GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #220

[INfisherman]

Have you seen Julie Melvin's videos? She was there less than a month after the crime and her videos show what everything looked like on February 13, 2017. She goes all the way across the bridge and down the hill and then down to the clearing area. She then goes and stands at the edge of the creek and looks towards the crime scene area.

High Bridge

"Down the Hill"

Down another hill to the clearing.

On the clearing looking towards the crime scene area.

- YouTube

I think Julie Melvin took the path RA, Libby and Abby did.

RA and the girls more than likely crossed Weber's driveway and walked beside High Bridge to somewhere between the fifth and fourth platform and descended down another hill by one of the Bridges bases.
It wasn't as steep in that area as opposed to the drop off right after crossing Weber's driveway.

I had watched one of her videos long ago regarding the path the girls walked that day but that is it.

I’m unsure where they would go after down the hill. If it were me, I wouldn’t venture back towards the bridge supports because I could be more easily spotted by other potential bridge walkers & anyone who happens down the gravel road. I’d get across the gravel road & down the 2nd hill ASAP (basically a more northern direction). That drop down to the flood plain area would provide cover from the gravel road & potentially the bridge as well - unsure due to bridge being 60+ feet higher.

Anyone’s guess, as usual.

Slight change of subject - the Deputy AG made an appearance in court today but no clue for what exact purpose - certificate of service. No entry for filing of troll’s appellate brief yet. It was due yesterday.

MOO

 

[shonyakay]

That is one heck of a long walk for RA to get back to his car. It is amazing that only 1 car passed him when he was seen. That had to be about a 5 to 10 minute walk. No other cars drove on that road for that length of time? Or do you think he ducked back into the cover of the trees on the rest of his way back along W 300 N?

300 N is not a highly traveled road.
I think Sarah C. saw RA not long after he exited the crime scene via the cemetery. He was obviously on the Mears entrance side of the street when he emerged from the cemetery but at some point he crossed the street by the time Sarah saw him walking West on 300 N. I think after Sarah drove by him he took a right through the field, and like others have opined, went behind Mears farm and the Hoosier Harvest Store to get back to his car at the CPS building.

When Mullin and Liggett asked RA if he saw anyone when he got back to his car that day he said, "Well no, 'cause I would have thought through that."

 

[shonyakay]

I had watched one of her videos long ago regarding the path the girls walked that day but that is it.

I’m unsure where they would go after down the hill. If it were me, I wouldn’t venture back towards the bridge supports because I could be more easily spotted by other potential bridge walkers & anyone who happens down the gravel road. I’d get across the gravel road & down the 2nd hill ASAP (basically a more northern direction). That drop down to the flood plain area would provide cover from the gravel road & potentially the bridge as well - unsure due to bridge being 60+ feet higher.

Anyone’s guess, as usual.

Slight change of subject - the Deputy AG made an appearance in court today but no clue for what exact purpose - certificate of service. No entry for filing of troll’s appellate brief yet. It was due yesterday.

MOO

RA knew after he saw BB walk out of sight that it was only the girls and him anywhere near the High Bridge at that time.
After leaving the barricade at High Bridge and passing Abby and Libby BB walked halfway down the Mary Gerard trail and then walked to Freedom Bridge and then back to her car at Mears entrance. According to Calc maps the crime scene is approximately 2,300 feet from Mears Entrance.
BB is seen leaving via HHS at 2:18 p.m. The next person to arrive at Mears entrance is a man with the initials DR. DR did not testify at trial but recent documents show that he arrived in his vehicle with his dog at approximately 2:30 p.m. and no one else was at the Mears entrance when he arrived. DR got out and began to walk towards Freedom Bridge with his dog.

 

[Megnut]

300 N is not a highly traveled road.
I think Sarah C. saw RA not long after he exited the crime scene via the cemetery. He was obviously on the Mears entrance side of the street when he emerged from the cemetery but at some point he crossed the street by the time Sarah saw him walking West on 300 N. I think after Sarah drove by him he took a right through the field, and like others have opined, went behind Mears farm and the Hoosier Harvest Store to get back to his car at the CPS building.

