GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #220

[Boxer]

It probably is him. The jury made their decision. Even with the alternative theory of my scenario 2 in a previous post, it is very difficult as the timing is very limited in order for it to work.

Maybe it is what I am seeing in the photo of bridge guy that makes me wonder despite all the circumstantial evidence and factual evidence against RA. But the person in the bridge guy photo looks to me to be wearing a different type of jacket with snaps instead of a zipper. He looks to be left-handed based on a possible watch on his right wrist.

I know I would have liked Richard Allen to be captured on surveillance tape driving around in his car after 3:30 pm on February 13, 2017. Even though it is still circumstantial that would have made me sure that he did not go home to watch the stock market like he said he did in his interrogation.

The jacket is different, it's just representative of the type of jackets he wears. The original would be long gone and the similar replacement installed long ago in 2017.

I can tell you that I correctly identified the model of pistol in the BG photos long before it was made public. I also had maybe three types of employment I thought BG had. My main one was retail supervisor. Obviously I feel very certain he is the man on the bridge, and I am very happy jury found beyond a reasonable doubt he was the killer.

You express probably he is which is at least the standard that the family could successfully sue RA in civil court.

 

[somequestions]

The jacket is different, it's just representative of the type of jackets he wears. The original would be long gone and the similar replacement installed long ago in 2017.

I can tell you that I correctly identified the model of pistol in the BG photos long before it was made public. I also had maybe three types of employment I thought BG had. My main one was retail supervisor. Obviously I feel very certain he is the man on the bridge, and I am very happy jury found beyond a reasonable doubt he was the killer.

You express probably he is which is at least the standard that the family could successfully sue RA in civil court.

My point was that I think it is important to be sure.

My theory was that if Richard Allen was seen driving around by some surveillance camera around town after 3:30pm he is probably the killer. The reason is that during his first interrogation on October 13, 2022, he states that he knows he was not out in the Monon High Bridge area that late (3:30pm) after they presented him with a copy of the tip information he gave to DD, the conservation officer back in February 2017.

Yes, he could have gone home earlier and then gone out again after 3:30pm, but he does not state that anywhere. While it is not hard evidence of when he left the Monon High Bridge trails in his car, it would be circumstantial enough that I would think enough of it to be sure he is the killer (my opinion).

 

[INfisherman]

Given that the prosecution presented a mountain of circumstantial evidence, there either wasn’t any surveillance footage of him driving around after 4PM (he was seen by SC around 3:57 on 300N, IIRC, please correct if I’m mistaken) or if there was surveillance footage, neither the prosecution nor defense felt it lended itself to their case. NM was very careful in not allowing the defense to have many outs & was able to convince JG to suppress evidence which could mislead the jury (think cell phone data).

For me, what he was doing after the crimes took place proves almost nothing relative to the girls’ ending but that’s just how I see it & it’s not an issue if others feel differently. If there was video of him driving around, he’d likely use that to support his claims of innocence. "See? I wasn’t there!" The prosecution would likely counter with he had time to drive from the CPS building. Ends up a wash, more than likely.

The jury has to go with the evidence presented - woulda, coulda, shoulda doesn’t mean diddly. All 12 felt there was enough evidence to convict him, whether that means they were sure or beyond a reasonable doubt, the evidence was enough for them, after several days of deliberations. They didn’t have months to come up with questions to ask after the fact. That likely makes a difference too.

MOO

 

[INfisherman]

Looks like the clock started ticking for the appellate attorneys yesterday, as the Notice of Completion of Transcript was filed yesterday. Hopefully a PDF will surface at some point.

04/2025	Order Issued Court notes filing by Attorney Uliana of a Supplemental Request for Transcript and refers same to the Court Reporter. Judicial Officer: Gull, Frances -SJ Noticed: Baldwin, Andrew Joseph Noticed: Uliana, Stacy R Noticed: Leeman, Mark Kelly Order Signed: 05/26/2025
06/05/2025	Automated ENotice Issued to Parties Order Issued ---- 6/4/2025 : Andrew Joseph Baldwin;Mark Kelly Leeman;Stacy R Uliana
07/02/2025	Notice of Completion of Transcript Filed

@Niner, tagging you if you’re still tracking anything on this case. If not, let me know.

 

[Niner]

Looks like the clock started ticking for the appellate attorneys yesterday, as the Notice of Completion of Transcript was filed yesterday. Hopefully a PDF will surface at some point.

04/2025	Order Issued Court notes filing by Attorney Uliana of a Supplemental Request for Transcript and refers same to the Court Reporter. Judicial Officer: Gull, Frances -SJ Noticed: Baldwin, Andrew Joseph Noticed: Uliana, Stacy R Noticed: Leeman, Mark Kelly Order Signed: 05/26/2025
06/05/2025	Automated ENotice Issued to Parties Order Issued ---- 6/4/2025 : Andrew Joseph Baldwin;Mark Kelly Leeman;Stacy R Uliana
07/02/2025	Notice of Completion of Transcript Filed

@Niner, tagging you if you’re still tracking anything on this case. If not, let me know.

