GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #219

[Megnut]

2:56.00

Gray compares images of Richard Allen, side by side.

Of course, we already know that Rick is BG, but for anyone who still holds a modicum of reservation, this should fix that. Even the stance is spot on.

 

[Megnut]

3:08.00

"That be a gun"... Gray Hughes suggests she might have said, "[could] that be a gun?".... just the 'could' dropped off.

Fits.

 

[BexLuth0r]

Legal question... should the defence be releasing this video? I mean legally. I thought all the evidence was still sealed?

 

[girlhasnoname]

Kinda funny in a sick way to realize it was the defence who released the video.

They’ve been forever telling us he wasn’t there, it was somebody else.

Now they’ve shown us RA was there. THEY put their “innocent” client on the bridge.

Whoa! This Defence Team need to go back to school.

MOO

They need to be disbarred IMO.

 

[Salah11]

I am amazed the defense released this video as it again shows Ricky is the guilty man.

He fits the height and all the people they have tried to blame I believe are all fatter or over 6ft and this guy you can see in the video he isn’t tall and for a man he is on the short side as we can see.

 

[mrjitty]

I am amazed the defense released this video as it again shows Ricky is the guilty man.

He fits the height and everything the people tbey have tried to blame I believe are all fatter or over 6ft and this guy you can see in the video he isn’t tall.

Hard to understand what the strategy is seeing it appears to have embarrassed their own law tubers accounts of the video

 

[Warwick7]

Yeah - i am not sure there is much advice for this situation other than to run, and maybe split up. But if a gun was already out, per the state case, then options were all bad.

M00:

One night many many months ago over a bottle of wine my husband said "...a man stalking you that close has no other intentions in the end other than to kill you. Those girls should have turned around charged him screaming every inch of the way. It's shock and awe on victims part. They could have pushed him over the edge of the train trussle. Even if they went over the edge too---they were going to die anyway, he was going to make sure of that."

He's also told me if I am ever held at gun point and told to drive, to drive the car right into a building. Stating again that the abductor in the end isn't going to let me live. There's a chance I could survive. Inevitably the crash would stop from me eventually from being raped.

This is all his M00, and yes extreme. But, so is being stripped of your clothes and murdered with your neck slit in a forest.

Ps: He brought up Whitney Heichel (she has a thread here) and Tom Hanks in Turner and Hooch, in reference to driving the car straight into a wall or building. If she had done that how different the circumstances would have been.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Hard to understand what the strategy is seeing it appears to have embarrassed their own law tubers accounts of the video

Looks like they're back peddling now.

Seriously, nothing is funny about this and there never will be. 2 innocent young girls named Abby and Libby were viciously murdered by this evil 'nobody'. He didn't just snap, he's had some sick fantasy of this type of behavior for a long time I believe and was determined to commit that evil act that day.

The D and their lackey minions have lied, blamed, lied some more, taunted, and exploited the victims and their families throughout the entire trial. Their behavior is beyond disgusting and gives good and decent Defense Attorneys a bad name.

The 'sheeple' who steadfastly followed and argued against all common sense and logic will still continue to do so. It's a game to be won or lost, not about Truth or Justice. They do not exist in my mind any longer and I will not indulge their game playing period.

Here's to a long, hard 130 years Ricky. You earned and deserve each and every one of them.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

M00:

One night many many months ago over a bottle of wine my husband said "...a man stalking you that close has no other intentions in the end other than to kill you. Those girls should have turned around charged him screaming every inch of the way. It's shock and awe on victims part. They could have pushed him over the edge of the train trussle. Even if they went over the edge too---they were going to die anyway, he was going to make sure of that."

He's also told me if I am ever held at gun point and told to drive, to drive the car right into a building. Stating again that the abductor in the end isn't going to let me live. There's a chance I could survive. Inevitably the crash would stop from me eventually from being raped.

