GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #220

[snarast]

Sure, I’d like for there to be a ring of people involved & charged but it’s not worth tipping their hand without the appropriate evidence to support the charges nor is it right to do so IMO.

JMO

BBM

Good point, it might be a CI or UC issue to some extent.

IMHO

 

[INfisherman]

BBM

Good point, it might be a CI or UC issue to some extent.

IMHO

I won’t say there isn’t because there could be, but I feel it’s not very likely. They got the main culprit with the CSAM in KK. That in itself was a mighty haul which likely opened the door for other more minor arrests or online stings. I know there have been many large online stings made by the local LE in my area ever since the KK arrest & conviction. People out of state trying to meet up with kids, etc.

RA is the main actor & has been charged. It will be a surprise to me if further arrests are made which are related to Delphi. Unless something else is uncovered, I just can’t see LE putting the families through more ordeals & dragging it out into the open again.

Yes, I agree that it would be great to see what all data was gleaned from the KK investigation & if any of it was related to Delphi. I just don’t think there is very much which is definitive since he had that one last phone & wiped it. If there were, I feel it would more than likely involve TK. I feel the phone was wiped more to shield TK than anything else but no proof of that being the case.

JMO

 

[sunspun]

And again, Richard Allen confessed to watching the girls "to make sure they didn't suffer".

Yes, he watched them suffer is actually what he did.

How can you watch to "make sure they didn't suffer" while watching them suffering? What would he have been watching for? How would he know if, while watching, they suddenly began to suffer? And what did he mean he would have done if he saw that they were suffering while he was watching to "make sure they didn't suffer'? What could he have done then? Stab them again? To end their suffering?

That was the most ridiculous thing he said, imo, that he watched until they died "to make sure they didn't suffer". There was nothing he could have done for their suffering except to quickly end it by stabbing (or shooting) them dead. They were already dying. They were already suffering. He would have been able to plainly see that they were suffering, if they were still alive after he used his box cutter on their necks. He wasn't about to get them any help. So what did he mean by that? What would he have done to help end their suffering, except to make death come more quickly???

He stayed there awhile after he fatally wounded those girls for no reason other than to watch them die. And then he left.

Sickening.

 

[Boxer]

That is some advertisement. But, yes, you are probably right.

Lightning can strike twice at the same coordinates.

I have to admit KAK’s constant and effortless lies don’t help. And, something tells me RA needs ”help” to do what he did. ”Inspiration”. ”Direction”. Or helpful surreptitious suggestions from someone or other.

Occam’s razor seems to favour the non-conspiracy option, so we can go with that. RA alone.

Unfortunately, no one can know - KAK wiped his phone. The police lost their interview with the man who said he was on the trail at the time of the murders - for 5 years.

 

[snarast]

Unfortunately, no one can know - KAK wiped his phone. The police lost their interview with the man who said he was on the trail at the time of the murders - for 5 years.

I meant his overall internet usage. His computers, his father’s computers. everything.

Surely it’s been done by the feds or whatnot. But that kind of cyber forensics fascinates me.

JMO

 

[FromGermany1]

Yes, he watched them suffer is actually what he did.

How can you watch to "make sure they didn't suffer" while watching them suffering? What would he have been watching for? How would he know if, while watching, they suddenly began to suffer? And what did he mean he would have done if he saw that they were suffering while he was watching to "make sure they didn't suffer'? What could he have done then? Stab them again? To end their suffering?

That was the most ridiculous thing he said, imo, that he watched until they died "to make sure they didn't suffer". There was nothing he could have done for their suffering except to quickly end it by stabbing (or shooting) them dead. They were already dying. They were already suffering. He would have been able to plainly see that they were suffering, if they were still alive after he used his box cutter on their necks. He wasn't about to get them any help. So what did he mean by that? What would he have done to help end their suffering, except to make death come more quickly???

He stayed there awhile after he fatally wounded those girls for no reason other than to watch them die. And then he left.

Sickening.

Either his video wasn't finished yet, but only after a "non-suffering" death or he did, for what he had started his "mission" at all: achieve s-a-t-i-s-f-a-c-t-i-o-n. Waiting for this or that, he didn't want to tell, so he formulated it as a "noble" deed, IMO.

 

[Boxer]

Either his video wasn't finished yet, but only after a "non-suffering" death or he did, for what he had started his "mission" at all: achieve s-a-t-i-s-f-a-c-t-i-o-n. Waiting for this or that, he didn't want to tell, so he formulated it as a "noble" deed, IMO.

Absolutely agree. This pattern of reworking a awful, terrible thing into something better is so typical
Of criminals.

