be feeling. This will be the first time they can properly grieve for them because their focus for the past seven years has been on finding their killer and then the trial.

^^^^^this exactly @gregjrichards !!