GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #218

[RexLuther]

Court TV on YT

Discussion on Court TV about the additional information. Interesting correlation about RL's phone receiving a text message at 10.13pm in the area where A & L were found and the 10.32pm unplugging of the aux jack in Libby's phone from the extracted data.

 

[tlcya]

I don't get how one can be not so sure about RL being cleared by LE because of an ALLEGED confession made to a not credible fellow inmate and yet be completely convinced that the confessions of the man convicted of the crime, from his own mouth and his own hand, cannot be trusted?

It makes zero logical sense to me. There is NO new information. Nothing in the Motion for corrections is new, as has been illustrated with links repeatedly for pages and pages of this thread. Not one single new thing was introduced in that motion. It was simply a streamlined version of the many frank's motions with the Norse cult horse poop removed.

 

[Emma Peel]

FWIW, I've always found RL's alibi to be really fishy.
jmho.

 

[Emma Peel]

another FWIW:
5/2022 WTHR article; a section of the article reviews who FBI liked RL for the murders ...

FBI agent believed clothing taken and bodies 'staged' in Delphi murders search warrant request

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

SM has been very damaging to society in many different ways. Please don't misunderstand me, I love having information at my fingertips. I am old enough to remember having to research and work for needed information. But SM has also given some people with bad intentions a platform to meet to other like minded people with the same interest and intentions and the ability to easily gaslight the gullible.

So very true and sad too IMO @Bekind89 @Cedars and @INfisherman ….. I am so thankful I grew up in a time where we played outside, and in the street. And we played kickball in those streets in the morning before the school bus. Kicked the ball in the ditch, got on the bus, and went to school. Often would return home in the evening and play anew.

I often am sad when I see conditions now in which our youth are growing up and raised. Including my own daughters. I wish there was much better for them. And I will stop here before I state my opinion of those entities that should hold account for this. SMH

There is a local radio sports commentator in the Philadelphia area on WIP 94.1 Howard Eskin….. and he often says this about ‘social media’. It is not social. And it is not media. I cannot disagree. MOO

 

[susane7]

I don't get how one can be not so sure about RL being cleared by LE because of an ALLEGED confession made to a not credible fellow inmate and yet be completely convinced that the confessions of the man convicted of the crime, from his own mouth and his own hand, cannot be trusted?

It makes zero logical sense to me. There is NO new information. Nothing in the Motion for corrections is new, as has been illustrated with links repeatedly for pages and pages of this thread. Not one single new thing was introduced in that motion. It was simply a streamlined version of the many frank's motions with the Norse cult horse poop removed.

Ron Logan makes 0 sense. I saw an Holeman's interview and he confirmed Logan had an alibi which make impossible to him be BG. Besides he doesn't look or sounds nothing like BG, we don't know if the confession exists (hearsay) and the defense theory wasn't it was impossible to one man to did the crime alone? So now for 77 years old Logan it is possible or he was there with the group of odinists? Soon people will say there were 10 people at the crime scene.. But why didn't the defense use this in the 3 days hearing? At least Ron Logan it is less ridiculous than the odinist theory.

The van just confirmed that RA was really there and not gone at 1:30..but if the time is correct why didn't the defense use it at the trial? At why the prosecution also didn't use this? It doesn't sound very good on the prosecution part. It just proves he was there and probably had crossed the creek when he saw the van.

 

[INfisherman]

Ron Logan makes 0 sense. I saw an Holeman's interview and he confirmed Logan had an alibi which make impossible to him be BG. Besides he doesn't look or sounds nothing like BG, we don't know if the confession exists (hearsay) and the defense theory wasn't it was impossible to one man to did the crime alone? So now for 77 years old Logan it is possible or he was there with the group of odinists? Soon people will say there were 10 people at the crime scene.. But why didn't the defense use this in the 3 days hearing? At least Ron Logan it is less ridiculous than the odinist theory.

The van just confirmed that RA was really there and not gone at 1:30..but if the time is correct why didn't the defense use it at the trial? At why the prosecution also didn't use this? It doesn't sound very good on the prosecution part. It just proves he was there and probably had crossed the creek when he saw the van.

