GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #218

[Vern]

Because he didn't want the jury to know the time BW's phone first pinged at his home the afternoon of 2/13. It doesn't align with his timeline. Also why he wanted the geofence data out. JMO

Riddle me this:

Why didn't the Defence bring in the video evidence of the van and it's time of return (BTW, this is not "new evidence" which would warrant a successful appeal as they had it in their discovery)?

Question is actually rhetorical and, IMO, I'd put it out more like this:

Because he the Defence didn't want the jury to know the time BW's phone first pinged at his home the afternoon of 2/13. It doesn't align with his their timeline of BW arriving home at 3:30pm. Also why he they wanted the geofence data out.

How else to explain their slamming fists upon the table and feigning ire about him actually not getting home until 1530hrs at trial ... and throwing that subpoena out there in front of the jury because of it. Then to recall him to the stand ... and still NOT mention or bring forth a peep about the video .... "because". Nope, it didn't go with the narrative the Defence was attemping to push at trial so now they are simply trying to backdoor already discovered and available evidence as "new". I wish them luck with that.

 

[Vern]

What a totally misleading headline.

The video evidence is not "new"; it was in discovery and available for the Defence to bring forth at trial (which they also failed to do).

 

[Vern]

And I believe it was in Nick's closing, he said Abby took the phone and hid it under her body and that's why there was no activity after 2:32 (until someone handled it later by plugging headphones into it of course).

Nick locked himself into "everything was over by 2:32."

So why did Brad Weber, the State's witness who tied it all together, not get home until 15 minutes after that?

As always, just my opinion.

Well, your statement above infers that the timing on the sureveillance video was correct. The Defence has already admitted that it was not in their own filing via the pm vs. am time stamp. So, who's to say the 2:44 am timing is even correct.

And, why didn't they bring this video at trial? Rhetorical - no need to answer as the answer is that it simply didn't fit their defence narrative IMO.

 

[Vern]

How this 3rd party suspect information was disallowed by Judge Gull is totally mystifying.

It absolutely is not "mystifying".

RL was at the fish store when the murders occured ... once again - as shown by his proven alibi when the actual time & date-stamped receipt for his fish store purchase was recovered by investigators during the execution of the search warrant on his property. I won't link it again as you saw and acknowledged it yesterday. Another little point: that dude coming forth with this "info" also failed his poly.

 

[TTF14]

Well, your statement above infers that the timing on the sureveillance video was correct. The Defence has already admitted that it was not in their own filing via the pm vs. am time stamp. So, who's to say the 2:44 am timing is even correct.

And, why didn't they bring this video at trial? Rhetorical - no need to answer as the answer is that it simply didn't fit their defence narrative IMO.

Actually, my statement implies that, not infers that. (You inferred it.)

Why didn't they bring it up at trial? I don't know...maybe because they didn't know the State was going to concoct the story they did about the van so they weren't prepared? Maybe they wanted to but Judge Gull denied it like she did all third party evidence?

I really don't know. You'd have to ask the defense attorneys or Judge Gull.

As always, just my opinion.

 

[Vern]

Yeppers it's confirmed IMO: just another demonstration of the defence team waxing poetic and switching up their narrative yet again. But, oh the Judge, oh the prosecution ....

What a bunch of fauxdinists; kudos to the poster [I forgot their name] who coined that very appropriate term.

 

[TTF14]

Looks like this will be starting any minute.

 

[Jade]

Oh, how it warms my heart on this sunny but frigid day to see that Richard Allen is still not believed.

To know Rick needs to believed to seek forgiveness for his eternal salvation as promised in his book he carries.

And thinking of the post promising RA a Twilight Zone existence where he tries for eternity to confess and be redeemed but is perpetually not believed and deeply dependent toes the line of wife, mother, and greasy haired lawyer to fight this ego damaging abomination sending himself to purgatory where his conscience spirit will circle the drain forever more.

Don’t you just hate when these perps do just fine locked up:

Drang said Allen told him, “I think coming to prison has cured me of my depression and anxiety .”

