GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #220

[sapphire blue]

During his first interrogation, Richard Allen said he may have been wearing a blue or black Carhartt zip up jacket. He refers to it being a zip up, yet the picture of bridge guy clearly shows the jacket being worn by bridge guy was held together with snaps (in my opinion). Maybe he did this because he knew he actually wore a jacket with snaps on February 13, 2017?

Carharrt do have jackets that zip up and also have outside snaps.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Oh yes, I want to know also! "Blablabla blabla - I love you."

I even would like to know, why he allowed KA to attend Libby's funeral ..... Seems to have been less dangerous for himself than her being on the search group, finding something pointing to her own husband possibly.

I believe RA thought it would appear suspicious if KA or him did not attend the funeral. He surely couldn't so soon after the release of BridgeGuy photo for fear of someone connecting him in appearance.

His solution sending KA was one of self preservation IMO. Plus, she could have heard all the 'talk' going on and share that with him.

Sneaky little ole' Ricky, or so he thought.

JMO

 

[Boxer]

Carharrt do have jackets that zip up and also have outside snaps.

I am pretty sure he made sure there was a similar but zip jacket in his closet from 2017 on.

 

[Justice101]

Can you post a link? I can’t seem to find it. TIA!!

They had no chance. They casually say Hi and then he says "Down the Hill" - Abby running to the gravel path was a precursor to what vibes she was getting from this evil man. The video ends abruptly before they go down the hill.

My heart just aches for those innocent girls! Listen to their voices...the were just children!!!

 

[somequestions]

I am pretty sure he made sure there was a similar but zip jacket in his closet from 2017 on.

According to the exhibits released the jacket did not look like it had snaps on it. In the bridge guy picture, it looks like the jacket is being held together with snaps. It also looks like bridge guy could possibly have a watch on his right hand. But it could be the light and angles of the picture that cause me to see these details. Like so much of this case, it is difficult to come to a solid conclusion.

 

[somequestions]

I don't want to sound like a broken record but...

1:26 p.m.
The group of girls' take a picture on a bench East of the Freedom Bridge. They then begin walking toward the Freedom Bridge to walk back to their homes.

1:27 p.m.
RA is going westbound past the HHS to go park.
He parks by an old building and enters the trails through the Freedom Bridge Trailhead. Meanwhile the girls' are still making their way to the Freedom Bridge.

1:30 p.m. - 1:40 p.m.
Just East of the Freedom Bridge, not too far from the Freedom Bridge trailhead, the group of girls' see Bridge Guy entering the trails and RA sees the group of girls' leaving the trails after he arrived.

Shortly before 1:46 p.m.
Probably 1:43 p.m. ish
BB is driving under the bridge that goes over old state road 25.
She sees the group of girls' walking westbound on the bridge.
That bridge is just westbound of Freedom Bridge so it would not have taken the girls' very long to walk there after they crossed Freedom Bridge westbound.

1:46 p.m.
BB goes eastbound past HHS to park at the Mears' entrance. She sees no other cars.
I believe she exits her vehicle right away..
Probably around 1:47 p.m.

1:47 p.m. to 1:48 p.m.
KG arrives with Abby and Libby. Libby unplugs her IPhone from KG's car. This is when Libby probably grabbed her "Delphi Swimming" hoodie from KG's car. KG and Libby said bye and that they loved each other. KG briefly watched them walk towards the trail intersection. KG seen an SUV parked.

1:49
KG is seen leaving westbound past HHS.

If it takes around 15 minutes to walk from Freedom Bridge to the trail intersection then it fits that Allen (walking with a purpose) may have been walking past the intersection, or sitting on the bench that overlooks the creek, when he saw two cars parked at the Mears' entrance.

Another option is he seen an SUV and Sedan at the Mears' entrance when he was walking down 300 N and then left through the field after Sarah Carbaugh saw him around 3:57 p.m.

I do not know where Richard Allen got the idea that there was an SUV and sedan in the Mears parking lot.

At the Hooser Harvest store, there was a sedan and SUV in the Hoosier Harvest store parking lot so maybe when Richard Allen was walking in the field behind the Hoosier Harvest store to get back to his car, he saw the vehicles there and used that as his recollection of the vehicles parked in the Mears parking lot when he says he left the Monon High Bridge trail.

Richard Allen got back to his car around 4pm after being seen by SC walking on 300 N at around 3:56 pm. Being seen driving around Delphi after 4pm would prove Richard Allen was not telling the truth. According to Richard Allen's story he had gone home well before 4pm,, even if he said he left at 3:30pm. He even commented during the first interrogation that whatever he told DD in February 2017 was way too late for the time he left, as he thinks he was gone well before that time. The road 300 N is not very busy except for the people that arrived at the Mears parking entrance to look for Abby and Libby that day. Their vehicles were probably identified. How many other cars were not identified that drove past the HHS camera between 2:30pm and 3:56pm that day?