Splitting hairs. They think 12-15 minutes is huge & means something because the phone stopped moving somewhere around 2:30. Crime could still be committed minus the 12-15 minutes difference, if it is in fact that much, as no one knows for sure. RL is nothing more than trying to get additional SODDI on the record for appeals. Next they’ll be screaming the Odinists are back, storming downtown Delphi on horseback & that will suddenly gain traction again. Seems almost like a dog following a laser pointer.

Nothing changes prior to 2:30. Nothing.

JMO

 

[Bekind89]

Ron Logan makes 0 sense. I saw an Holeman's interview and he confirmed Logan had an alibi which make impossible to him be BG. Besides he doesn't look or sounds nothing like BG, we don't know if the confession exists (hearsay) and the defense theory wasn't it was impossible to one man to did the crime alone? So now for 77 years old Logan it is possible or he was there with the group of odinists? Soon people will say there were 10 people at the crime scene.. But why didn't the defense use this in the 3 days hearing? At least Ron Logan it is less ridiculous than the odinist theory.

The van just confirmed that RA was really there and not gone at 1:30..but if the time is correct why didn't the defense use it at the trial? At why the prosecution also didn't use this? It doesn't sound very good on the prosecution part. It just proves he was there and probably had crossed the creek when he saw the van.

What boggles the mind are the people actually saying that poor little out of shape smoker RA could not have committed this crime because he isn't physically capable, yet they have no problem claim that a 77 year old alcoholic with a fear of heights was capable.
No, I don't get it.

 

[Bekind89]

Ron Logan makes 0 sense. I saw an Holeman's interview and he confirmed Logan had an alibi which make impossible to him be BG. Besides he doesn't look or sounds nothing like BG, we don't know if the confession exists (hearsay) and the defense theory wasn't it was impossible to one man to did the crime alone? So now for 77 years old Logan it is possible or he was there with the group of odinists? Soon people will say there were 10 people at the crime scene.. But why didn't the defense use this in the 3 days hearing? At least Ron Logan it is less ridiculous than the odinist theory.

The van just confirmed that RA was really there and not gone at 1:30..but if the time is correct why didn't the defense use it at the trial? At why the prosecution also didn't use this? It doesn't sound very good on the prosecution part. It just proves he was there and probably had crossed the creek when he saw the van.

They refuse to believe the over 60 confessions of RA yet place credibility on a meth manufacturer.
It's insane.

 

[Vern]

Court TV on YT

Discussion on Court TV about the additional information. Interesting correlation about RL's phone receiving a text message at 10.13pm in the area where A & L were found and the 10.32pm unplugging of the aux jack in Libby's phone from the extracted data.

I find it very inetersting how the Defence, again with "no new evidence", suddenly finds time differences to be "correlative":

1) 1532hrs the Girl's phone stops moving - 1544hrs arrival of BW's van equals 12 minutes BUT:
"There's NO correlation!! It's too much time difference!! RA can't be the murderer!!"

You know, even though neither of the above pings is actually RA himself nor bear any bearing at he was doing from 1532-1544 and every single minute in between. Thankfully, the jury has affirmed what he was doing, or getting set to do, at that time.


2) 2213hrs RL's phone receives a text message - 1532hrs the Girl's phone stops moving equals 19 minutes SO:
"OMG - This correlates!! This is too close a timing so it means RL actually did the murders!!".

When, in reality it all equals:

OMG!! RL got a text the night of the day the girls were killed, hours after they were killed. I bet LE even knows from whom the text came as we already know that RL was fully investigated as a potential suspect and CLEARED.

OMG!!! "In the area where A&L were found!!" Of course it was. His home is up at the top of the hill from where their bodies were found on his property.


Alternatively in a purple haze universe, maybe the text was "dammit RL, I forgot to unlug my earphones from A&L's phone jack!! Can 'ya wander down 'yer hill and snag them back for me?"" RL then heads down the hill (no flashlight or anything to see with remember as searchers were still out) and stands over Libby for 19 minutes contemplating exactly how he's going to move her and unplug those headphones without actually moving her or the phone (hmmmm, when did they actally get 'plugged in' for the experts in the crowd???) ....

All JMO ...

 

[Bekind89]

I find it very inetersting how the Defence, again with "no new evidence", suddenly finds time differences to be "correlative":

1) 1532hrs the Girl's phone stops moving - 1544hrs arrival of BW's van equals 12 minutes BUT:
"There's NO correlation!! It's too much time difference!! RA can't be the murderer!!"