Delphi murders suspect allegedly told psychologist he wanted to apologize to Abby, Libby's families

"I killed Abby and Libby. I am sorry." is what the suspect reportedly told a clinical psychologist while in jail.

abc7chicago.com

But to know even after the, well, the recent unpleasantness involving, well, apparently attorneys, Rick is still believed too insipid to have done nothing more than scare young, good, girls then save his puny azz by killing them.

Why they believe him incapable is that’s just the way the Twilight Zone purgatory works.

All imo

 

[tlcya]

just thought I should acquaint myself a bit more with Ricci Davis, the inmate who claimed RL confessed to him while in jail. Since the defense feels his testimony is super relevant and all. He's an interesting fellow, this career criminal.

His lengthy record includes: Possession of meth, forgery, fraud, theft, burglary, receiving stolen property, and dealing in meth.
Indiana Incarcerated Database Search

The meth dealing was the last conviction for which he still serves time. He and his housemates were manufacturing meth by his own admission. That residence was located 900 feet from a Boys and Girls Club. He has appealed this most recent conviction and lost, most recently in 2019.

Seems like a stand up guy. A credible guy

 

[al66pine]

Ricci, Inmate Who Said RA Confessed to Him

just thought I should acquaint myself a bit more with Ricci Davis, the inmate who claimed RL confessed to him while in jail. Since the defense feels his testimony is super relevant and all....

His record includes: Possession of meth, forgery, fraud, theft, burglary, receiving stolen property, and dealing in meth.
Indiana Incarcerated Database Search

Seems like a stand up guy. A credible guy

snipped for focus @tlcya Thx for digging in.

"His record includes: Possession of meth, forgery, fraud, theft, burglary, receiving stolen property, and dealing in meth."

Seems to be a man of many talents but lacking one skill which would have been beneficial to him: evading arrest.

 

[TTF14]

just thought I should acquaint myself a bit more with Ricci Davis, the inmate who claimed RL confessed to him while in jail. Since the defense feels his testimony is super relevant and all. He's an interesting fellow, this career criminal.

His lengthy record includes: Possession of meth, forgery, fraud, theft, burglary, receiving stolen property, and dealing in meth.
Indiana Incarcerated Database Search

The meth dealing was the last conviction for which he still serves time. He and his housemates were manufacturing meth by his own admission. That residence was located 900 feet from a Boys and Girls Club. He has appealed this most recent conviction and lost, most recently in 2019.

Seems like a stand up guy. A credible guy

Are we saying that people related to this case with meth convictions in their past shouldn't be believed?

 

[TTF14]

There is so much reasonable doubt in this case, it's crazy. More than I've seen in any other case I've followed. Especially now with everything that's coming out post-trial. I'm afraid there will never be justice for Abby and Libby . I truly don't understand how anyone can look at this case and not admit the loads of reasonable doubt.

As always, JMO. Everything I write is my opinion.

 

[FrostedGlass]

It absolutely is not "mystifying".

RL was at the fish store when the murders occured ... once again - as shown by his proven alibi when the actual time & date-stamped receipt for his fish store purchase was recovered by investigators during the execution of the search warrant on his property. I won't link it again as you saw and acknowledged it yesterday. Another little point: that dude coming forth with this "info" also failed his poly.

Regarding this from your post: "Another little point: that dude coming forth with this "info" also failed his poly." I missed that part; where have you seen info about a poly test? Link?

 

[justtrish]

I see this just meaning RA was still mixing lies with truth in what he told Wala & confessed to & it simply means he was closer to if not already across the creek with the girls. He heard or saw that van. This just means he had 14 minutes less than we initially thought when he was across the creek.

JMO

I wonder if it was something more like the girls tried to run and went across the creek. He can't say he lost control now can he... big bad Ricky Allen So once across the creek and he has control again, he sees this van or perhaps the girls even see the van and THAT panics him so he just kills them and tries to hurry out of there vs completing whatever else he had in mind. He seems to always need to be in control.

It doesn't change one thing IMO if the white van goes by 14 minutes later... we know this was still well after "down the hill" and RA had plenty of time to be in either the original location or the across the creek location with the girls and still able to see the van and get spooked by it.

 

[FrostedGlass]

just thought I should acquaint myself a bit more with Ricci Davis, the inmate who claimed RL confessed to him while in jail. Since the defense feels his testimony is super relevant and all. He's an interesting fellow, this career criminal.