When Mullin and Liggett asked RA if he saw anyone when he got back to his car that day he said, "Well no, 'cause I would have thought through that."

Bbm

What kind of answer is THAT?????

"I would have been smart enough not to be seen."

Except he's not that smart, and IMO at that point he was either so focused on getting back home before KA did or he figured that road was a road less traveled and there'd be no one traveling it, that he didn't give it much thought at all.

IMO his answer reveals his thought process: he knew it was dumb to go that way, and wished he'd been smarter about it.

(Additionally I think it shows something a little darker. I think he genuinely regretted going that way. It was dumb, he knew it was dumb. It's leveling why he drove a different way home too -- spooked. Regret for that, I don't think he regretted what he did that day. And that is beyond sick.)

JMO

 

[Boxer]

One other thing. there were photos at the time of the investigation of police searching behind Mears. The dogs probably got hit of RA walking back there. And a report by GH that a woman saw a man walking at that time from her window. There are a few residences some distance away but having a view of the field behind Mears.

 

[Boxer]

I had watched one of her videos long ago regarding the path the girls walked that day but that is it.

I’m unsure where they would go after down the hill. If it were me, I wouldn’t venture back towards the bridge supports because I could be more easily spotted by other potential bridge walkers & anyone who happens down the gravel road. I’d get across the gravel road & down the 2nd hill ASAP (basically a more northern direction). That drop down to the flood plain area would provide cover from the gravel road & potentially the bridge as well - unsure due to bridge being 60+ feet higher.

Anyone’s guess, as usual.

Slight change of subject - the Deputy AG made an appearance in court today but no clue for what exact purpose - certificate of service. No entry for filing of troll’s appellate brief yet. It was due yesterday.

MOO

Its an guilty answer.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

I had watched one of her videos long ago regarding the path the girls walked that day but that is it.

I’m unsure where they would go after down the hill. If it were me, I wouldn’t venture back towards the bridge supports because I could be more easily spotted by other potential bridge walkers & anyone who happens down the gravel road. I’d get across the gravel road & down the 2nd hill ASAP (basically a more northern direction). That drop down to the flood plain area would provide cover from the gravel road & potentially the bridge as well - unsure due to bridge being 60+ feet higher.

Anyone’s guess, as usual.

Slight change of subject - the Deputy AG made an appearance in court today but no clue for what exact purpose - certificate of service. No entry for filing of troll’s appellate brief yet. It was due yesterday.

MOO

Concerning the Deputy AG in court yesterday, my understanding is it was just her adding herself as part of the State’s team.
Now, it’s mid-morning the day AFTER the defense’s appellate motion was due. What is going on?
Dare we dream someone did the right thing and pulled the plug in this appeal?

 

[StarryStarryNight]

We dare not dream. The appeals motion was filed at 10:40pm last night. Just glancing through, it appears pretty lightweight, but, sadly, a continuation of the clown attorneys over the top, misrepresenting rhetoric.

Brief - Appellant.pdf

drive.google.com

 

[Megnut]

We dare not dream. The appeals motion was filed at 10:40pm last night. Just glancing through, it appears pretty lightweight, but, sadly, a continuation of the clown attorneys over the top, misrepresenting rhetoric.

Brief - Appellant.pdf

drive.google.com

113 pages.

Let me guess. Three Franks motions stapled together.

I think I'll just go bend my fingernails backwards instead of reading it.

 

[shonyakay]

113 pages.

Let me guess. Three Franks motions stapled together.

I'm not finished reading it yet but your comment is on point. Lol.
I have seen misspellings and there are various assumptions in it.

This is Weak sauce. The State has evidence that debunks all of what I have read so far.

The only thing so far that I didn't know was BB saying she didn't believe she saw the same man as SC.
BB saw BG from at a minimum 50 feet away for a matter of seconds.
SC saw BG at first from afar and then got within feet of him when she drove by him on 300 N trying not to hit him.
BB says she saw the man from Libby's video.
SC says she saw the man from Libby's video

IIRC, the claim that RA said that the girls were shot was not presented at trial. This was discussed at the three day hearings by Harshman and he said he thought he heard something like that mentioned but he didn't hear RA say that.