You know, even though neither of the above pings is actually RA himself nor bear any bearing at he was doing from 1532-1544 and every single minute in between. Thankfully, the jury has affirmed what he was doing, or getting set to do, at that time.


2) 2213hrs RL's phone receives a text message - 1532hrs the Girl's phone stops moving equals 19 minutes SO:
"OMG - This correlates!! This is too close a timing so it means RL actually did the murders!!".

When, in reality it all equals:

OMG!! RL got a text the night of the day the girls were killed, hours after they were killed. I bet LE even knows from whom the text came as we already know that RL was fully investigated as a potential suspect and CLEARED.

OMG!!! "In the area where A&L were found!!" Of course it was. His home is up at the top of the hill from where their bodies were found on his property.


Alternatively in a purple haze universe, maybe the text was "dammit RL, I forgot to unlug my earphones from A&L's phone jack!! Can 'ya wander down 'yer hill and snag them back for me?"" RL then heads down the hill (no flashlight or anything to see with remember as searchers were still out) and stands over Libby for 19 minutes contemplating exactly how he's going to move her and unplug those headphones without actually moving her or the phone (hmmmm, when did they actally get 'plugged in' for the experts in the crowd???) ....

All JMO ...

I have never understood the reasoning for this. Is the implication the killer or killers lifted up poor Abby's body and decided to listen to Spotify while people were actively searching for the girls?
My apologies, I simply fail to follow the logic.

 

[twall]

RL (or anyone else) cleared? NM dances around the question when Barb MacDonald asks him at the post verdict presser.
@13:00

Should Richard Allen Get a New Trial? | Vinnie Politan Investigates

Vinnie Politan investigates new filings by Richard Allen's attorneys that may point to another suspect in the murders of Abby Williams and Libby German.

www.courttv.com

 

[flashy09]

https://fox59.com/news/former-delphi-murders-suspect-made-detailed-confession-to-killings-attorneys-say/

"Davis told the officer that Logan said he was walking with the girls through the woods to take them back to his home and show them some of his animals. Logan allegedly told his fellow inmate that he used a box cutter to slit Libby’s throat and took Abby with him “for a while” but never said exactly where. Davis recounted that Logan said he had slit both girls’ throats."

Wasn't it determined that Abby had died first? Either way this is a ridiculous scenario.
Davis sounds like KK looking for his 15 minutes of fame and relevance.

 

[Vaderman]

https://fox59.com/news/former-delphi-murders-suspect-made-detailed-confession-to-killings-attorneys-say/

"Davis told the officer that Logan said he was walking with the girls through the woods to take them back to his home and show them some of his animals. Logan allegedly told his fellow inmate that he used a box cutter to slit Libby’s throat and took Abby with him “for a while” but never said exactly where. Davis recounted that Logan said he had slit both girls’ throats."

Wasn't it determined that Abby had died first? Either way this is a ridiculous scenario.
Davis sounds like KK looking for his 15 minutes of fame and relevance.

It's also insulting for them to claim that Abby wanted to willingly go see "his horses" when, by all accounts, she was an incredibly shy and timid girl.

 

[somequestions]

If the surveillance video showing BW's white van did not arrive back until almost 2:45pm, that makes a big difference to me. I can understand how BW thought that "around 2:30pm" could actually be around 2:45pm, but it does make a difference. If the phone was already across the creek by 2:32pm, that means that Richard Allen might not have been scared by a van (or white van, whatever his confession said). It did not seem to affect Richard Allen that much if he was already on the other side of the creek by 2:32pm if SC does not see him walking down 300 N until 3:57pm. Which of these witnesses do you believe?

The timestamp of the surveillance video showing BW's van arriving back at the street leading to his house is what needs to be examined, but after all this time wouldn't that already have been done?

What actually caused Richard Allen to take Abigail Williams and Liberty German across the creek? Now, do you not have to take in the possibility that it was to take them to someone's house? I still do not think Ron Logan has anything to do with it, but you have to consider it.

Maybe in a few years when the appellate court actually gets to take a look at this case there will be answers to all these questions. I keep wondering what the jurors think.

 

[Bekind89]

If the surveillance video showing BW's white van did not arrive back until almost 2:45pm, that makes a big difference to me. I can understand how BW thought that "around 2:30pm" could actually be around 2:45pm, but it does make a difference. If the phone was already across the creek by 2:32pm, that means that Richard Allen might not have been scared by a van (or white van, whatever his confession said). It did not seem to affect Richard Allen that much if he was already on the other side of the creek by 2:32pm if SC does not see him walking down 300 N until 3:57pm. Which of these witnesses do you believe?

