GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #220

  • #961
This is so sad. Two young girls, outside for a walk in nature. Should have been a safe day. I remember, back in the '70's, going out with friends all day on our bikes.

Now, we keep kids inside, with a myriad of video games, tv, computers. A generation of children too afraid to go outside for a walk, or play.
 
  • #962
This is so sad. Two young girls, outside for a walk in nature. Should have been a safe day. I remember, back in the '70's, going out with friends all day on our bikes.

Now, we keep kids inside, with a myriad of video games, tv, computers. A generation of children too afraid to go outside for a walk, or play.
You only have to take a stroll through the Doe and missing threads to realise it wasn't safe in the '70s either. Parents were just told 'they ran away, they'll come home when they're hungry' and no police work was done. And if they did turn up dead from a stranger killing, odds are there wouldn't be a suspect caught and convicted even if they actually identified the victim, which often, they didn't. DNA changed the game as far as that kind of crime was concerned.

MOO
 
  • #963
This is so sad. Two young girls, outside for a walk in nature. Should have been a safe day. I remember, back in the '70's, going out with friends all day on our bikes.

Now, we keep kids inside, with a myriad of video games, tv, computers. A generation of children too afraid to go outside for a walk, or play.
It wasn't safe in the 70s either. We just didn't have the internet to hear about all that was going on with children (or adults) that weren't local news. I can remember a guy that would drive really slow by a middle school. I lived 3 doors down and from my front yard I could see him slowing drive by on 3 of the 4 streets. He'd circle it.

Without going into too much detail, the kids all knew he was a problem. I was about 11 or 12, wearing a swimsuit, and walking to my friends house a few blocks away. And here came his green truck, slooooowly passing me, and doing a U-turn at the end of the block. I made it hope by crawling through bushes. I knew what he was after. Glad not to be the equivalent of a WS thread.

And that has got to be one of a LOT of different cases with children from every decade IMO.
 
  • #964
The infamous RA interview marked “cleared”.
Even though Dulin recommends follow-up on the RA interview should be identifying the three girls on the trail, nothing apparently was done about that.
LE did of course talk with the girls, but if they had followed up with RA in mind and put those pieces together as quickly as they did in September of 2022, RA would have been in jail before February was over in 2017, in my opinion.

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  • #965
I have read something about LEO "counter transference", and the more alike the suspect is to the LEO interviewing the suspect, the less likely LEO is to believe the suspect is guilty of the crime.

That is why they try to have someone who doesn't look like the suspect.
 
  • #966
The infamous RA interview marked “cleared”.
Even though Dulin recommends follow-up on the RA interview should be identifying the three girls on the trail, nothing apparently was done about that.
LE did of course talk with the girls, but if they had followed up with RA in mind and put those pieces together as quickly as they did in September of 2022, RA would have been in jail before February was over in 2017, in my opinion.

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If there is a silver lining at all, it's that maybe the delay in finding Richard Allen led to the exhaustive search which led to wider investigations of the ugly underbelly of other predators.

Not only did Richard Allen hide in plain sight but so, in many ways, so did the tip, with the ACTION ITEM incorrectly filed. Find the group of girls. Once identified, IMO the tip got buried. "Lead cleared." Tragically burying the true lead -- the lone male on the bridge at the exact time Abby and Libby were abducted and then murdered.

Worst, time created a vacuum under which social media and eventually the defense -- and defense-adjacent social influencers -- constructed conspiracies without foundations, making a frenzied spectacle which FRANKSLY overshadowed the real victims in this case. Two precious, unrepeatable bright lights who provided the definitive clues to their own murders, having the incredible presence of mind to film their abduction, and as a team, keep the phone hidden from the captor, even as they were being slaughtered.

Looking forward to soon forgetting his name entirely.

But never theirs.

Forever Abby and Libby.

JMO
 
  • #967
If there is a silver lining at all, it's that maybe the delay in finding Richard Allen led to the exhaustive search which led to wider investigations of the ugly underbelly of other predators.

Not only did Richard Allen hide in plain sight but so, in many ways, so did the tip, with the ACTION ITEM incorrectly filed. Find the group of girls. Once identified, IMO the tip got buried. "Lead cleared." Tragically burying the true lead -- the lone male on the bridge at the exact time Abby and Libby were abducted and then murdered.

