Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #198

[statt#1]

One thing that remains certain, absolutely true to my knowledge, is that there is no evidence that has been brought forth, by defense, prosecution, FBI, ISP, or any other entity, to indicate there was anyone else on the trails, the bridge, or at the actual scene of the murders, that has been shown to be a suspect in these murders, other than RA.

If there was a photo of a car passing by, a witness to testify to seeing some other man, a phone record that was discovered, some DNA, anything that one can conceive to show that someone other than RA parked nearby the trails, drove by some cam, had some article left at that scene, was on that bridge (as RA himself said he was), or was at the scene of the murders.....why would LE, or most importantly, the DT, not produce it?

If there is direct evidence of such, please post it up here, I must have missed it, and apologize in advance.

I'm tryin' hard to wrap my feeble brain around the argument/idea that SODDI when absolutely no evidence thereof exists. Or is the argument's premise that such evidence DOES exist, but the DT, Prosecution, FBI, ISP, etc. are withholding it?

 

[iamshadow21]

ABC (Australia) had a feature story today on the case. Strongly focused on the girls and their legacy.

Libby recorded her alleged killer just minutes before her death. Seven years later, Richard Allen is set to go on trial

Libby German, 14, and her best friend Abigail Williams, 13, disappeared during a hike near their home town in Delphi, Indiana. Their killing would go on to garner international attention.

www.abc.net.au

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

Ok so your thought process is that the river search in Peru that coincided with isp taking custody of KK had nothing to do with the Delphi investigation?

RE the Wabash River search and ISP meeting with KK in Aug 2022
Respectfully, I said nothing about this subject today, at all, so I don't know how you could possibly suggest what/that is my thought process, 4 other people have "liked" your comment and many others may have read it, and perphaps will continue to think that I expressed this opinion "had nothing to do with the Dephi investigation".

 

[Arkay]

One thing that remains certain, absolutely true to my knowledge, is that there is no evidence that has been brought forth, by defense, prosecution, FBI, ISP, or any other entity, to indicate there was anyone else on the trails, the bridge, or at the actual scene of the murders, that has been shown to be a suspect in these murders, other than RA

Exactly.

I think it’s imperative for all of us to remember that Richard Matthew Allen, CVS clerk in Delphi, Indiana, is the person who informed LE that he was on that bridge, on that day, at a time that likely corresponds to the time that Abby and Libby were there.

He came home alive and they did not.

Presumably terrified yet brilliant Abby recorded enough video to capture the man who intruded on their day and commanded them to go down the hill. Thank God her phone was found and the video was discovered. It’s my opinion that RA and BG look just alike, and RA and BG are both dressed the way RA said he’d been dressed.

“Indiana men’s uniform” or not, no one else of similar appearance was seen in that place on that day at that time. No one else’s bullet was found lying between Abby and Libby.

RA told on himself. The video had not come out yet. He was IMO trying to get ahead of the narrative but was busted when Abby proved he was there.

Justice is coming.

My opinion.

 

[Melted]

We will disagree then, you are not quoting the exact words attributed to Vido, which changes the meaning of his testimony. He specifically said the searching of a river was at the crime scene, and he never said KK "confessed" to participating in the actual murders, as you stated.

There is zero information telling us that KK is going to now claim he was in any way involved and his repeated, documented, denials would impeach any testimony he could possibly give, which makes him ineligible to be called as a witness. He cannot be called to the stand as a hostile witness for the defense to interrogate in front of a jury. Disproven "confessions" are not expulpatory evidence. LE's investigation of KK whereabouts on that day did not simply rely on cellphone data. My opinions are based on nearly 30 years of LE experience with significant time spent in courtrooms.

Well if the timeline is attacked, as the defense is clearly aiming to do. Then LE’s investigation into KK’s whereabouts during

You inserted the Wabash River in Peru into Det Vito's testimony when it is clearly not the river "next to the crime scene" (Deer Creek) that he states he searched.

BBM and as linked in prior post:

"Vido said Kline had told police his father went into the woods for a few hours and came back with blood on him, and that his dad threw a cellphone and knife in the river before they left the area. The detective told the court that investigators later searched the water near the crime scene,"

Was the news article inaccurate?

again

““Testimony on Thursday also provided answers to why ISP took temporary custody of another person of interest, Kegan Kline, and spent weeks searching the Wabash River under a bridge near his Peru Home.”