 

[Vaderman]

New book by the Murder Sheet podcasters out today:

New book delves into Delphi double murder case

A new book will offer a new perspective into the Delphi double murder case.Murder Sheet podcasters (awn-yeah) Aine Cain and Kevin Greenlee have written a book c

wsbt.com

 

[tlcya]

New book by the Murder Sheet podcasters out today:

New book delves into Delphi double murder case

A new book will offer a new perspective into the Delphi double murder case.Murder Sheet podcasters (awn-yeah) Aine Cain and Kevin Greenlee have written a book c

wsbt.com

I may have to pick that up. I thoroughly appreciated their coverage of this case and the trial.

 

[Vaderman]

I may have to pick that up. I thoroughly appreciated their coverage of this case and the trial.

I pre-ordered it a few months ago and was pleasantly surprised when I woke up this morning to an alert that it was available to download.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I pre-ordered it a few months ago and was pleasantly surprised when I woke up this morning to an alert that it was available to download.

Please share if you care to any important unknowns with us fellow Delphi Diehards.

 

[Vaderman]

Please share if you care to any important unknowns with us fellow Delphi Diehards.

Will do, m'dear!

So far, biggest surprise is that Doug Carter wrote the introduction of the book and was candid in both his satisfaction with the Podcasters' coverage of the case as well as his occasional disagreement with them when they were harsh towards LE. I appreciated his honesty.

Otherwise, it's so far been a breakdown of what we've all come to know with how this case unfolded. Special note: the authors note RA's shortness and buggy eyes.

 

[INfisherman]

Please share if you care to any important unknowns with us fellow Delphi Diehards.

Aine & Kevin both covered the trial for the local newspaper where I live. I have respect for their coverage of the case, regardless of which side they ultimately took.

In reading the sample available in the Apple bookstore, the defense declined to be interviewed for the book, despite repeated requests. (Refer to page 4 cannot copy/paste or link to it for source).

ETA The book was "prepared" without the trial transcripts as well (page 4 also).

 

[girlhasnoname]

Will do, m'dear!

So far, biggest surprise is that Doug Carter wrote the introduction of the book and was candid in both his satisfaction with the Podcasters' coverage of the case as well as his occasional disagreement with them when they were harsh towards LE. I appreciated his honesty.

Otherwise, it's so far been a breakdown of what we've all come to know with how this case unfolded. Special note: the authors note RA's shortness and buggy eyes.

Awww, you're the best V. RA's shortness and buggy eyes are quite distinguishing features.

I think his height was one of the reasons that BB who saw him on the bridge from afar thought he was younger.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Aine & Kevin both covered the trial for the local newspaper where I live. I have respect for their coverage of the case, regardless of which side they ultimately took.

In reading the sample available in the Apple bookstore, the defense declined to be interviewed for the book, despite repeated requests. (Refer to page 4 cannot copy/paste or link to it for source).

ETA The book was "prepared" without the trial transcripts as well (page 4 also).

I liked TMS coverage as well. At first they were pretty hard on LE and the Prosecution. It seemed to me that as more information became available, they realized BG=RA=Killer.

I appreciate they didn't suck up to the State the entire time. They called things how they saw them good, bad or indifferent. LE did drop the ball here and made some big fails (lost tip??), I can be honest about that. It didn't make RA innocent though.

I can totally believe the Dufus Defense declined comment. What were they going to say...
"We allowed confidential information and CS photos to be accessed, spewed some of the most ridiculous theories (Franks 1,2,3,4,5) and generally were complete idiots and potential liars?" Baldwin was the worst throughout IMO, but I have to say that Rozzi's closing argument was so weak it sounded like it had been crafted by a 5th grader the night before.

JMO

 

[Vaderman]

I'm surprised at how...lucky?...the families were in being able to have open casket funerals when so many true crime cases do not allow for them.

Snippet from the book:

"Both girls were cool to the touch, and stiff, in a state of full rigor. No insects buzzed around them. No signs of predation from coyotes."

 

[Vaderman]

"All those who came close to the scene, who became involved in the case, became angry. They had all seen death, gruesome killings, horrible accidents. But this crime was brutal."
Shadow of the Bridge

 

[Vaderman]

I think this was speculated on over the years, but this passage seems to clarify the pooling of blood:

"The leaf fall obscured much of the blood. They found one large pool and several smaller pools. Libby was covered in it. Abby seemingly was not, although they found later that her sweatshirt was saturated with blood."
Shadow of the Bridge

 

[Vaderman]

Ah, @girlhasnoname, the coup de grâce: finding the unspent round:

"Alternative light sources could provide an even more comprehensive view of the blood. [Investigators] set up a device, and blue light shone down on the scene. [Investigator]'s eyes went to the ground. Something was glittering there. He shone a flashlight and saw the head stamp of a cartridge peeking up through the leaves, between the two girls. It looked intact, and ever so slightly pressed into the ground."
Shadow of the Bridge

That paragraph makes me wonder again...was the round intentionally pressed into the ground?

 

[Gemmie]

DBM