In my opinion, if Richard Allen's 2016 black Ford Focus SE is captured by any surveillance videos driving around Delphi, IN on February 13, 2017 after 4 pm, he is probably a guilty man. I know many people already think he is a guilty man, but that would officially close the case. I think the prosecution probably does have this video evidence somewhere or else calling SC as a witness would look foolish later (because of the time she claims she saw bridge guy Richard Allen walking on 300 N). I do not know why they did not bring up the video evidence at trial since Richard Allen had to get home somehow. I think that is all the questions I can think of regarding the timeline.

 

[shonyakay]

I do not know where Richard Allen got the idea that there was an SUV and sedan in the Mears parking lot.

At the Hooser Harvest store, there was a sedan and SUV in the Hoosier Harvest store parking lot so maybe when Richard Allen was walking in the field behind the Hoosier Harvest store to get back to his car, he saw the vehicles there and used that as his recollection of the vehicles parked in the Mears parking lot when he says he left the Monon High Bridge trail.

Richard Allen got back to his car around 4pm after being seen by SC walking on 300 N at around 3:56 pm. Being seen driving around Delphi after 4pm would prove Richard Allen was not telling the truth. According to Richard Allen's story he had gone home well before 4pm,, even if he said he left at 3:30pm. He even commented during the first interrogation that whatever he told DD in February 2017 was way too late for the time he left, as he thinks he was gone well before that time. The road 300 N is not very busy except for the people that arrived at the Mears parking entrance to look for Abby and Libby that day. Their vehicles were probably identified. How many other cars were not identified that drove past the HHS camera between 2:30pm and 3:56pm that day?

In my opinion, if Richard Allen's 2016 black Ford Focus SE is captured by any surveillance videos driving around Delphi, IN on February 13, 2017 after 4 pm, he is probably a guilty man. I know many people already think he is a guilty man, but that would officially close the case. I think the prosecution probably does have this video evidence somewhere or else calling SC as a witness would look foolish later (because of the time she claims she saw bridge guy Richard Allen walking on 300 N). I do not know why they did not bring up the video evidence at trial since Richard Allen had to get home somehow. I think that is all the questions I can think of regarding the timeline.

Was the gate blocking the Mears' entrance? Or was the gate open?
Whether the cars were parked inside or outside the gate is critical to know before we can make any determination.

I believe it would have taken Richard Allen quite a bit longer than a few minutes to get back to his car after being seen by SC.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Thank you for your Service:

 

[Boxer]

I do not know where Richard Allen got the idea that there was an SUV and sedan in the Mears parking lot.

At the Hooser Harvest store, there was a sedan and SUV in the Hoosier Harvest store parking lot so maybe when Richard Allen was walking in the field behind the Hoosier Harvest store to get back to his car, he saw the vehicles there and used that as his recollection of the vehicles parked in the Mears parking lot when he says he left the Monon High Bridge trail.

Richard Allen got back to his car around 4pm after being seen by SC walking on 300 N at around 3:56 pm. Being seen driving around Delphi after 4pm would prove Richard Allen was not telling the truth. According to Richard Allen's story he had gone home well before 4pm,, even if he said he left at 3:30pm. He even commented during the first interrogation that whatever he told DD in February 2017 was way too late for the time he left, as he thinks he was gone well before that time. The road 300 N is not very busy except for the people that arrived at the Mears parking entrance to look for Abby and Libby that day. Their vehicles were probably identified. How many other cars were not identified that drove past the HHS camera between 2:30pm and 3:56pm that day?

In my opinion, if Richard Allen's 2016 black Ford Focus SE is captured by any surveillance videos driving around Delphi, IN on February 13, 2017 after 4 pm, he is probably a guilty man. I know many people already think he is a guilty man, but that would officially close the case. I think the prosecution probably does have this video evidence somewhere or else calling SC as a witness would look foolish later (because of the time she claims she saw bridge guy Richard Allen walking on 300 N). I do not know why they did not bring up the video evidence at trial since Richard Allen had to get home somehow. I think that is all the questions I can think of regarding the timeline.

What is your question about driving around Delphi? Do you mean the route between the old CPS building and Whiteman Dr. ?

 

[somequestions]

What is your question about driving around Delphi? Do you mean the route between the old CPS building and Whiteman Dr. ?

I wanted to know if there was any video surveillance evidence of the route Richard Allen took home after the murders once his car left the old CPS building. What was his route between the old CPS building and his home on Whiteman Drive? If his 2016 black Ford Focus SE was captured by any surveillance cameras on that route driving back home after 4pm then I think that would be very good evidence to prove his guilt (my opinion).

