GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #218

[steeltowngirl]

Can someone please explain how a jailhouse snitch is more credible than an actual alibi? I'm genuinely confused as to why RLs alibi has suddenly been forgotten??

No one can explain it, because jailhouse snitches aren’t more credible. They are notoriously unreliable and love to spew hearsay.

RL did not confess. But RA’s attorneys want the courts, and the public, to believe it.

You know who confessed?
Richard Allen.
To the warden, to his counselor, and to his own wife and mother.

FACT

 

[ClearAhead]

The info that the girls' throats were cut was out there in the rumor mill very early on (around the time of their funerals), posted at Websleuths, but posts were removed as it was not sourced in MSM or from LE.

Yes, true. I also recall the reason it was rumoured the girl’s throats had been cut was because there were scarves hiding their neck areas at the viewings prior to the funerals.

 

[Tricia]

Hey Everyone,
If someone could post Ron Logan's alibi again, including mainstream media links, I would appreciate it.
It's important to remember that Ron Logan DID NOT confess. A prison inmate on the same block as Logan said he confessed to him. Inmate Ricci Davis says Ron Logan confessed to him.

https://fox59.com/news/former-delphi-murders-suspect-made-detailed-confession-to-killings-attorneys-say/

That is a BIG difference from saying he confessed. All the headlines are screaming that Ron Logan confessed.
Thanks for your help.
Tricia

 

[steeltowngirl]

March 19, 2017

Logan is now in custody on an unrelated probation violation. Police took away a white truck from the property.
After the girls were discovered, Inside Edition spoke to him about the murders of the teens that occurred on February 13.
"It was something I couldn't get my emotions around," he said. "You can't believe that something this terrible in this community happened here on my property, in my back yard."
He told Inside Edition that he has an alibi, saying he was buying tropical fish at the time of the murders.
I was not home during the time all this was happening, I was in Lafayette and I didn't get home until 6:30 in the evening and the neighbors stopped and asked permission to look back here for the girls,” he said.

Cops searching property where Ind. teens' bodies were found

www.whas11.com

 

[steeltowngirl]

He contacted a family member on the morning of Feb. 14 and instructed them to tell police about the trip. He also asked the family member to say they’d returned home between 5 p.m. and 5:30 p.m.

Investigators did find a receipt from the store dated Feb. 13 with a checkout time of 5:21 p.m. during a March 6, 2017, search related to the probation violation. It would take Logan about 30 minutes to get from the store to his home, putting the 5 p.m. and 5:30 p.m. return timeline in doubt.

Search warrant: Delphi killer took souvenir, may have ‘staged’ murder scene

DELPHI, Ind. – A search warrant reveals new details of the investigation into the 2017 murders of Abby Williams and Libby German in Delphi. According to a search warrant obtained by the Murde…

fox59.com

 

[Bekind89]

Yes, true. I also recall the reason it was rumoured the girl’s throats had been cut was because there were scarves hiding their neck areas at the viewings prior to the funerals.

Also, and someone please correct me if I am mistaken, but wasn't the search warrant for RL's house/property leaked?
It was stated in the SW that investigators were looking for a sharp weapon, or however it was stated?
That is when everyone following the case knew a knife of some sort had been used on the girls.
At least that is how I remember finding out about it, but I may very well be wrong.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Investigators told CBS4 that Logan’s unauthorized road trip on February 13, the day Liberty Germany and Abigail Williams disappeared, happened hours before the two girls were dropped off at a hiking trail east of town.

Logan is not considered a suspect in the killings.

The 77-year-old man was on probation for a 2014 Operating While Intoxicated conviction and was found to be a Habitual Traffic Offender.

His high-profile locally and in news reports about the killings coincided with not only the trip to the Carroll County Waste Transfer Station but also an admitted visit to a restaurant in Tippecanoe County, where Logan was spotted drinking alcohol in violation of his probation.

Logan was jailed and held without bond one month ago.