Thank you for the info! And yes - I am still keeping track on this case!

 

[Willow Knight]

Hi all.

It's moving to read this thread and see how many still have Abby and Libby in their hearts. Hard to stop thinking of these girls. My thoughts also include family and loved ones of these two angels. It has been said there are stages a person passes through during grief. A few years ago I lost my beautiful grand baby, the pain is always there however, I now can look at pictures of her and feel love. Memories.

Can't feel anything but anger when I think of Libby and Abby. Tried to take a break from posting, just brought out more anger. Not feeling closure even with that thing behind bars. Can't stop comprehending exactly what their last moments were like. The fear.

Sending love and positive energy to all holding the candle for Abby and Libby.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Hi all.

It's moving to read this thread and see how many still have Abby and Libby in their hearts. Hard to stop thinking of these girls. My thoughts also include family and loved ones of these two angels. It has been said there are stages a person passes through during grief. A few years ago I lost my beautiful grand baby, the pain is always there however, I now can look at pictures of her and feel love. Memories.

Can't feel anything but anger when I think of Libby and Abby. Tried to take a break from posting, just brought out more anger. Not feeling closure even with that thing behind bars. Can't stop comprehending exactly what their last moments were like. The fear.

Sending love and positive energy to all holding the candle for Abby and Libby.

Happy to see your post @Willow Knight. Truly sorry for the loss of your grandchild, but glad that you can at least look at pictures and relive some good memories. <hug>

This case devastated me emotionally, more than any I've ever followed on WS. I check here weekly usually just to make sure something major hasn't developed. I too have such anger in my heart for RA and his Defense Team, I can hardly stand it. What a mockery they made of the Justice System and I dare not think about the horrible details of Abby and Libby's final moments. There will never be closure for that IMO.

I follow the B. Kohberger thread and shockingly he made a Plea deal. Good riddance to that murdering monster. And Crystal Rogers finally got justice after 10 long years in her case. Hallelujah for her dear Mother, the poor children left behind and all of her family and loved ones.

Once they find that murdering father of his 3 young daughters, Travis Decker, I will likely cut way back. These cases can become personal to some of us and the inhumanity gets overwhelming.

#AlwaysJustice4All

imo

 

[Vaderman]

I've been thinking a lot about this case again lately and just what happened that day.

After seeing RA's anger instantly snap and recede in the interrogation videos, I'm leaning more towards an unfortunate chance encounter. He's drunk and agitated. He hears the girls giggling about something completely unrelated -- he thinks it's directed at him, things escalate to "down the hill" and he panics.

JMO

 

[Boxer]

MOO
So this crime was opportunistic, just like it seemed. A man who often carried a gun walking or hiking, who happened to have his work box cutter with him - saw vulnerability, and flipped a switch from creep to in person predator. Probably steeped in gross scenarios from consuming sexualized horror content.

 

[Justice101]

I've been thinking a lot about this case again lately and just what happened that day.

After seeing RA's anger instantly snap and recede in the interrogation videos, I'm leaning more towards an unfortunate chance encounter. He's drunk and agitated. He hears the girls giggling about something completely unrelated -- he thinks it's directed at him, things escalate to "down the hill" and he panics.

JMO

That's exactly what I thought too.

Wasn't he mad because his wife had scheduled her family get together and he said he wasn't going??? Or am I imagining that.

He probably carried a knife or boxcutter and gun with him all the time when he went walking the trail.

Given that teen girls are always giggling at something and he assumed it was at him, he probably was also incensed that these young girls would dare walk to the end of that dangerous bridge clearly overstepping their "rights" to do so.

I personally think he was trying to scare them and "teach them a lesson" when it started to get out of hand. When he had to cross the stream because the white van was coming down the gravel road, he may have panicked then and after reaching the other side of Deer Creek, realized he needed to get rid of the witnesses. He probably undressed them as some kind of cover for a SA that his family would know could not be him. <He convinced his wife he was innocent and she initially believed him. He may well indeed have had no desire for a SA, but needed to take their clothes off and rinse the clothes in the creek to destroy any touch DNA he may have left on them.

 

[rebelchild]

My opinion only .. but any man that strips naked, master - baits in front of people and uses a spork to pleasure himself was not out looking for someone to teach a history lesson too.

 

[FromGermany1]

MOO
So this crime was opportunistic, just like it seemed. A man who often carried a gun walking or hiking, who happened to have his work box cutter with him - saw vulnerability, and flipped a switch from creep to in person predator. Probably steeped in gross scenarios from consuming sexualized horror content.