SC saw bridge guy Richard Allen walking down 300 N back to his car parked at the old CPS building at about 3:56pm. Richard Allen was not seen on the Hoosier Harvest Store surveillance camera walking back to his car.

My question is "What was the route Richard Allen drove home after the murders?" He had to drive some route home that day.

 

[Boxer]

I looked extensively the neighborhood of Whiteman Dr.
as there was a search conducted across the field to the north of Whiteman Dr. of a shed or out-building.
I thought the perp left by the "deer trails" along Bridge Creek which go under Hwy 25 right to the Whiteman Dr. area.

The driving route between the Old CPS and Whiteman Dr. is south on i25, getting off west at Washington. This seems the most likely route - there is a gas station and a credit union that might have had cams picking up traffic, but the sheriff office was slow to take action, and the FBI support had to pick up the slack which added time for footage to disappear.

 

[Megnut]

I wanted to know if there was any video surveillance evidence of the route Richard Allen took home after the murders once his car left the old CPS building. What was his route between the old CPS building and his home on Whiteman Drive? If his 2016 black Ford Focus SE was captured by any surveillance cameras on that route driving back home after 4pm then I think that would be very good evidence to prove his guilt (my opinion).

SC saw bridge guy Richard Allen walking down 300 N back to his car parked at the old CPS building at about 3:56pm. Richard Allen was not seen on the Hoosier Harvest Store surveillance camera walking back to his car.

My question is "What was the route Richard Allen drove home after the murders?" He had to drive some route home that day.

That answer could be very simple. Their camera might not pick up a walker. But he might have chosen to cross behind it.

I know of a murder case, resulted in a well deserved murder conviction, LWOP plus 156. Ring camera captured victim, murderer and their baby enter her home, where he beat her to death with a bat. Ring picked up him leaving with the baby. No explanation for how it missed him carrying his dead girlfriend out but we know he did.

We know RA was there. We know he left.

Every case has questions that aren't answered....

The big ones are answered.

JMO

 

[somequestions]

That answer could be very simple. Their camera might not pick up a walker. But he might have chosen to cross behind it.

I know of a murder case, resulted in a well deserved murder conviction, LWOP plus 156. Ring camera captured victim, murderer and their baby enter her home, where he beat her to death with a bat. Ring picked up him leaving with the baby. No explanation for how it missed him carrying his dead girlfriend out but we know he did.

We know RA was there. We know he left.

Every case has questions that aren't answered....

The big ones are answered.

JMO

I agree there are questions that will always be left unanswered. In my opinion, I think the route Richard Allen took home after the murders was important.

Without Richard Allen, there never would have been a tip for KS to find. I could not understand why when Richard Allen offered to show the detectives how he drove to the Monon High Bridge trail that day they did not take him up on his offer. He offered this during his first interrogation. Showing police the route he drove to the Monon High Bridge trail and the route he drove home would have mattered to me, even if it is a little detail.

Also, I know he has confessed numerous times and there is the unspent cartridge that matches his gun found at the crime scene along with the evidence timeline of him being on the bridge and platform one. But since his 2016 black Ford Focus SE is the only one registered in all of Carroll County, I think it would have been good evidence against Richard Allen to show him driving around Delphi after 4pm when he claimed to be back at home watching the stock market. But he confessed later on anyway, so maybe it would not have mattered.

 

[Justice101]

I agree there are questions that will always be left unanswered. In my opinion, I think the route Richard Allen took home after the murders was important.

Without Richard Allen, there never would have been a tip for KS to find. I could not understand why when Richard Allen offered to show the detectives how he drove to the Monon High Bridge trail that day they did not take him up on his offer. He offered this during his first interrogation. Showing police the route he drove to the Monon High Bridge trail and the route he drove home would have mattered to me, even if it is a little detail.

Also, I know he has confessed numerous times and there is the unspent cartridge that matches his gun found at the crime scene along with the evidence timeline of him being on the bridge and platform one. But since his 2016 black Ford Focus SE is the only one registered in all of Carroll County, I think it would have been good evidence against Richard Allen to show him driving around Delphi after 4pm when he claimed to be back at home watching the stock market. But he confessed later on anyway, so maybe it would not have mattered.

it seems to me the prosecution does not use all of the arrows in their quiver.. because they don't want to confuse or overwhelm the jury especially if the evidence is not direct. I think they have to pick and choose the best so they can lay out their case.

To me, the most shocking (and important detail) that came out in trial was him confessing to the murder but giving the detail that a vehicle was coming down the gravel road that spooked him to take the girls across Deer Creek. Wasn't it a white van? Anyway... only the killer would have known that detail.