Worst, time created a vacuum under which social media and eventually the defense -- and defense-adjacent social influencers -- constructed conspiracies without foundations, making a frenzied spectacle which FRANKSLY overshadowed the real victims in this case. Two precious, unrepeatable bright lights who provided the definitive clues to their own murders, having the incredible presence of mind to film their abduction, and as a team, keep the phone hidden from the captor, even as they were being slaughtered.

Looking forward to soon forgetting his name entirely.

But never theirs.

Forever Abby and Libby.

JMO
His five undeserved years of freedom literally make me sick.
It's very lucky that no other child was harmed.
May he rot in prison.
 
  • #968
His five undeserved years of freedom literally make me sick.
It's very lucky that no other child was harmed.
May he rot in prison.

He IS the rot.
 
  • #969
This is so sad. Two young girls, outside for a walk in nature. Should have been a safe day. I remember, back in the '70's, going out with friends all day on our bikes.

Now, we keep kids inside, with a myriad of video games, tv, computers. A generation of children too afraid to go outside for a walk, or play.

Sadly, abductions/murders of children have been going on for hundreds of years.

The difference is our population has exploded over time and you know local stories for all areas immediately.

Statistically, abductions and murders of children have actually dropped significantly although you can't really tell it because of all of the media attention. In fact, a study was done where they surveyed thousands of people, asked them if they knew someone personally who had been attacked/murdered/abducted and the results of the study were that the media inflates the idea by 6000% versus the sum total of the survey results.
 
  • #970
Sadly, abductions/murders of children have been going on for hundreds of years.

The difference is our population has exploded over time and you know local stories for all areas immediately.

Statistically, abductions and murders of children have actually dropped significantly although you can't really tell it because of all of the media attention. In fact, a study was done where they surveyed thousands of people, asked them if they knew someone personally who had been attacked/murdered/abducted and the results of the study were that the media inflates the idea by 6000% versus the sum total of the survey results.

I will add that people 50 years ago were basically IGNORANT with respect to knowing the real dangers and the "stranger dangers" teachings of kids nowadays has made a big difference. I am all for it.
 
  • #971
I will add that people 50 years ago were basically IGNORANT with respect to knowing the real dangers and the "stranger dangers" teachings of kids nowadays has made a big difference. I am all for it.
Unfortunately it's not just strangers. Some real dangers happen from family members, neighbors whom they know, and family friends. A lot of teachers do bad things, as well as doctors. Heck, you name the profession and there's issues there. My point was... it's not just strangers that might be out to get you or your loved ones. It would be a whole lot easier if it was.
 
  • #972
You only have to take a stroll through the Doe and missing threads to realise it wasn't safe in the '70s either. Parents were just told 'they ran away, they'll come home when they're hungry' and no police work was done. And if they did turn up dead from a stranger killing, odds are there wouldn't be a suspect caught and convicted even if they actually identified the victim, which often, they didn't. DNA changed the game as far as that kind of crime was concerned.

MOO
Agree. It was not safe, never has been. In the country I was provided loaded .22 to walk with as a kid. Told how to so quietly disappear off a path to a defensible position before being seen.
City too. Who is likely safe who isn'tand always know where the next store door is to run into. Stay where there people etc.

RA is a classic people killing bridge troll - wasn't safe in fairy tales either.
The infamous RA interview marked “cleared”.
Even though Dulin recommends follow-up on the RA interview should be identifying the three girls on the trail, nothing apparently was done about that.
LE did of course talk with the girls, but if they had followed up with RA in mind and put those pieces together as quickly as they did in September of 2022, RA would have been in jail before February was over in 2017, in my opinion.

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Thats what the DA at the time. Ives said - it would take old fashioned police work a couple of weeks to solve.
 
  • #973
I will add that people 50 years ago were basically IGNORANT with respect to knowing the real dangers and the "stranger dangers" teachings of kids nowadays has made a big difference. I am all for it.
Agree, predators used to be outside lurking for some vulnerable child, now they just do it from the comfort of their homes on the internet. Parents please know what your children are up to online as much as you possibly can.

