GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #215

[MiniMoo]

I think they should be allowed to watch the “enhanced” video with headphones on, like Holeman did. If he had to try so hard to hear it, it must be really unclear.

Both versions should be watched I reckon.

 

[Poedelini]

What a great post. It brings back the focus on RA and his actions and those are not ones of an innocent man. The Holeman interview also shows that RA was no 'fragile egg'.

RA was robust in 2022, he went on to get a Pharm Tech Certification, he enjoyed his life, not lying curled up in the fetal position as the lady from $450/hr pricey Carmel would have you believe. RA hid in plain sight just as LE/FBI thought.

If RA suffered temporary mental distress or even psychosis after Discovery, it was due to him seeing he was caught, the overwhelming fear of everyone knowing his dirty secrets, especially Wife and Mom. Living with that knowledge coming out and facing a life sentence would surely cause some type of mental health crisis from anybody, yet he could turn it off and on as needed.

Mr. Chameleon RA: fragile egg, pious praying and Bible carrying meek soul, alcoholic with an explosive temper IMO, accused child murderer, sly like a dangerous fox...pick one.

#Justice4Abby&Libby

ALL JMO

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Mr. Chameleon RA: fragile egg, pious praying and Bible carrying meek soul, alcoholic with an explosive temper IMO, accused child murderer, sly like a dangerous fox...pick one.

Yes. Imo it is pretty bold to kill two beautiful young girls in a gruesome way and then go home and slither back into your house and pretend it never happened. Just living his life like he used too. He was not overwhelmed with guilt then for 5 years, why now? Because he is caught and he knows it.

Jmo

 

[MiniMoo]

@wtiger

i get that the family needs someone to blame but that MUST be properly proven beyond reasonable doubt

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To me, It is about obtaining real justice for both families (Germans and Williams) - so it would be an injustice if the wrong person is convicted all because of a shoddy investigation or the focus being on one man just because of mere presence.

All MOOs:

a: I question the validity of the bullet testing done, but also the fact that other individuals couldn't be ruled out. Inconclusive.

b: Richard Allen never confirmed what he wore that day and neither did LE.

Therefore, no-one should be dressing him the way BG was dressed because we don't know that for a fact.

c: None of the witnesses identified Richard Allen, but there is no doubt perhaps that they all saw someone. Just not Richard Allen.

d: It seems, and I didn't know this until this came up by the Defense's phone data expert, that it is possible for phone data to be retrieved without a physical phone.

So, Richard Allen having his 2017 cell phone or not didn't really matter because whatever information was on it (data/phone logs) would still be there somewhere.

That is how I understood it to be.

e: After seeing the Libby and Abby sketch or drawing recently (first time) and going with Pat Cicero's findings - there is no blood where it should be on Libby's body that I could see and blood doesn't go upwards.

It is obvious that the blood flow is going in an antigravity direction.

f: Those confessions didn't really prove, to me, what the killer would know.

Words like to hear or to know mean different things as does I think or I know.

Nothing with what he said struck me as him being the perpetrator or knowing something only he knew.

I would need to listen to the audio or watch the videos, but we may actually never see them depending on Judge Gull.

g: Nothing ties or tied Richard Allen to the crime scene nor did anything taken from his home.

h: He kept the same vehicle he apparently drove around on the day of the unalivings.

i: His October 26th interrogation or interview didn't really put across to me that he was not being truthful. 20-25 times he said he didn't do it and not only did LE lie to him and to his wife to get a confession, but it seems they (Holeman) were far more abusive than Richard Allen.

I would like to watch the video.

Am sure there are other things I have forgotten to mention, also, I am aware that we have had to rely on the media or approved sources so we may not have everything.

Lastly, only so much was allowed in this trial so I have to consider that aspect to it as well.

Nothing presented in this trial has proven to me that Richard Allen is the Bridge Guy.

JMO MOO JMT

 

[FromGermany1]

RA says he doesn't care if he lives or dies. “Kill me,” Allen said. “Make my wife *advertiser censored***** rich.”

???
What does he think of? KA sueing, if something happens to him?

So very dependent on her and despite that and his "love" these sarcastic words?? Is she waiting for becoming rich one day, and he since long is unsuccessfully trying to fulfill her urgent wishes? Is he fed up with his effort?

ETA: Did he kill KA, when he killed Libby instead? Did he kill his mother (the last family person, he saw, before driving to the area of his mission), when he killed Libby instead?

 

[steeltowngirl]

@BobSegall WHTR

11. Keep in mind: as we wait, the families of Libby, Abby & Richard Allen are waiting too. I’ve seen them in or around the courthouse every day of this trial, which is now entering its 4th week. They have all been incredibly kind & gracious during such an unimaginable situation.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1855457288544235561

 

[iamshadow21]

???
What does he think of? KA sueing, if something happens to him?