“We allege that he violated those conditions of his probation by drinking, by having access to his vehicle which he wasn’t supposed to have and by driving while he’s adjudicated as a habitual traffic violator,” said Deputy Prosecutor Jerry Beam after Logan accepted a guilty plea. “There would have been evidence and/or testimony about his driving to the transfer station and also to the fact that he consumed alcoholic beverages at the Americus Pizza King.”

https://cbs4indy.com/news/owner-of-delphi-murder-site-admits-to-driving-to-county-dump-on-day-of-teens-killings/

 

[steeltowngirl]

Also, and someone please correct me if I am mistaken, but wasn't the search warrant for RL's house/property leaked?
It was stated in the SW that investigators were looking for a sharp weapon, or however it was stated?
That is when everyone following the case knew a knife of some sort had been used on the girls.
At least that is how I remember finding out about it, but I may very well be wrong.

Yes.
Link to search warrant in this article.

FBI agent: Bodies 'moved and staged' in Delphi murders, suspect took clothing

DELPHI, Ind. (WISH) — Investigators believe the bodies of Abby Williams and Libby German were “moved and staged” at the Delphi murder scene, according to court documents obtained by I-Team 8. READ: See the court documents The revelation is included in a nine-page request for a search warrant...

www.wishtv.com

 

[Bekind89]

Yes.
Link to search warrant in this article.

FBI agent: Bodies 'moved and staged' in Delphi murders, suspect took clothing

DELPHI, Ind. (WISH) — Investigators believe the bodies of Abby Williams and Libby German were “moved and staged” at the Delphi murder scene, according to court documents obtained by I-Team 8. READ: See the court documents The revelation is included in a nine-page request for a search warrant...

www.wishtv.com

Thank you for the link!

 

[Vern]

Also, and someone please correct me if I am mistaken, but wasn't the search warrant for RL's house/property leaked?
It was stated in the SW that investigators were looking for a sharp weapon, or however it was stated?
That is when everyone following the case knew a knife of some sort had been used on the girls.
At least that is how I remember finding out about it, but I may very well be wrong.

You're not wrong: here's the link to the RL SW document in the public domain. It also details the receipt and timing of the late afternoon trip to the fish store (and receipt collection from search) after the transfer station visit and restaurant outing.

FBI Search Warrant and Affidavit for Search Warrant of Ron Logan’s Property.pdf

drive.google.com

 

[Bekind89]

You're not wrong: here's the link to the RL SW document in the public domain. It also details the receipt and timing of the late afternoon trip to the fish store (and receipt collection from search) after the transfer station visit and restaurant outing.

FBI Search Warrant and Affidavit for Search Warrant of Ron Logan’s Property.pdf

drive.google.com

Thank you!

 

[Boxer]

RL was 6 feet tall.
I believe they thought he was involved or someone at his house was not that he was BG.

 

[mrjitty]

Also, and someone please correct me if I am mistaken, but wasn't the search warrant for RL's house/property leaked?

RSBM

It wasn't actually leaked. According to MS reporting, RLs lawyer gave it to media outlets - as RL was absolutely entitled to do.

 

[mrjitty]

The defence always knew RL wouldn't fly. That's why they dedicated 99% of their resources to trying to float the Odinist alternative suspects and RL was an after thought at the 3 day hearing. Even KAK got more effort than RL, and that isn't saying much.

 

[girlhasnoname]

How does this affect his timeline of arriving at the trail amd passing the first witnesses?

It doesn't and they know it. RA saw the girls, freely admitted to it and described them. The girls saw him and described him and the same clothing he admitted to wearing. What the girls did not see or describe was a much older 6 foot tall man, and to insinuate RL was BG is the most desperate thing ever. Not surprising though, not from them.

The former D Team is PO'd, humiliated and have been shown to be the underhanded incompetents they actually are. They did a horrible job 'defending' their client who is now a convicted murder serving 130 years for the brutal murders of Abby and Libby.

Nick McL said a plea was offered at some point and R&B turned it down on RA's behalf. I'm guessing that would have been shortly after the confessions were made to dear wife and mom + 61, maybe during the June 15th hearing timeframe.

I'm glad RA chose to stick with these two scrubs. They all have gotten what they deserve, I just hope Rozzi and Baldwin get sanctioned for their misconduct eventually.

moo

 

[FrostedGlass]

RL's search warrant gives the best information as to his alibi times, receipts from the fish store and phone pings. I've never seen it stated in MSM what time he left home. A person might work backward from the time he left the store and how much time he spent there and arrive at an approximate time he left home. That's just a guess, though.