This is all his M00, and yes extreme. But, so is being stripped of your clothes and murdered with your neck slit in a forest.

Ps: He brought up Whitney Heichel (she has a thread here) and Tom Hanks in Turner and Hooch, in reference to driving the car straight into a wall or building. If she had done that how different the circumstances would have been.

Respectfully, they were just kids out on a walk during the middle of the day atop a 70 foot bridge. Their young minds were probably nowhere close to even considering what could or was about to take place.

I don't think even as an adult in that situation I would have had the wherewithal to charge him while he's holding a gun on me and risk going over the side of the bridge. I bet their young minds never even considered it remotely possible they would end up viciously murdered by this .

Oh, what an evil, vile child murderer he is. I hope he never finds one moment of peace or joy again.

JMO

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Respectfully, they were just kids out on a walk during the middle of the day atop a 70 foot bridge. Their young minds were probably nowhere close to even considering what could or was about to take place.

I don't think even as an adult in that situation I would have had the wherewithal to charge him while he's holding a gun on me and risk going over the side of the bridge. I bet their young minds never even considered it remotely possible they would end up viciously murdered by this .

Oh, what an evil, vile child murderer he is. I hope he never finds one moment of peace or joy again.

JMO

I learned the wreck your car advice in a martial arts class as adult along with don't fight fair etc.
These girls probably had not learned tricks for staying safe yet.

 

[Warwick7]

Respectfully, they were just kids out on a walk during the middle of the day atop a 70 foot bridge. Their young minds were probably nowhere close to even considering what could or was about to take place.

I don't think even as an adult in that situation I would have had the wherewithal to charge him while he's holding a gun on me and risk going over the side of the bridge. I bet their young minds never even considered it remotely possible they would end up viciously murdered by this .

Oh, what an evil, vile child murderer he is. I hope he never finds one moment of peace or joy again.

JMO

You are right.
However, if we educate ourselves and educate our young people, there could be different outcomes....maybe.

 

[flashy09]

After all these years of following the case it is so surreal to watch the video. I wish parts of it had been released at the beginning. I think the 2 seconds of non zoomed in/enhanced video of RA in real speed does a better job of showing his height, body frame, and true way of walking. Same with his voice.

When I first listened I thought Libby was nervously laughing in a " yes...omg this is crazy" way to Abby asking if he is right behind her on the bridge, but she makes similar exhale sounds later in the video. I think she is just mouth breathing and it's emphasized due to her breathing hard out of nerves.

The way Abby runs off the bridge is so sad. She is terrified.

It actually sounds to me more like Libby is the one saying "hi" or making a scared sound when RA says "guys."

I knew the girls were young, but hearing Libby's childlike voice is so so sad. I have a strong feeling all the path talk was her being polite and trying to be casual like their plan all along was to not recross the bridge....like she didn't want to embarrass him or herself if he wasn't following them with malicious intent.

 

[BexLuth0r]

The murder sheet have released an episode about the video release

They've stated its the stabilised version of the video. This actually makes me even sadder. To think the phone/video was flying around all over the place shows how panicked they were!

 

[cuecard]

That video is a gut punch because you know what’s coming next. I don’t know why but I assumed in the video he’d be a little further away but he is right on them and he knew they had nowhere to go at that point. I don’t think they realised the severity of their situation until it was too late.

It’s a real tough watch.

 

[tlcya]

MS podcasters say that in their non expert opinions, BG sounds exactly like RA. Based on their having been at court and heard the tapes of RA in his many whiny phone calls.

 

[Salah11]

That video is a gut punch because you know what’s coming next. I don’t know why but I assumed in the video he’d be a little further away but he is right on them and he knew they had nowhere to go at that point. I don’t think they realised the severity of their situation until it was too late.

It’s a real tough watch.

I think they knew as doesn’t take a genius to figure out they were trapped and alone with a man with a gun. No good is ever gonna come from that and these were teenagers not little kids.