So very dependent on her and despite that and his "love" these sarcastic words?? Is she waiting for becoming rich one day, and he since long is unsuccessfully trying to fulfill her urgent wishes? Is he fed up with his effort?

I don't think he's suicidal, here, I think he's arrogant and smug. It's a power play.

Like on a fictional tv show, a suspect trying to bait a cop into hasty action or violence.

There's no fear, there's no inability to make a decision without input from his wife or mother.

There's a suspected child killer essentially saying, 'go ahead, I dare you'.

MOO

 

[Gigiky]

Monday is Veterans Day, Federal holiday. Wont courts be closed? Wondering if Jury will be off?

 

[Davemac1]

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To me, It is about obtaining real justice for both families (Germans and Williams) - so it would be an injustice if the wrong person is convicted all because of a shoddy investigation or the focus being on one man just because of mere presence.

All MOOs:

a: I question the validity of the bullet testing done, but also the fact that other individuals couldn't be ruled out. Inconclusive.

b: Richard Allen never confirmed what he wore that day and neither did LE.

Therefore, no-one should be dressing him the way BG was dressed because we don't know that for a fact.

c: None of the witnesses identified Richard Allen, but there is no doubt perhaps that they all saw someone. Just not Richard Allen.

d: It seems, and I didn't know this until this came up by the Defense's phone data expert, that it is possible for phone data to be retrieved without a physical phone.

So, Richard Allen having his 2017 cell phone or not didn't really matter because whatever information was on it (data/phone logs) would still be there somewhere.

That is how I understood it to be.

e: After seeing the Libby and Abby sketch or drawing recently (first time) and going with Pat Cicero's findings - there is no blood where it should be on Libby's body that I could see and blood doesn't go upwards.

It is obvious that the blood flow is going in an antigravity direction.

f: Those confessions didn't really prove, to me, what the killer would know.

Words like to hear or to know mean different things as does I think or I know.

Nothing with what he said struck me as him being the perpetrator or knowing something only he knew.

I would need to listen to the audio or watch the videos, but we may actually never see them depending on Judge Gull.

g: Nothing ties or tied Richard Allen to the crime scene nor did anything taken from his home.

h: He kept the same vehicle he apparently drove around on the day of the unalivings.

i: His October 26th interrogation or interview didn't really put across to me that he was not being truthful. 20-25 times he said he didn't do it and not only did LE lie to him and to his wife to get a confession, but it seems they (Holeman) were far more abusive than Richard Allen.

I would like to watch the video.

Am sure there are other things I have forgotten to mention, also, I am aware that we have had to rely on the media or approved sources so we may not have everything.

Lastly, only so much was allowed in this trial so I have to consider that aspect to it as well.

Nothing presented in this trial has proven to me that Richard Allen is the Bridge Guy.

JMO MOO JMT

Well apart from his wife saying "You told me you didn't go on the bridge that day"
Not once does he protest his innocence.
He admitted initially to being on the trails the whole time the girls were there. Then changed his story 5 years later.
Of the six items of clothing he mentioned bridge guy was wearing 4 of them.
"If that photo was taken by the girls then it wasn't me"??
Admitted that when on the bridge he was playing on his phone but his defense have confirmed there is no digital evidence linking him to the area.
If nothing else, I'd say he was most certainly being untruthful.

 

[MiniMoo]

Well apart from his wife saying "You told me you didn't go on the bridge that day"
Not once does he protest his innocence.
He admitted initially to being on the trails the whole time the girls were there. Then changed his story 5 years later.
Of the six items of clothing he mentioned bridge guy was wearing 4 of them.
"If that photo was taken by the girls then it wasn't me"??
Admitted that when on the bridge he was playing on his phone but his defense have confirmed there is no digital evidence linking him to the area.
If nothing else, I'd say he was most certainly being untruthful.

Nothing has convinced me that Richard Allen is the Bridge Guy, also, he did say 20-25 times he didn't do it in that initial interview or interrogation which to me is someone saying they are innocent.

JMO MOO JMT

 

[NoeticSoul]

Monday is Veterans Day, Federal holiday. Wont courts be closed? Wondering if Jury will be off?

Jury deliberations resume Monday regardless of the Veteran's Day Holiday.

 

[INfisherman]

Monday is Veterans Day, Federal holiday. Wont courts be closed? Wondering if Jury will be off?

2:43 p.m. - After more than five hours of deliberations, jurors have left the courthouse. There will not be a verdict reached this weekend. Deliberations will resume Monday, Nov. 11.

Jury resumes deliberation Monday | Day 21 of Delphi murders trial for suspect Richard Allen

Seven years after Libby German and Abby Williams were killed, the trial continues for the man accused of murdering them.

www.wthr.com

 

[Megnut]

Well apart from his wife saying "You told me you didn't go on the bridge that day"

And he said he went on the bridge that day.