The timestamp of the surveillance video showing BW's van arriving back at the street leading to his house is what needs to be examined, but after all this time wouldn't that already have been done?

What actually caused Richard Allen to take Abigail Williams and Liberty German across the creek? Now, do you not have to take in the possibility that it was to take them to someone's house? I still do not think Ron Logan has anything to do with it, but you have to consider it.

Maybe in a few years when the appellate court actually gets to take a look at this case there will be answers to all these questions. I keep wondering what the jurors think.

I believe RA made them cross the creek so they would be more secluded.
I also don't believe RA was watching the time so closely that he couldn't have been off by 15 minutes and sorry, but I just do not see how 15 minutes matters that much. Jmo.

 

[INfisherman]

If the surveillance video showing BW's white van did not arrive back until almost 2:45pm, that makes a big difference to me. I can understand how BW thought that "around 2:30pm" could actually be around 2:45pm, but it does make a difference. If the phone was already across the creek by 2:32pm, that means that Richard Allen might not have been scared by a van (or white van, whatever his confession said). It did not seem to affect Richard Allen that much if he was already on the other side of the creek by 2:32pm if SC does not see him walking down 300 N until 3:57pm. Which of these witnesses do you believe?

The timestamp of the surveillance video showing BW's van arriving back at the street leading to his house is what needs to be examined, but after all this time wouldn't that already have been done?

What actually caused Richard Allen to take Abigail Williams and Liberty German across the creek? Now, do you not have to take in the possibility that it was to take them to someone's house? I still do not think Ron Logan has anything to do with it, but you have to consider it.

Maybe in a few years when the appellate court actually gets to take a look at this case there will be answers to all these questions. I keep wondering what the jurors think.

Hi @somequestions

RA has consistently told a mixture of truth & lies since the day he spoke to DD. The confessions are no different. He took them DTH to SA them & likely across the creek for more isolation from potential interruption. The phone stopped moving at 2:32. The van could potentially be seen &/or heard from across the creek as it was traveling back the gravel lane. 10-15 minutes difference (if the timestamp is correct) still gives RA plenty of time to be on 300N almost 90 minutes later. It’s also important to note, he’s still the one prior to the van even becoming part of the story.

MOO

 

[Bekind89]

Hi @somequestions

RA has consistently told a mixture of truth & lies since the day he spoke to DD. The confessions are no different. He took them DTH to SA them & likely across the creek for more isolation from potential interruption. The phone stopped moving at 2:32. The van could potentially be seen &/or heard from across the creek as it was traveling back the gravel lane. 10-15 minutes difference (if the timestamp is correct) still gives RA plenty of time to be on 300N almost 90 minutes later. It’s also important to note, he’s still the one prior to the van even becoming part of the story.

MOO

Exactly and we mustn't forget that RA was drinking that day. We will never know the actual amount of alcohol he consumed but in my experience with alcoholics and heavy drinkers, they rarely tell the truth about the amount of alcohol they consume.

 

[INfisherman]

Exactly and we mustn't forget that RA was drinking that day. We will never know the actual amount of alcohol he consumed but in my experience with alcoholics and heavy drinkers, they rarely tell the truth about the amount of alcohol they consume.

That’s what he claimed, yes. It wouldn’t surprise me if that were untrue or not as much of a contributor as he tries to emphasize. He had the wits to cover his face & bring both a box cutter & gun. That tells me it wasn’t a spur of the moment decision. He came prepared to end a life one way or another. No evidence that’s fact, so nothing to really debate. I could be completely wrong. Doesn’t change the outcome, unfortunately.

JMO

 

[Vaderman]

Exactly and we mustn't forget that RA was drinking that day. We will never know the actual amount of alcohol he consumed but in my experience with alcoholics and heavy drinkers, they rarely tell the truth about the amount of alcohol they consume.

Yup. As a recovering alcoholic, I can vouch for this 100%. RA drinking and acting/reacting chaotically is something that just makes sense to me.

I can imagine him in that slight drunken stupor meandering around the trails that day, finding the girls and reacting impulsively, only to rushing around in that panic trying to "fix" what he did.