GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #218

[Bekind89]

No biggie - much of the details have been rehashed so much that some of us can recall the gist of certain aspects from memory. Just as some know opinions aren’t going to be swayed regardless of the results of appeals or verdicts. Even if RA wins an appeal & his conviction sticks, some people will never believe or trust the court’s decision(s). It will still be someone on the state’s side was biased or wrong.

Certain evidence is seen differently by others, as with many cases. This one just happens to be very public & has lots of circumstantial evidence. Personally, until there’s evidence of RA not passing the group of girls, being on the bridge wearing the BG starter kit, he’s staying put. Nothing the defense has presented changes what happens up to the point the girls are ordered down the hill & that’s what is a major part of why RA is now sitting in Westville. Take BW away & it’s still RA.

MOO

Absolutely. Overwhelming circumstanceal evidence, most of it from RA himself. The witnesses didn't have to ID RA, he ID'ed them.

 

[Bekind89]

Would it not have been easier for law enforcement to pin everything on RL? A dead man who can't defend himself? That would have been an open and shut case. With far less suffering for the families.

Rather than attempting to frame a man who wasn't on their radar for 5 years?

RL was at a store when the girls were murdered. Not sure how he manages to be in two places at once.

Bottom line is there is one man who put himself on the bridge. One man who was seen by others and one man who's timeline of the day is corroborated by witnesses. And that man has been found guilty.

The same man who confessed over 60 times.

 

[maamager]

Would it not have been easier for law enforcement to pin everything on RL? A dead man who can't defend himself? That would have been an open and shut case. With far less suffering for the families.

RS+BBM

BINGO!

Like most RA "Truthers" say, it isn't a stretch to think RL might have been capable. By all accounts, he was an abusive person. Easy. He knew it too, that's why he asked for someone to lie about his albi.

RA is guilty because he is Bridge Guy.

 

[Bekind89]

RS+BBM

BINGO!

Like most RA "Truthers" say, it isn't a stretch to think RL might have been capable. By all accounts, he was an abusive person. Easy. He knew it too, that's why he asked for someone to lie about his albi.

RA is guilty because he is Bridge Guy.

I will never understand in what world going with the wood-cult - Odinist - did it defense made sense to them. Never.

 

[INfisherman]

RS+BBM

BINGO!

Like most RA "Truthers" say, it isn't a stretch to think RL might have been capable. By all accounts, he was an abusive person. Easy.

RA is guilty because he is Bridge Guy.

Oh but this is all new evidence!! The lack of an FBI agent testifying prevented the defense from showing this video during cross of BW in court. Baloney. They’ve had this video since discovery & are trying to stir up things as if it’s recently discovered. All they’ve done is stop pounding bourbons in one of their investigator’s former cocktail bar & have finally sobered up enough to realize what they should have done.

Nothing addresses anything BEFORE the girls are told to go down the hill. They can only attack events to which only their client was a witness.

JMO

 

[Bekind89]

Oh but this is all new evidence!! The lack of an FBI agent testifying prevented the defense from showing this video during cross of BW in court. Baloney. They’ve had this video since discovery & are trying to stir up things as if it’s recently discovered. All they’ve done is stop pounding bourbons in one of their investigator’s former cocktail bar & have finally sobered up enough to realize what they should have done.

Nothing addresses anything BEFORE the girls are told to go down the hill. They can only attack events to which only their client was a witness.

JMO

" We want a mulligan!"

 

[INfisherman]

" We want a mulligan!"

"This old guy who owns land is definitely the murderer, not RA. Wait, this guy making weird posts on FB is definitely the killer. No wait, this guy with the spitting question was there too. Wait a second, this guy you first considered is definitely the murderer." It’s like a shell game of murderers with them.

MOO

 

[Bekind89]

"This old guy who owns land is definitely the murderer, not RA. Wait, this guy making weird posts on FB is definitely the killer. No wait, this guy with the spitting question was there too. Wait a second, this guy you first considered is definitely the murderer." It’s like a shell game of murderers with them.

MOO

Anyone except the person who was there and has confessed to everyone with ears that he did it.
Everyone is lying except RA who is a poor , pathetic, meek little man. A victim. The defense isn't incompetent, they are simply the victims of a mean old judge

Make it make sense.

 

[Arkay]

Like most RA "Truthers" say, it isn't a stretch to think RL might have been capable. By all accounts, he was an abusive person. Easy. He knew it too, that's why he asked for someone to lie about his albi.

RA is guilty because he is Bridge Guy.

Oh, same, for sure.

Was RL interested in young girls? Was KAK?

Unfortunately yes. Horrifically as we learned at the beginning, there were a number of perverts online, trying to catfish and lure young girls.

But thanks to Libby recording BG, and Abby shielding the phone in death, we know what BG looks like.

RL—-too tall and slim. KAK—-too obese.

Paraphrasing Goldilocks, this man, RA, was “just right.”

Same build. Same clothing. Same facial shape as could be discerned.

And of course, he told us he was there. There then.

It’s over. My hope is the automatic appeal is unsuccessful so as not to torment the victims’ families further, and to avoid wasting taxpayers’ money.

JMO

 

[INfisherman]

Oh, same, for sure.

Was RL interested in young girls? Was KAK?

Unfortunately yes. Horrifically as we learned at the beginning, there were a number of perverts online, trying to catfish and lure the girls.

But thanks to Libby recording BG, and Abby shielding the phone in death, we know what BG looks like.

RL—-too tall and slim. KAK—-too obese.

Paraphrasing Goldilocks, this man, RA, was “just right.”

Same build. Same clothing. Same facial shape as could be discerned.

And of course, he told us he was there. There then.

