GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #220

[Vaderman]

Autopsies:

Abby's autopsy came first.[. She suffered only a single wound to the left side of her neck, a cut about two inches in length and an inch deep. That had partially opened up her left jugular vein. Based on the edges of the wound, the killer had likely inflicted it from right to left. Because the injury involved a vein, the bleeding out was slow. Abby could have held on for five or ten minutes. She had no defensive wounds, no bruising, no other incisions, although her arms and hands were frozen in an almost pugilistic attitude. While Abby's body bore no obvious ligature marks, there were two faint lines across her face. A mark ran between her chin and lower lip, and another dipped below her chin. [Investigator] determined that the lines were left periimortem, around the time of her death. He thought the markings resembled the edges of duct tape, but no adhesive residue had been left behind.

Libby's injuries were more extensive. [Investigator] found four, or maybe five, separate incisions across her throat. Her left and right carotid arteries and her left jugular vein were completely severed. At least two incisions overlapped, and the abrasions told the forensic pathologist that the killer had drawn the knife back and forth several times across Libby's throat. [Investigator] noted that the girl had suffered a cerebral edema, or swelling of the brain. That was evidence that Libby could have lived five to ten minutes with her throat cut. She also had no defensive wounds."
Shadow of the Bridge

 

[Vaderman]

BBMFF

There was only 1 girl in this case. Gabby. Who is the other one? Or do you have the wrong thread?

Abby and Libby in Delphi?

 

[angelainwi]

BBMFF

There was only 1 girl in this case. Gabby. Who is the other one? Or do you have the wrong thread?

This is the Abby and Libby thread, maybe you thought you were in the Gabby thread...

 

[INfisherman]

Autopsies:

Abby's autopsy came first.[. She suffered only a single wound to the left side of her neck, a cut about two inches in length and an inch deep. That had partially opened up her left jugular vein. Based on the edges of the wound, the killer had likely inflicted it from right to left. Because the injury involved a vein, the bleeding out was slow. Abby could have held on for five or ten minutes. She had no defensive wounds, no bruising, no other incisions, although her arms and hands were frozen in an almost pugilistic attitude. While Abby's body bore no obvious ligature marks, there were two faint lines across her face. A mark ran between her chin and lower lip, and another dipped below her chin. [Investigator] determined that the lines were left periimortem, around the time of her death. He thought the markings resembled the edges of duct tape, but no adhesive residue had been left behind.

Libby's injuries were more extensive. [Investigator] found four, or maybe five, separate incisions across her throat. Her left and right carotid arteries and her left jugular vein were completely severed. At least two incisions overlapped, and the abrasions told the forensic pathologist that the killer had drawn the knife back and forth several times across Libby's throat. [Investigator] noted that the girl had suffered a cerebral edema, or swelling of the brain. That was evidence that Libby could have lived five to ten minutes with her throat cut. She also had no defensive wounds."
Shadow of the Bridge

Absolute animal.

I can’t expand on my feelings because it will draw negative attention from the powers that be. One doesn’t treat little girls like that, especially a father of a daughter. I loathe this man & his main vocal supporter for that very reason. Anyhoo…

RBBM

I feel tape is not a likely source for those markings. He may have used something on his person as a makeshift gag but instead of stuffing it in her mouth, it was held across her mouth after the mortal wound was made. The main thing that comes to my mind is a plastic shopping bag, if that was in fact what he was carrying inside his jacket & seems to be sticking out of the opening around his chest. @Boxer has suggested the beer in the plastic bag for a long time & I'm leaning heavily that way in agreement the more I think about it.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Ah, @girlhasnoname, the coup de grâce: finding the unspent round:

"Alternative light sources could provide an even more comprehensive view of the blood. [Investigators] set up a device, and blue light shone down on the scene. [Investigator]'s eyes went to the ground. Something was glittering there. He shone a flashlight and saw the head stamp of a cartridge peeking up through the leaves, between the two girls. It looked intact, and ever so slightly pressed into the ground."
Shadow of the Bridge

That paragraph makes me wonder again...was the round intentionally pressed into the ground?