JMO
 
  • #974
The infamous RA interview marked “cleared”.
Even though Dulin recommends follow-up on the RA interview should be identifying the three girls on the trail, nothing apparently was done about that.
LE did of course talk with the girls, but if they had followed up with RA in mind and put those pieces together as quickly as they did in September of 2022, RA would have been in jail before February was over in 2017, in my opinion.

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Looking at this made my eyes tear up. Something so inconsequential looking led to YEARS of unanswered questions and pain.
 
  • #975
Looking at this made my eyes tear up. Something so inconsequential looking led to YEARS of unanswered questions and pain.
MOO, the loss of that tip was gross incompetence.
 
  • #976
MOO, the loss of that tip was gross incompetence.
To write the surname like "Whiteman" instead of surname "Allen" distinctly was the biggest mistake actually. Subsequent editors couldn't do anything with that than what they did. IMO

ETA: But it's possible, that RA was babbling in half-spoken, unclear sentences to conceal his presence/the time at the trail and to confuse the officer ..... Who knows.
 
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  • #977
MOO, the loss of that tip was gross incompetence.

It exposes our biases.

The action item, follow up on the girls he saw.

If it were magic, it works by directing your mind in one way while the slight of hand occurs. If it was a riddle, it relies on the brain's missing the detail. "If a rooster lays an egg on a rooftop, which way will it roll?"

Did we ever get clarification on the order and timing?

Did Richard Allen call the police station/tip line? Then Dulin was tasked with following up with him? Have we seen HIS report/note? Where does this cleared document fit in? Was it years later in his interviews that he described the group of girls (one taller, long hair, babysitting)?

By the looks of just the cleared document, is this what happened?

Dulin talked to Rick who clarified, said he saw girls, not Abby and Libby (lie), but the other ones? And that resulted in "lead cleared"?

No one thought to highlight -- hell, we've got a guy WHO WAS THERE exactly when the crime occurred -- but instead got all tangled up in which girls he says he saw?

Talk about hiding in plain sight.

I'm still confused how this didn't create a greater paper trail. Tragically, in the process of trying to streamline tips, interviews, different departments, too much was lost.

As much as I HATE how it played out and the devastating delay it caused, it was there to be found. Without it, this case likely would never have been solved and Rick would have taken his evil secret to his sorry grave.

Credit to the hero who found the tip and RECOGNIZED THE VALUE OF IT (her attention was drawn away from the cleared lead and details IMO by her brain focusing on a name/address she recognized, which have her a different angle to view it -- solving the saddest riddle ever told)

Three/four juveniles saw a man on a bridge.
A walker saw a man on a bridge.
A driver saw a man near a bridge.
Two girls revorded a man on a bridge.
How many men were on the bridge?

JMO
 
  • #978
Actually the sad riddle is more like this:

One man was on a bridge.
Two little girls were murdered.
Did the man see the murderer?

How I wish justice hadn't taken all those painful years but I don't want to lose sight of what's easy to forget -- that the tip was found/recognized and that it existed to be found. Had it been discarded and how easily it could have been, he'd still be free...

Slow police work but they got it done.

JMO
 
  • #979
To write the surname like "Whiteman" instead of surname "Allen" distinctly was the biggest mistake actually. Subsequent editors couldn't do anything with that than what they did. IMO

ETA: But it's possible, that RA was babbling in half-spoken, unclear sentences to conceal his presence/the time at the trail and to confuse the officer ..... Who knows.
A man was on the trail. Big tip that didn't really need more detail than that "was on the trail" to know it was huge at the time.
 
  • #980
A man was on the trail. Big tip that didn't really need more detail than that "was on the trail" to know it was huge at the time.

That's just it.

It's like no one was reminded that perpetrators do occasionally insert themselves.

The suspect calls in the tip and they only focus on the tip without ever side-eyeing the tipster! Who provided a time! Which fit the crime precisely.

Two sketches aside, LE knew they were looking for Just One Man. No one could identify Rick but they all were in individual agreement that the man they saw was the man in Libby's video.

How did THIS not happen? -- Even DC said they were going to go back to the beginning and review every tip -- go back to the beginning specifically to see if they had already interviewed the suspect -- or someone close to him --

Crazy how just plain undeservedly lucky Ricky got.

JMO
 

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