I hand-waved away the phone pings in the SW because I couldn't imagine him wandering down along the creek that late at night. In retrospect, item #22 is interesting. Was RL's phone caught in the geofence?

FBI Search Warrant and Affidavit for Search Warrant of Ron Logan’s Property.pdf

drive.google.com

 

[Trebor5591]

I don't believe any polygraph result is admissible in court. They're just not consistently reliable across all people. Some people ace them despite lying their butts off, some innocent people read as deceptive due to heightened stress or emotions, and a whole lot of people test inconclusive for a plethora of reasons.

Polygraphs are only really useful, IMO, in putting pressure on a suspect or a witness and seeing how they react and what they say as a result. They're not a 'lie detector', they're an interrogation tool, and a pseudo scientific one.

MOO

Regardless of the accuracy of polygraph results, I feel that RD criminal record and fraud convictions destroy his credibility as a witness 100%. A liar and cheat just can not be believed. In my opinion, one of the defense investigators must have found him and then given him some incentive, financial or otherwise, to come forward with such a story. Allen's entire defense team is equally unreliable and lacking in credibility. JMO

 

[tlcya]

The info that the girls' throats were cut was out there in the rumor mill very early on (around the time of their funerals), posted at Websleuths, but posts were removed as it was not sourced in MSM or from LE.

thank you SB. I remember that as well but wasn't sure if I should mention it because with those posts no longer there I couldn't link to anything substantiate my recollection.

 

[Vern]

Regardless of the accuracy of polygraph results, I feel that RD criminal record and fraud convictions destroy his credibility as a witness 100%. A liar and cheat just can not be believed. In my opinion, one of the defense investigators must have found him and then given him some incentive, financial or otherwise, to come forward with such a story. Allen's entire defense team is equally unreliable and lacking in credibility. JMO

While I wholeheartedly agree on your sentiments expressed above that RD is a proven criminal, liar and cheat, I think it's important to point out some information that is erroneous.

The Polygraph Interview between Hansard and Ricci took place on or before 15 May 2017 . 15 May 2017 was the date the notes etc on this alleged confession (to him by RL) were entered into the Orion Database. See page 13

So long before RA was a suspect and thus the Defence did not offer RD any incentive, financial or otherwise, to come forth with such a story. But neither is it "new evidence" being from 2017.

Rather, I suspect, that RD was more motivated by attempting to seek his "15 minutes of fame". RL was all over the news broadcasts at that time and "WAS the guy" ... Even though he was proven not to be the guy by confirmed alibis for his days' whereabouts (the transfer station [on surveillance footage], the restaurant and finally the fish store). The public (and RD) was not aware at that time that RL had been cleared by evidence backing up his alibi. Many of them were rather drooling and waiting for him to be charged with the killings. RD simply attempted to 'cash in' on that mood and sentiment IMO. RD was also probably attempting to get himself a little good time deal by attempting to "solve" this case for Indiana via "hearing RL confess". After all RL was the prime time bad guy at this point in time.

Too bad for RD and the Defence Team that RL was fully investigated and cleared. He is not a suspect.

 

[somequestions]

I have always thought Ron Logan had nothing to do with the murders even though he lived right there, walked the trails, and wore the same clothing as bridge guy. But now I am not so sure because I did not know about this supposed confession in May 2017 to an inmate with details about the supposed murder weapon(box cutter). Since Ron Logan is no longer living, he cannot defend himself. In my opinion, the jury should have been allowed to determine whether or not the information about Ron Logan was relevant.

The white van timeline is very important as now I do not think Richard Allen's confession can be trusted. Did Richard Allen confess to it being a white van or just a van? Was Richard Allen transported around in vans while he was in the DOC? If a jailhouse informant could possibly lie about coming up with good factual information (about the box cutter used as the murder weapon), is it not possible Richard Allen could do the same thing with his van confession? None of this proves Richard Allen is innocent, but it gives me more doubt. And I have always found it strange investigators were never able to see Richard Allen or any figure on the Hoosier Harvest Store surveillance camera walking back to their car after SC saw him at 3:57pm walking along 300 N.

I do not think based on this new evidence he should have been convicted. But what matters is what the jury thinks. Would any of this new information in the motion to correct errors have changed their minds about the verdict?