His lengthy record includes: Possession of meth, forgery, fraud, theft, burglary, receiving stolen property, and dealing in meth.
Indiana Incarcerated Database Search

The meth dealing was the last conviction for which he still serves time. He and his housemates were manufacturing meth by his own admission. That residence was located 900 feet from a Boys and Girls Club. He has appealed this most recent conviction and lost, most recently in 2019.

Seems like a stand up guy. A credible guy

MOO
In the minds of many, jailhouse snitches aren't considered to be people of honor; but aside from that, I found the information to be interesting.

I've never been in the "RL is BG" camp nor did I believe he had anything to do with the murders. However, I'm old enough to remember when the theory of the girls being taken on the north side of the creek was kicked around a lot. This Ricci information adds weight to that theory. Also, one of the girls saying 'the path ends here and there's nowhere else to go' would fit the scenario of being marched down that steep ravine at the end of the north trail.

One of the things RA is claimed to have said is he "cut their necks." I thought that was a bit of a strange wording; I was expecting something like he slashed their throats or such. Now I see that RL used that very same wording years before.

Just like everything else in this case, RL's story does not fit. IMO

 

[Emma Peel]

Rozzi on Wala.

This link to Rozzi interview is Queued up for those interested in Rozzi segment that discusses witness Wala and Rozzi's research and ~10 hrs of deposing/crossing this witness.

About 18 minutes.

 

[INfisherman]

I wonder if it was something more like the girls tried to run and went across the creek. He can't say he lost control now can he... big bad Ricky Allen So once across the creek and he has control again, he sees this van or perhaps the girls even see the van and THAT panics him so he just kills them and tries to hurry out of there vs completing whatever else he had in mind. He seems to always need to be in control.

It doesn't change one thing IMO if the white van goes by 14 minutes later... we know this was still well after "down the hill" and RA had plenty of time to be in either the original location or the across the creek location with the girls and still able to see the van and get spooked by it.

Agreed. Just one last social media hurrah before the appellate attorneys take over. This will get slapped down, as members of the defense have already expected it IIRC from the media tour & this buys around 45 more days for the appeal to be filed.

JMO

 

[Sillybilly]

ADMIN NOTE:

Ron Logan's alibi of being at the fish store in Lafayette and land transfer that day was confirmed by store receipt and video at the land transfer, and obviously accepted as truthful by LE when he was able to provide proof of his whereabouts. It is a well-known fact by members who participated in this discussion since the threads started and links are not required to support such well-known information.

Unless members can provide links that absolutely refute his alibi, please move on from such insinuations and accusations.

 

[TTF14]

ADMIN NOTE:

Ron Logan's alibi of being at the fish store in Lafayette and land transfer that day was confirmed by store receipt and video at the land transfer, and obviously accepted as truthful by LE when he was able to provide proof of his whereabouts.

Unless members can provide links that absolutely refute his alibi, please move on from such insinuations and accusations.

Does this mean we're not allowed to discuss information in official legal filings and mainstream media reports? It's new information pertaining to this case.

Will we be allowed to discuss it when both sides have had a chance to comment on it?

 

[mrjitty]

Riddle me this:

Why didn't the Defence bring in the video evidence of the van and it's time of return (BTW, this is not "new evidence" which would warrant a successful appeal as they had it in their discovery)?

Question is actually rhetorical and, IMO, I'd put it out more like this:

Because he the Defence didn't want the jury to know the time BW's phone first pinged at his home the afternoon of 2/13. It doesn't align with his their timeline of BW arriving home at 3:30pm. Also why he they wanted the geofence data out.

How else to explain their slamming fists upon the table and feigning ire about him actually not getting home until 1530hrs at trial ... and throwing that subpoena out there in front of the jury because of it. Then to recall him to the stand ... and still NOT mention or bring forth a peep about the video .... "because". Nope, it didn't go with the narrative the Defence was attemping to push at trial so now they are simply trying to backdoor already discovered and available evidence as "new". I wish them luck with that.

Why were they trying to mislead the jury about 3.30 when they knew from phone pings he was home long before?

Could it be they were leading a narrative they knew to be false! Heavens above!

MOO