I believe this sick child killer did leave it there on purpose. Part of his staging the scene, which I believe he had fantasized about for some time.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Autopsies:

Abby's autopsy came first.[. She suffered only a single wound to the left side of her neck, a cut about two inches in length and an inch deep. That had partially opened up her left jugular vein. Based on the edges of the wound, the killer had likely inflicted it from right to left. Because the injury involved a vein, the bleeding out was slow. Abby could have held on for five or ten minutes. She had no defensive wounds, no bruising, no other incisions, although her arms and hands were frozen in an almost pugilistic attitude. While Abby's body bore no obvious ligature marks, there were two faint lines across her face. A mark ran between her chin and lower lip, and another dipped below her chin. [Investigator] determined that the lines were left periimortem, around the time of her death. He thought the markings resembled the edges of duct tape, but no adhesive residue had been left behind.

Libby's injuries were more extensive. [Investigator] found four, or maybe five, separate incisions across her throat. Her left and right carotid arteries and her left jugular vein were completely severed. At least two incisions overlapped, and the abrasions told the forensic pathologist that the killer had drawn the knife back and forth several times across Libby's throat. [Investigator] noted that the girl had suffered a cerebral edema, or swelling of the brain. That was evidence that Libby could have lived five to ten minutes with her throat cut. She also had no defensive wounds."
Shadow of the Bridge

Thanks for sharing this tidbits of info and thanks for putting that autopsy info under a spoiler, I can't read the specifics, it would be stuck in my mind forever.

You're the best V.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Absolute animal.

I can’t expand on my feelings because it will draw negative attention from the powers that be. One doesn’t treat little girls like that, especially a father of a daughter. I loathe this man & his main vocal supporter for that very reason. Anyhoo…

RBBM

I feel tape is not a likely source for those markings. He may have used something on his person as a makeshift gag but instead of stuffing it in her mouth, it was held across her mouth after the mortal wound was made. The main thing that comes to my mind is a plastic shopping bag, if that was in fact what he was carrying inside his jacket & seems to be sticking out of the opening around his chest. @Boxer has suggested the beer in the plastic bag for a long time & I'm leaning heavily that way in agreement the more I think about it.

Although I didn't read the report I agree 100% that RA is an absolute animal.

 

[FromGermany1]

One doesn’t treat little girls like that, especially a father of a daughter.

KA doesn't seem to think about it. How does their daughter feel about the whole situation? Abandoned by both of her parents, I think.

 

[Justice101]

Autopsies:

Abby's autopsy came first.[. She suffered only a single wound to the left side of her neck, a cut about two inches in length and an inch deep. That had partially opened up her left jugular vein. Based on the edges of the wound, the killer had likely inflicted it from right to left. Because the injury involved a vein, the bleeding out was slow. Abby could have held on for five or ten minutes. She had no defensive wounds, no bruising, no other incisions, although her arms and hands were frozen in an almost pugilistic attitude. While Abby's body bore no obvious ligature marks, there were two faint lines across her face. A mark ran between her chin and lower lip, and another dipped below her chin. [Investigator] determined that the lines were left periimortem, around the time of her death. He thought the markings resembled the edges of duct tape, but no adhesive residue had been left behind.

Libby's injuries were more extensive. [Investigator] found four, or maybe five, separate incisions across her throat. Her left and right carotid arteries and her left jugular vein were completely severed. At least two incisions overlapped, and the abrasions told the forensic pathologist that the killer had drawn the knife back and forth several times across Libby's throat. [Investigator] noted that the girl had suffered a cerebral edema, or swelling of the brain. That was evidence that Libby could have lived five to ten minutes with her throat cut. She also had no defensive wounds."
Shadow of the Bridge

No way Libby could have lived 5 to 10 minutes after having those injuries.

 

[Megnut]

No way Libby could have lived 5 to 10 minutes after having those injuries.

I won't cite the line here because it's safely behind a spoiler and I'll be delicate here. Yes, catastrophic injuries but there's a brain finding the indicates time elasped between injury and death. She did not die instantly.

Awful, awful, awful and he stood right there watching them die.

That's a whole 'nother level of evil. Sadistic as hell.

Same place he's headed.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

To add another point -- LG may have sustained devastating wounds, was still alive for a period of time, and then received a final fatal injury. I believe that's consistent with the crime scene and the autopsy report.

A father himself that could inflict those injuries, watch two little girls suffer, ultimately dispatching them from a world they didn't want to leave is no father at all.

Ricky Allen is a fraud of a human being.