With a convenient change-up on the time he was actually there.

Which reveals foreknowledge. You have to know what time the crime occurred to move away from it.

So we have RA's self-adjusted time of arrival shifted from 1:30 to noon, but we have seven witnesses who saw someone matching BG's general posture and jeans/jacket ensemble, one RA describes himself wearing during the 1:30 to 4 pm crimeframe. And no one who was at the bridge between noon and 1:30 reported seeing BG or anyone like him. RA confirmed going as far as the 1st platform where a witness saw a man, not on her first loop, not on her second loop, but on her third loop, just prior to leaving at 2:14. No one reported a second man, including RA. The Defense's own witnesses didn't see a man dressed like RA on the bridge or paths later. Where did he go?

What's more likely? -- that RA was on the platform somewhere before 1:30 where there is no evidence to corroborate his altered version or that RA was on the bridge at a time consistent with his original reported time, which aligns with sightings of witnesses with confirmed timestamps? Which puts him in lockstep with BB's report and Libby's video.

He can't get himself off the bridge fast enough not to be BG.

JMO

 

[Davemac1]

Nothing has convinced me that Richard Allen is the Bridge Guy, also, he did say 20-25 times he didn't do it in that initial interview or interrogation which to me is someone saying they are innocent.

JMO MOO JMT

If you was to offer me not going to prison indefinitely or getting the chair then I'd probably say I didn't do it 25 times.
At no point would I say I did do it. Which he also said 65 times.

 

[Salah11]

Monday is Veterans Day, Federal holiday. Wont courts be closed? Wondering if Jury will be off?

Nope

 

[justtrish]

Nothing has convinced me that Richard Allen is the Bridge Guy, also, he did say 20-25 times he didn't do it in that initial interview or interrogation which to me is someone saying they are innocent.

JMO MOO JMT

I'm curious what the statistics are about how many guilty people actually say they didn't do it when questioned by LE. I'm going to guess it's really high.

I also find it interesting that when asked if he was the guy in the BG photo, he didn't say no that's not me. He said if that came from the girls phone, it's not me.

 

[Salah11]

I'm curious what the statistics are about how many guilty people actually say they didn't do it when questioned by LE. I'm going to guess it's really high.

I also find it interesting that when asked if he was the guy in the BG photo, he didn't say no that's not me. He said if that came from the girls phone, it's not me.

Yes the killer denying they are guilty I mean that just never happens

 

[Gigiky]

Good morning, I have tossed and turned all night. So many questioned and thoughts.
Not enough answers. What a hellish nightmare!
Prayers for these two young ladies and their families and all involved.

 

[GoodDayToYouSir]

And he said he went on the bridge that day.

With a convenient change-up on the time he was actually there.

Which reveals foreknowledge. You have to know what time the crime occurred to move away from it.

So we have RA's self-adjusted time of arrival shifted from 1:30 to noon, but we have seven witnesses who saw someone matching BG's general posture and jeans/jacket ensemble, one RA describes himself wearing during the 1:30 to 4 pm crimeframe. And no one who was at the bridge between noon and 1:30 reported seeing BG or anyone like him. RA confirmed going as far as the 1st platform where a witness saw a man, not on her first loop, not on her second loop, but on her third loop, just prior to leaving at 2:14. No one reported a second man, including RA. The Defense's own witnesses didn't see a man dressed like RA on the bridge or paths later. Where did he go?

What's more likely? -- that RA was on the platform somewhere before 1:30 where there is no evidence to corroborate his altered version or that RA was on the bridge at a time consistent with his original reported time, which aligns with sightings of witnesses with confirmed timestamps? Which puts him in lockstep with BB's report and Libby's video.

He can't get himself off the bridge fast enough not to be BG.

JMO

Just playing devil’s advocate here… I agree you need to know the time the crime took place in order to know what you need to move away from.

But if RA was the killer, he would know the time the murders took place as soon as they happened. So when he was questioned a couple days later, he knew then what time he needed to move away from in order to distance himself from the scene . He didn’t obtain the knowledge of the date of the crime after his 2017 interview but before his 2022 interviews and then adjust his timings in the 2022 interview.

So it doesn’t make sense to me to say that he has changed his time in 2022 in order to distance himself from the time of the murder. If he had committed the murders, he’d know he needed to distance himself straight away and would have done so in his 2017 interviews.

 

[INfisherman]

Yes the killer denying they are guilty I mean that just never happens

I’m fairly certain everyone in Westville would claim they were innocent.

JMO

 

[Gigiky]

Jury deliberations resume Monday regardless of the Veteran's Day Holiday.

Thanks.