 

[shonyakay]

Who is Dawn "Perumetter"? I can't.

 

[shonyakay]

Who is "Dullen"? This is sloppy.

 

[INfisherman]

Pretty much what I expected as far as the appeal. Heavy leaning on his time at Westville. Surprised there wasn’t pictures of medieval torture devices attached to their brief - or a portrait of Baldwin with his arm around the troll.

MOO

 

[INfisherman]

I’m a bit surprised how dishonest the brief is in certain areas. Was this purely Leeman & Uliana taking dictation from Baldwin during a mescaline induced animal spirit trip out in the desert? Is he the Hoosier Lizard King now? This borders on legal buffoonery. No witnesses? Puh-lease. What a waste of time & paper.

Hey, clowns, every single eyewitness for the state said the man they saw was the same person as shown in the BG pic. Your troll placed himself there. He’s still on the bridge at the critical time (looking at fish but you conveniently left out the looking at stocks on his phone). The brief reeks of Baldwin sensationalism & even his patent suggestions of just nonsensical theories which aren’t supported by any evidence at all (maybe someone else clocked out BH using his employee badge - for what, so he could go to the gym after work, which is where he was).

Well, your honor, this is the real story & what happened. We’re telling the truth & everyone else lied, especially Liggett, pinky swear - we saw similar things in movies (yes, they mention solitary confinement being referred as "the hole" IN MOVIES).



JMO

ETA last sentence, 2nd paragraph; added especially Liggett & reference to movies, last sentence

 

[AuDHD]

I’m a bit surprised how dishonest the brief is in certain areas. Was this purely Leeman & Uliana taking dictation from Baldwin during a mescaline induced animal spirit trip out in the desert? Is he the Hoosier Lizard King now? This borders on legal buffoonery. No witnesses? Puh-lease. What a waste of time & paper.

Hey, clowns, every single eyewitness for the state said the man they saw was the same person as shown in the BG pic. Your troll placed himself there. He’s still on the bridge at the critical time (looking at fish but you conveniently left out the looking at stocks on his phone). The brief reeks of Baldwin sensationalism & even his patent suggestions of just nonsensical theories which aren’t supported by any evidence at all (maybe someone else clocked out BH using his employee badge - for what, so he could go to the gym after work, which is where he was).

Well, your honor, this is the real story & what happened. We’re telling the truth & everyone else lied, especially Liggett, pinky swear - we saw similar things in movies (yes, they mention solitary confinement being referred as "the hole" IN MOVIES).



JMO

ETA last sentence, 2nd paragraph; added especially Liggett & reference to movies, last sentence

hoosier lizard king

 

[shonyakay]

I’m a bit surprised how dishonest the brief is in certain areas. Was this purely Leeman & Uliana taking dictation from Baldwin during a mescaline induced animal spirit trip out in the desert? Is he the Hoosier Lizard King now? This borders on legal buffoonery. No witnesses? Puh-lease. What a waste of time & paper.

Hey, clowns, every single eyewitness for the state said the man they saw was the same person as shown in the BG pic. Your troll placed himself there. He’s still on the bridge at the critical time (looking at fish but you conveniently left out the looking at stocks on his phone). The brief reeks of Baldwin sensationalism & even his patent suggestions of just nonsensical theories which aren’t supported by any evidence at all (maybe someone else clocked out BH using his employee badge - for what, so he could go to the gym after work, which is where he was).

Well, your honor, this is the real story & what happened. We’re telling the truth & everyone else lied, especially Liggett, pinky swear - we saw similar things in movies (yes, they mention solitary confinement being referred as "the hole" IN MOVIES).



JMO

ETA last sentence, 2nd paragraph; added especially Liggett & reference to movies, last sentence

This appeal brief reads just like Baldwin's other writings. He peppers his writings with various assumptions.

I noticed some dishonest claims as well.

"In the February 2017 tip, Allen called and said he was on the bridge “between maybe 1 and 3” and saw three girls. Ex. XII, 78.
Allen shared his address, phone number, and MEID number, which is a unique identifier that can be used to track a phone’s location. Tr. XIII, 121, 220-21."