JMO

 

[Bekind89]

To add another point -- LG may have sustained devastating wounds, was still alive for a period of time, and then received a final fatal injury. I believe that's consistent with the crime scene and the autopsy report.

A father himself that could inflict those injuries, watch two little girls suffer, ultimately dispatching them from a world they didn't want to leave is no father at all.

Ricky Allen is a fraud of a human being.

JMO

Speaking of fatherhood, did anyone else ever hear him ask about his daughter on those phone calls to his wife and mother? I didn't ever hear any of them mention her all. No asking how she is doing, is she alright, nothing. Not one word.
Isn't that so very odd or is it just me?

 

[Boxer]

Ah, @girlhasnoname, the coup de grâce: finding the unspent round:

"Alternative light sources could provide an even more comprehensive view of the blood. [Investigators] set up a device, and blue light shone down on the scene. [Investigator]'s eyes went to the ground. Something was glittering there. He shone a flashlight and saw the head stamp of a cartridge peeking up through the leaves, between the two girls. It looked intact, and ever so slightly pressed into the ground."
Shadow of the Bridge

That paragraph makes me wonder again...was the round intentionally pressed into the ground?

I think it got stepped on.

 

[Boxer]

I believe this sick child killer did leave it there on purpose. Part of his staging the scene, which I believe he had fantasized about for some time.

JMO

Agree. He was living in a stupid movie he made up out of horror sex with teen . Just a f'd up brain that unfortunately was riding around directing what used to be a man.

 

[Megnut]

I think it got stepped on.

Agreed.

And he knew something only the killer could know.

He knew he racked the slide while on the bridge or just off it.

He knew the killer didn't shoot the girls.

He knew that a cartridge spit out on the bridge couldn't walk how-ever-many-feet to between where the girls were found.

Only someone who was there could know all that.

What he got wrong, what he failed to realize, was that HE gave the cartridge legs (his) and walked it to where it was found.

So many different ways he accidentally told on himself.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

The Delphi Murders: Covering the Case

Our book Shadow of the Bridge covers the story of the investigation into the Delphi murders. We did not put a lot in their about our experience. We will answer...

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[Vaderman]

"[Investigator] went over all the garments. The sweatshirt, the shoes, the pants, the underwear. The CSIs and the dive team had recovered everything, aside from Libby's underpants and a single sock. Those had either been taken as trophies by the killer, or else washed away down Deer Creek"
Shadow of the Bridge

What happened to RA's "prizes"?

 

[INfisherman]

"[Investigator] went over all the garments. The sweatshirt, the shoes, the pants, the underwear. The CSIs and the dive team had recovered everything, aside from Libby's underpants and a single sock. Those had either been taken as trophies by the killer, or else washed away down Deer Creek"
Shadow of the Bridge

What happened to RA's "prizes"?

Likely in the same place as the cell phone he owned in 2017 but was not present in his home when LE searched it.

MOO

 

[Vaderman]

They also cover the lack of DNA:

"[Investigator] found very little evidence. Most of the clothing was dirty, damp, or soaked from the creek. Water washed away and diluted DNA evidence. Items like the shoes were filthy, caked in dirt and plant material. That inhibited DNA evidence too. And then, of course, there was the blood. In the hierarchy of DNA, blood was powerful, overwhelming. A sea of blood from a victim was sure to drown any trace amount of offender skin cells."
Shadow of the Bridge

 

[INfisherman]

Speaking of fatherhood, did anyone else ever hear him ask about his daughter on those phone calls to his wife and mother? I didn't ever hear any of them mention her all. No asking how she is doing, is she alright, nothing. Not one word.
Isn't that so very odd or is it just me?

I think it’s obvious I would never defend that lowlife, but I imagine the recordings of calls we heard as evidence were only the ones which implicated him in the murders or cast him as being involved or in a negative light. Any calls deemed "ordinary" or not making him look guilty would most likely be ignored. Odd that his attorneys may not have brought that up in court to the jury to try & curb the damage a bit, IMO - note I haven’t read through the entirety of the transcripts.

I really do understand from where you’re coming & agree with where you’re leaning but it’s also important to keep in mind we’re dealing only with evidence presented at trial which isn’t necessarily representative of every phone call he may have made or taken in which he may have had discussed other things such as his daughter. I tend to feel he didn’t ask about her on the recordings we did hear because he was more focused on getting what he wanted from the person to which he was speaking at the time.

MOO