It’s over. My hope is the automatic appeal is unsuccessful so as not to torment the victims’ families further, and to avoid wasting taxpayers’ money.

JMO

The constant pointing to other people is what I find annoying. They’re changing their story as often as their client changes what time he was on the bridge.

KK, RL, EF, BH, JM, PW, Keyser Söze, Bigfoot, BTK….

Uh, no, just no.

JG will likely swat this one away & then it’s on to the court of appeals. We’ll see if even they are able to withstand the sulphuric stench emanating from all this.

I think it would be more appropriate if this team’s filings included, "Comes now, Richard Allen, through counsel, with more BS…." (not originally mine but felt it quite spot on).

MOO

 

[Boxer]

So that erroneous information/testimony means nothing to you? The van information was CRITICAL to the jury, per the juror who has spoken out. With that off the table, would they have come to the same verdict?

IMO MOO

MOO Absolutely.

 

[steeltowngirl]

So at least now we know why inmates James Haas and Ricci Davis were on the Motion to Transport Order for the trial. They were going to testify to RL as SODDI.

I expected an appeal to be filed, citing procedural error. Didn’t expect the defense would try for a new trial by blaming a deceased man, who was previously cleared.

Yet here we are.
RA has been convicted, sentenced to 130 years in prison, and folks are still looking for bridge guy.

It is maddening.

jmo

 

[Bekind89]

So at least now we know why inmates James Haas and Ricci Davis were on the Motion to Transport Order for the trial. They were going to testify to RL as SODDI.

I expected an appeal to be filed, citing procedural error. Didn’t expect the defense would try for a new trial by blaming a deceased man, who was previously cleared.

Yet here we are.
RA has been convicted, sentenced to 130 years in prison, and folks are still looking for bridge guy.

It is maddening.

jmo

It's actually exhausting.

 

[INfisherman]

"If an appeal goes through and the court of appeals says something was done wrong and it has to be re-tried? Do we try it again? Absolutely.

From the heaviness of the case to public scrutiny, prosecutor speaks candidly about the Delphi murders trial

As the man charged for murdering two Delphi teens sits behind bars, facing 130-years for the killings, the prosecutor who sought justice is speaking out.

www.wrtv.com

That doesn’t sound like someone trying to hide something nor does it sound like a person who’d be shredding evidence.

JMO

 

[New Penny]

Thank you! My apologies for being too lazy and quite frankly exasperated to look it up.

Anyone except the person who was there and has confessed to everyone with ears that he did it.
Everyone is lying except RA who is a poor , pathetic, meek little man. A victim. The defense isn't incompetent, they are simply the victims of a mean old judge

Make it make sense.

He’s a “fragile egg.”

 

[Bekind89]

That doesn’t sound like someone trying to hide something nor does it sound like a person who’d be shredding evidence.

He’s a “fragile egg.”

Of course, how could I have forgotten, lol.

 

[INfisherman]

He’s a “fragile egg.”

Let’s see if history repeats itself. He ought to be breaking at any point now….unless it was all a ruse.

Happy 1 month in prison, RA. Only 1559 more months to go!

MOO

 

[Tricia]

Hope you will join us at l0:30 PM Eastern as we discuss the latest in the Delphi case on Websleuths YouTube live

 

[somequestions]

Yes, facts actually do matter. Thank you for the correction that the part of his alibi he asked someone to lie about was the ride, not his whereabouts.

If it's true he convinced to a fellow inmate, why do you think he would do that?

What time did Brad Weber get home? Facts matter, especially with regard to this since it's what the jury hung their conviction on, according to the juror who spoke to the MS.

The State's timeline has (finally) been attacked and proven to just.not.work.

As always, everything I write is my opinion.

What would the FBI agent have testified to that would have changed the timeline about the white van? Would it have proved BW did not arrive home at around 2:30pm?

I agree that the information about the white van matters. I have not gotten to listen to the Murder Sheet podcast, but if the juror said the white van timeline and Richard Allen's confession about the white van mattered when it came to the decision, that might help the defense.

That Murder Sheet podcast episode could be very useful evidence. They have a juror on tape saying the white van testimony mattered when it came to reaching a decision.

 

[INfisherman]

They tried, remember? They weren't allowed to call the FBI agent because Nick McLeland said no to him being allowed to testify remotely and Judge Gull said yes to Nick.

As always, JMO.

That’s not exactly how it played out. The defense was trying to improperly impeach Weber’s testimony using another witness rather than using Weber’s own testimony & showing him the evidence which contradicts the testimony. Also, it was revealed that the defense had evidence since August & waited until around 2-3 weeks prior to the start of the trial before they attempted to subpoena agent Pohl to testify.

The Defense had hoped to call FBI Special Agent Pohl to testify. Pohl is currently on assignment in Texas and unable to travel due to a medical issue. The Defense filed a motion for Pohl to testify through Zoom. The testimony would be used to rebut Weber’s previous testimony that he drove straight home, Baldwin said.

“When did you subpoena him,” Gull asked.

The Defense said three to four weeks ago.

“You had evidence in August and issued a subpoena three to four weeks ago?” Gull asked.

McLeland objected to the request, saying if the Defense wanted to impeach Weber, they needed to do it properly through Weber’s testimony, not someone else. He said it was improper impeachment as they did not show Weber the report at the time of his testimony.

“You have to confront him with his prior statement and ask if they didn’t say that,” Gull said, denying the motion.

Judge says no to Odinism, Norse Pagan religion, ritualistic killing - Carroll County Comet

Richard Allen’s defense team may have experienced a tough blow Friday. Judge Fran Gull denied the Defense’s motions to include Odinism, Norse Pagan religion, ritualist killings, and third-party suspects associated with those topics after court Nov. 1. The Defense argued the State “opened the...

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