The first lead sheet related to Allen's self-reported tip is dated February 16, 2017 and says a "Rick Allen Whiteman" reported being on the trails on Monday between maybe 1 and 3 and saw three young females.




First of all, how he self-reported isn't clear. In the 10/13/22 interview he claims "we" went down to the police station to report.
At trial, the defense mentioned a call, and in this brief they also mention a call. That doesn't jive.
Also, the first lead sheet doesn't list an email address for Allen nor the phone information from his phone.

Also, DNR Officer Dan Dulin is the one who got the MEID number from RA's phone on February 18, 2017 when he talked to him in person. Not February 16th, nor February 17th, 2017.

There are other things like BB's description and drawing of the car she saw but I am super busy atm but will address this later.

Editing to Add: There is no document I know of where RA says he was on the Bridge in February 2017. He never said he was on the Bridge to LE until 10/13/22. RA's wife confronted him on 10/26/22 saying, "You told me you weren't (on High Bridge), so I told them (LE) you weren't."

 

[StarryStarryNight]

This appeal brief reads just like Baldwin's other writings. He peppers his writings with various assumptions.

I noticed some dishonest claims as well.

"In the February 2017 tip, Allen called and said he was on the bridge “between maybe 1 and 3” and saw three girls. Ex. XII, 78.
Allen shared his address, phone number, and MEID number, which is a unique identifier that can be used to track a phone’s location. Tr. XIII, 121, 220-21."

The first lead sheet related to Allen's self-reported tip says a "Rick Allen Whiteman" reported being on the trails on Monday between maybe 1 and 3 and saw three young females.

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First of all, how he self-reported isn't clear. In the 10/13/22 interview he claims "we" went down to the police station to report.
At trial, the defense mentioned a call, and in this brief they also mention a call. That doesn't jive.
Also, the first lead sheet doesn't list an email address for Allen nor the phone information from his phone.

Also, DNR Officer Dan Dulin is the one who got the MEID number from RA's phone on February 18, 2017 when he talked to him in person. Not February 17, 2017.

There are other things like BB's description and drawing of the car she saw but I am super busy atm but will address this later.

Editing to Add: There is no document I know of where RA says he was on the Bridge in February 2017. He never said he was on the Bridge to LE until 10/13/22. RA's wife confronted him on 10/22/22 saying, "You told me you weren't (on High Bridge), so I told them (LE) you weren't."

Also, they are replicating the outlandish rhetoric and outright lies of the Unethical Triad that preceded them.
Example, their claim that RA being kept in a prison prior to his trial was “unprecedented”. There is a signed affidavit from a woman employed by IDOC in the trial documents released, stating that had been done numerous times in the few years prior and after RA’s arrest. So RA’s attorneys are once again, not just distorting, but flat out lying.
How do they get away with this!

 

[shonyakay]

Also, they are replicating the outlandish rhetoric and outright lies of the Unethical Triad that preceded them.
Example, their claim that RA being kept in a prison prior to his trial was “unprecedented”. There is a signed affidavit from a woman employed by IDOC in the trial documents released, stating that had been done numerous times in the few years prior and after RA’s arrest. So RA’s attorneys are once again, not just distorting, but flat out lying.
How do they get away with this!

Great points, Starry. Surely they are also aware of Baldwin's BFF BM's former client Anthony Garcia who was held in solitary confinement for 3 1/2 years.

Court-ordered evaluation finds Garcia competent for sentencing in death penalty case

Based on findings from doctors with the Lincoln Regional Center, District Court Judge Gary Randall has concluded that the man convicted of four revenge killings is competent to be sentenced in the death penalty case.

www.wowt.com

These are writings for their "fans" imo, just like the Franks'.

 

[shonyakay]

Just wanted to share this if anyone is interested.

I was researching blood spatter one day after a nurse mentioned in a comment that the "F" on the tree looked like arterial spray to her. I began looking up images on Google (not for the weak) and came across what is called "arterial gush". To me it looks similar to the blood on the "F" tree. Of course it is not exactly the same but you would expect that as one surface is a wall and the other is tree bark.