 

[tlcya]

“While we realize that filing an appeal is a part of his judicial rights, we wish he would not pursue this course of action and own up to his numerous confessions and accept the conviction he received after a trial of his peers. His actions continue hurting my family with the continued filings along with leaks of evidence and information. We have faith in the Lord and our justice system that our girls will finally get to rest in peace. The girls deserve better than these recent actions that have been done.”
Richard Allen Appeals Conviction, Citing Timeline Discrepancies and Evidence Concerns - Carroll County Comet

May their Rick Allen nightmare one day be over, until then the families of the girls' will remain in my prayers.

 

[Boxer]

“While we realize that filing an appeal is a part of his judicial rights, we wish he would not pursue this course of action and own up to his numerous confessions and accept the conviction he received after a trial of his peers. His actions continue hurting my family with the continued filings along with leaks of evidence and information. We have faith in the Lord and our justice system that our girls will finally get to rest in peace. The girls deserve better than these recent actions that have been done.”
Richard Allen Appeals Conviction, Citing Timeline Discrepancies and Evidence Concerns - Carroll County Comet

May their Rick Allen nightmare one day be over, until then the families of the girls' will remain in my prayers.

MOO
Like all good liars RA laid in some discrepancies.
HE said he crossed the creek because of the white van.
That is not a fact, it is the a statement by the suspect in a double murder.
MOO he saw a white van from where ever he was, probably was already on the north bank at the CS.
And one can clearly see the vehicles across the creek.

 

[Megnut]

MOO
Like all good liars RA laid in some discrepancies.
HE said he crossed the creek because of the white van.
That is not a fact, it is the a statement by the suspect in a double murder.
MOO he saw a white van from where ever he was, probably was already on the north bank at the CS.
And one can clearly see the vehicles across the creek.

100% this.

The confession is his awareness of the van.

He has reason to gloss over everything that happened between 2:14 and 2:32.

2:44, if accurate, doesn't exonerate him. It just tweaks the timeline. Perhaps Abby collapsed on the phone at 2:32, a slow horrendous death. And Libby was still alive at 2:44... maybe she tried to run...

JMO

 

[Warwick7]

100% this.

The confession is his awareness of the van.

He has reason to gloss over everything that happened between 2:14 and 2:32.

2:44, if accurate, doesn't exonerate him. It just tweaks the timeline. Perhaps Abby collapsed on the phone at 2:32, a slow horrendous death. And Libby was still alive at 2:44... maybe she tried to run...

JMO

BBM
Bam!!!

 

[Megnut]

That Abby was redressed tells me some things...

And that she was dressed in some of Libby's clothing tells me more.

It was a sexually motivated crime. Against little girls.

Why was Abby wearing Libby's clothes?

We don't know what happened between 2:14 and 2:32.... and that's because the victims/witnesses are dead, RA isn't talking, and IMO the evidence was collected by the creek.

What I can imagine though is the girls pleading for their lives, complying, promising not to tell, etc.

And I can imagine Libby convincing RA to let Abby go. The younger girl. And I can see Libby telegraphing to Abby to take Libby's pants. WITH THE PHONE. Outsmarting RA by a mile.

Bravery, courage, wits. Knowing she'll be left naked without pants but also counting on Abby getting away and calling for help...

But RA is one sick demented soul. Who didn't want to be caught and a live witness was a liability that he just wasn't going to risk.

With Abby fatally injured, Libby knew he was going to kill her, the fear those little girls felt is beyond comprehension.

Just how exactly the timing of BW's van factors into that, we can't really know because relying on RA for 100% accuracy isn't wise. He lies.

He incriminated himself no matter how you look at it. When BW drove home, whether it was at 2:28 or 2:44, RA confirms that he was down below the MHB.

Damning.

JMO

 

[Warwick7]

That Abby was redressed tells me some things...

And that she was dressed in some of Libby's clothing tells me more.

It was a sexually motivated crime. Against little girls.

Why was Abby wearing Libby's clothes?

We don't know what happened between 2:14 and 2:32.... and that's because the victims/witnesses are dead, RA isn't talking, and IMO the evidence was collected by the creek.

What I can imagine though is the girls pleading for their lives, complying, promising not to tell, etc.

And I can imagine Libby convincing RA to let Abby go. The younger girl. And I can see Libby telegraphing to Abby to take Libby's pants. WITH THE PHONE. Outsmarting RA by a mile.

Bravery, courage, wits. Knowing she'll be left naked without pants but also counting on Abby getting away and calling for help...

But RA is one sick demented soul. Who didn't want to be caught and a live witness was a liability that he just wasn't going to risk.

With Abby fatally injured, Libby knew he was going to kill her, the fear those little girls felt is beyond comprehension.

Just how exactly the timing of BW's van factors into that, we can't really know because relying on RA for 100% accuracy isn't wise. He lies.

He incriminated himself no matter how you look at it. When BW drove home, whether it was at 2:28 or 2:44, RA confirms that he was down below the MHB.

Damning.

JMO

omg you are spot on....