 

[Melted]

RE the Wabash River search and ISP meeting with KK in Aug 2022
Respectfully, I said nothing about this subject today, at all, so I don't know how you could possibly suggest what/that is my thought process, 4 other people have "liked" your comment and many others may have read it, and perphaps will continue to think that I expressed this opinion "had nothing to do with the Dephi investigation".

You said I inserted the wabash river into the article… this is the quote directly from the article

“Testimony on Thursday also provided answers to why ISP took temporary custody of another person of interest, Kegan Kline, and spent weeks searching the Wabash River under a bridge near his Peru Home.”

 

[Tealgrove]

Marking my spot for Monday.

Justice for Abby & Libby

Welcome Back! Great to see you.

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

You said I inserted the wabash river into the article… this is the quote directly from the article

“Testimony on Thursday also provided answers to why ISP took temporary custody of another person of interest, Kegan Kline, and spent weeks searching the Wabash River under a bridge near his Peru Home.”

You claimed your information was from Vito's testimony. I said you inserted Wabash River into his testimony (not the article),
when it says:
"Vido said Kline had told police his father went into the woods for a few hours and came back with blood on him, and that his dad threw a cellphone and knife in the river before they left the area. The detective told the court that investigators later searched the water near the crime scene,"

That is Deer Creek (river), not the Wabash River.
You did not show any direct quotes from Vito. If another article contradicts these quotes with different statements made specifically by Vito, I haven't seen them.

I made no comments about the Aug 22 meeting and the search of the Wabash River's relationship to the Delphi murders. I'd ask others to please disregard that inacurrate assertion and I restate, I did not say or even imply that the search of the Wabash/KK meeting w/ISP had nothing to do with the Delphi murders.
Lets not discuss futher.

 

[steeltowngirl]

RE the Wabash River search and ISP meeting with KK in Aug 2022
Respectfully, I said nothing about this subject today, at all, so I don't know how you could possibly suggest what/that is my thought process, 4 other people have "liked" your comment and many others may have read it, and perphaps will continue to think that I expressed this opinion "had nothing to do with the Dephi investigation".

I was one of the posters who “liked” the post. Indeed, the impression left by your posts was a belief that the Peru search was in no way connected to the Delphi case. You earlier noted that ‘LE never gave a reason for the river search.’

Can you clarify what you do think was the purpose of the Wabash River search?

 

[taylorss]

Hmm I see lots of bits of new info have been coming out! For so long it was just nothing on this case.

 

[snooptroop88]

Seeing a Gray Hughes compilation for Abby & Libby and Delphi, think that was recently posted, going to be trying to watch that today. "Over the Years, Pt 4"

 

[somequestions]

The FBI did the triangulation and height estimate that was included on the first "bulletins", which indicated that BG was of short stature. It is consistent with the witnesses impressions of the height of the man seen on the trail that day. Unfortunately, MOO, LE requested this information be removed from subsequent descriptions of the suspect.

Did LE tell RA that experts had matched his voice to a recording on a cellphone as a ruse? I would expect that being said in an interrogation, whether it was true or not. I don't think any expert was able to claim that it was RA's voice with any certainty, due to the few words and playback on that phone with recording and playback effects caused by that specific phone. MOO

FBI removing some information from Delphi death investigation posters

The FBI confirmed it's removing some information from the posters involving the deaths of Abby Williams and Libby German who were killed in 2017 in Delphi.

www.wrtv.com

If LE took the time to investigate any of the numerous POI's that have come up as possible matches to bridge guy over the years, would you then agree that it is possible that LE considered bridge guy to be any of those possible POI's heights?

 

[sunshineray]

I have zero faith that a sworn oath means anything to KK whatsoever. MOO.

We agree. Makes you wonder why RA's defense would ever want him as a witness, for anything, doesn't it? It makes no sense, MO

 

[snooptroop88]

If LE took the time to investigate any of the numerous POI's that have come up as possible matches to bridge guy over the years, would you then agree that it is possible that LE considered bridge guy to be any of those possible POI's heights?

JMO, LE/state said early on that they felt that there may be multiple parties involved, so I don't think them having a person of interest of any given height would matter because they wouldn't necessarily be suggesting that individual was in fact BG. The suggestion would be more that the person had some involvement in the crime.