.... and maybe just had been triggered in a way by visiting his childhood home with mother and sister present. His character flaws certainly developed very early in life. MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

I think RA got his liquid courage up and went looking for someone to take his anger/frustration/perversions out on that day after leaving Dear Mom. That's why he made a stop at home for his 'stuff' before going on an innocent walk. I also believe it definitely had sexual component to it IMO.

It just seems like a huge leap to me to think he didn't think of SA and murder when he forced the girls at gunpoint DTH and made them to undress.

JMO

 

[steeltowngirl]

RA admitted to the prison psychologist that his motive was sexual assault.

Allen allegedly told the psychologist he had a sex addiction and his intentions with the eighth-grade girls were sexual.

The clinical psychologist testified that Allen claimed he molested his sister and experimented sexually with children his age when he was a kid.

The suspect said he saw the girls on the trail and followed them to the bridge. Allen said he did something to his gun and thought that was when the cartridge, which has been a key piece of evidence, came out.

That's when he ordered the girls "down the hill" and wanted to sexually abuse them. But he was startled by a person or van, and that's when Allen ordered the girls across the creek, allegedly slit their throats, and then covered their bodies with tree branches.

Delphi murders suspect allegedly told psychologist he wanted to apologize to Abby, Libby's families

"I killed Abby and Libby. I am sorry." is what the suspect reportedly told a clinical psychologist while in jail.

abc7chicago.com

 

[Justice101]

RA admitted to the prison psychologist that his motive was sexual assault.

Allen allegedly told the psychologist he had a sex addiction and his intentions with the eighth-grade girls were sexual.

The clinical psychologist testified that Allen claimed he molested his sister and experimented sexually with children his age when he was a kid.

The suspect said he saw the girls on the trail and followed them to the bridge. Allen said he did something to his gun and thought that was when the cartridge, which has been a key piece of evidence, came out.

That's when he ordered the girls "down the hill" and wanted to sexually abuse them. But he was startled by a person or van, and that's when Allen ordered the girls across the creek, allegedly slit their throats, and then covered their bodies with tree branches.

Delphi murders suspect allegedly told psychologist he wanted to apologize to Abby, Libby's families

"I killed Abby and Libby. I am sorry." is what the suspect reportedly told a clinical psychologist while in jail.

abc7chicago.com

Thank you for that information from the trial. I was not aware of that so I change my opinion now.

 

[Boxer]

I think he lied. The van startled him when they were already across the creek, and that is when the van went by, at the same elevation and he killed them.
Just the usual liars habit of delaying saying what happened, misconnecting things for later arguing.

 

[Megnut]

I think he lied. The van startled him when they were already across the creek, and that is when the van went by, at the same elevation and he killed them.
Just the usual liars habit of delaying saying what happened, misconnecting things for later arguing.

He wasn't truthful about what  he was doing when the van passed, but he confirmed by admission he was there when the van passed.

jmo

 

[mickey2942]

MOO
So this crime was opportunistic, just like it seemed. A man who often carried a gun walking or hiking, who happened to have his work box cutter with him - saw vulnerability, and flipped a switch from creep to in person predator. Probably steeped in gross scenarios from consuming sexualized horror content.

The difference between fantasy, and reality. RA had probably had this fantasy for years. But when faced with the actual reality, he couldn't perform. So, he left.

It would be interesting to know about his marriage relations. I am guessing zero to none. He was wrapped up in his fantasy.

 

[Boxer]

The difference between fantasy, and reality. RA had probably had this fantasy for years. But when faced with the actual reality, he couldn't perform. So, he left.

It would be interesting to know about his marriage relations. I am guessing zero to none. He was wrapped up in his fantasy.

A gross creep hidden in place by a small town, where he didn't fit expectations of what the killer would be like.
Amazing they didn't find him by process of elimination.

Short - they knew it.

Local - they highly suspected

Vehicle, black Ford - they knew it

Gun- they knew it, in BG pocket is the visible outline of a P226. No record of the gun purchase in Indiana of course but ammo has to be bought.

Gun ammo- 40 ammo was bought at sometime so canvas online shipped to local zip codes or bought at local sports shops.

Profession - shift worker or day off on a Monday afternoon.

Professions with thin blade utility knives - building professions, carpet layers, drywallers, etc. Stock workers such as retail or others that receive goods in cartons.

Probably only 25 men fit this screening in the greater Delphi area.

 

[Megnut]

The difference between fantasy, and reality. RA had probably had this fantasy for years. But when faced with the actual reality, he couldn't perform. So, he left.

It would be interesting to know about his marriage relations. I am guessing zero to none. He was wrapped up in his fantasy.

He was alone for at least 20 minutes with two little girls who he forced to undress. That IS a terrifying sexual assault and ... and we don't know what happened during those 20 minutes or what evidence was washed away in the creek.

JMO