Abby didn’t have a chance to escape but Libby did which is so why for me it’s so poignant.

 

[Megnut]

After all these years of following the case it is so surreal to watch the video. I wish parts of it had been released at the beginning. I think the 2 seconds of non zoomed in/enhanced video of RA in real speed does a better job of showing his height, body frame, and true way of walking. Same with his voice.

When I first listened I thought Libby was nervously laughing in a " yes...omg this is crazy" way to Abby asking if he is right behind her on the bridge, but she makes similar exhale sounds later in the video. I think she is just mouth breathing and it's emphasized due to her breathing hard out of nerves.

The way Abby runs off the bridge is so sad. She is terrified.

It actually sounds to me more like Libby is the one saying "hi" or making a scared sound when RA says "guys."

I knew the girls were young, but hearing Libby's childlike voice is so so sad. I have a strong feeling all the path talk was her being polite and trying to be casual like their plan all along was to not recross the bridge....like she didn't want to embarrass him or herself if he wasn't following them with malicious intent.

This.

Many of us women have situations where our instinct was fear... hold your breath, make eye contact, AVOID eye contact, pretend you're on the phone.

Consider: Libby's dialogue was to neutralize danger, don't mind us, we're just waiting to crosls back over, we don't think you're dangerous (while being very afraid that he is)...

She could havepretended to be on her phone... I've done that, I'll never know if it was effective or if my danger assessment was off... but if Libby had, it may or may not have deterred Richard Allen but would have cost her the phone and the recording with it. Pitched right into the river.

Scared as they were, they didn't KNOW how evil that man was going to be. Maybe he was going to be angry they'd crossed the bridge, angry if they trespassed
Who kidnaps TWO teenagers in broad daylight? They were afraid but IMO didn't necessarily know HOW afraid they needed to be. There was always the possibility they he wasn't after them at all (keeping in mind I don't know what he said or did when they passed by him earlier.

I think where adults really error, when saying how they would have reacted or how the girls should have reacted, is in applying hindsight, statistics/life experience.

There girls needed time TO react. To assess whether he was a real threat or just felt like one. Certain actions/reactions escalate.
...

In that period of understandable indecision, he overtook them.

Run? And your BFF is killed?

Not fair to second guess the impossible situation Richard Allen put them in.

JMO

 

[Salah11]

They clearly knew something was amiss as you can hear Libby snuffling.

It’s highly likely something happened before that video started hence why Libby was upset and decided to record him. Abby is also distressed by her body language and then she runs off the bridge at pace.

I am going to hazard a guess and he had ordered them off the bridge moments before Libby started to record and that’s why both girls are both upset.

 

[LeahBee]

Devastating how many of us here can recognize and relate to the fear and uncertainty these two young girls were experiencing in this moment, without even seeing their expressions or body language.

Most of us come out of most of these situations unscathed but the fear is real. How often I've pretended to be on the phone, had "9-1-" dialed and waiting to have to type the final "1", walked with my keys between my knuckles, asked a stranger to pretend to be my friend to "rescue me" from someone, etc. And we can never call it paranoia or overreacting because the worst case scenario CAN happen - like to Abby and Libby in broad daylight, with a friend, in a place where there could be witnesses.

Love and comfort to all of you here who might be recalling these feelings again. ♡ It's absolutely heartbreaking that these girl's final moments were those feelings of trapped terror.

 

[ShamelessObserver]

Some observations:

1) He is walking REALLY fast across the bridge, he had done that walk plenty of times previously in my opinion

2) You can tell he isn’t tall at all

3) There is a better perspective of his walk, posture, height and voice displayed in this video. Not the small clips and photo LE released.

4) It absolutely shows there is only ONE other person with the girls. There’s nobody else there.

5) Kinda covered above but there’s only 1 male voice, all BG. It’s not two different male voices.

6) You can see BG’s shadow just a split second before the clip finishes. You can see it amongst the backdrop of the trees.