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

I was one of the posters who “liked” the post. Indeed, the impression left by your posts was a belief that the Peru search was in no way connected to the Delphi case. You earlier noted that ‘LE never gave a reason for the river search.’

Can you clarify what you do think was the purpose of the Wabash River search?

The idea that I included the ISP taking custody of KK, having a meeting with him, and search of the Wabash, all had no relation to Delphi, when I didn't mention any of this, is a leap.
No one should conclude what my position is because someone else said that is what I believe. Repeating inaccurate information to support a theory that KK is involved in the murders shouId be left to the defense.
The purpose of the Wabash search was to find evidence .

My post, #255, Aug 2022, was actually an answer to you about the search:

"Oh yes, and I'm optimistic about the river search being related to this case."

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

If LE took the time to investigate any of the numerous POI's that have come up as possible matches to bridge guy over the years, would you then agree that it is possible that LE considered bridge guy to be any of those possible POI's heights?

Yes, but I'm sure we didn't know who many of them were. The FBI's estimate would have been respected. Bookings and arrests databases would have been searched for the shortest height range first of sex offenders in the age range, then other offenders that fit. The only one that I know of that was physically similar and known publicly was sex offender <modsnip - not a POI so don't mention him here> Investigated, but I'm not sure if LE ever commited to labeling anyone a "POI" or if he was quickly eliminated. My personal feeling is that many LE did realize BG was short but felt he may not have acted alone so they did not focus a lot on his height, thinking it could influence the public to not report taller men in tips. I also know that some LE get tunnel vision and are like a dog with a bone when they are convinced of "their suspect". Some may have discounted the height, just as a lot of people on SM did. MOO

 

[photographer4]

It's the ultimate act of desperation to even attempt to call KK as a witness. KK's own charges and conviction bear witness to the fact that he has no problem lying through his teeth. I don't think the prosecution would have called KK even if he claimed he had critical information. They would know well there's no way to authenticate any info from KK other than a polygraph (and even that might not truly authenticate it) or independent investigation if warranted. This is pure speculation but from a certain point onward, any info from KK might have registered with LE and others in the system, but they weighed that information in context (i.e., "consider the source").

Since the D filed a motion to bring these folks to court, has the state at any point had to know about them being called before now? Did they have a chance to file a response to the motion (is their consent or response) even needed for them to be transported / witnesses??

 

[katydid23]

Yea, poor choice of words on my part. I mean if he didn’t actually murder them.

As always, JMO.

Even if he didn't actually murder them---if he forced them off the bridge and down the Hill, even if someone else stabbed them at the crime scene, RA would still be Guilty of Murder, legally. IMO

 

[photographer4]

We agree. Makes you wonder why RA's defense would ever want him as a witness, for anything, doesn't it? It makes no sense, MO

Makes sense to me why they may want him though: he may be able to talk about the if Le coached him during interrogations or gave clues about the crime that only the killer would know. He may assert they pressured him to say his dad did the crime. OR: the d may believe he’s a complete moron, and hope that he ends up incriminating himself or someone else on the stand that would create reasonable doubt for RA. Maybe they want him to talk about if he was offered incentives to roll on his dad or someone else such as a plea deal or something?

The D may have a lot of people thinking they’re bad at their jobs. I don’t think they are. I think they have some sort of plan and I’m curious to see what it is.

 

[susiQ]

Makes sense to me why they may want him though: he may be able to talk about the if Le coached him during interrogations or gave clues about the crime that only the killer would know. He may assert they pressured him to say his dad did the crime. OR: the d may believe he’s a complete moron, and hope that he ends up incriminating himself or someone else on the stand that would create reasonable doubt for RA. Maybe they want him to talk about if he was offered incentives to roll on his dad or someone else such as a plea deal or something?

The D may have a lot of people thinking they’re bad at their jobs. I don’t think they are. I think they have some sort of plan and I’m curious to see what it is.

Iirc, wasn’t one of the transport orders for another inmate at the same prison as KK? I have no doubt there is method in their “perceived” madness. If I were falsely accused of such a crime, I would not hesitate to hire these two. Even if the outcome were not favourable (due to appealable rulings by a judge) it would not be for lack of trying on their part. I really don’t understand the over the top criticism thrown at them for doing what they were appointed to do! JMHO