Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #198

[Cyber sleuth]

A gag order doesn’t prevent the defense from filing motions to adequately represent their client. They surely filed all sorts of strange motions, including the many Franks. In all of that, including attempts to get third party culpability admitted, this was never brought up. Once. Quite odd.

All my opinion.

I am perplexed how DT can honor the gag order while also sharing case evidence with podcasters. Seems like that flies in the face of the order.
Jmo

 

[arielilane]

@KylaBRussell

#NEW: A few additional updates from the second and final day of jury selection for the #Delphi double murder trial.
- Richard Allen was again in court today. He wore a blue long sleeve button down shirt and khakis.
- The prosecution and defense again gave insight into their strategies based on their questions to potential jurors.
- The prosecution’s questions focused heavily on what evidence a juror may need to be convinced someone is guilty.
- The defense focused heavily on the concept of innocence and constitutional innocence.
- There will be no court proceedings on Wednesday.
- Jury will be sworn in on Thursday morning.
- Also on Thursday, a hearing will be held to decide if the jury will be able to see composite sketches used throughout the investigation. The prosecution made a motion to block that this morning.
- Opening statements are still set for Friday.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1846341747057537069

 

[arielilane]

@kithanleytv


Hair found in Abby Williams’ hand does not match Allen’s DNA.


11:19 AM · Oct 15, 2024



@angelaganote


BREAKING: Richard Allen's defense attorneys say hair found in Abby Williams' hand does not match Richard Allen's DNA. That has never been made public before. But during our interview with the sheriff days after the murder he told me and @RayCortopassi on LIVE TV they had DNA.


11:08 AM · Oct 15, 2024




@davebangert

Revelation from defense team that hair was found in one of the girls' hands but DNA says it wasn't Richard Allen's came during an updated 'mini-opener' in 2nd day of jury selection in Delphi murders case, per reporting pool notes.


1:08 PM · Oct 15, 2024

 

[Spartygirl]

I suppose this is the first case where I've really gotten into the weeds of the events leading up to a trial, but is it normal for both sides to try to kneecap each other as much seems to be occurring in this case? It's not making me feel confident in the prosecution's strength of evidence against Allen.

Possibly so, for both teams.
I have followed quite a few trials and have never seen a Defense team like this.. they are off the rails, IMO
Just a circus of shenanigans and deceit.

 

[Spartygirl]

I strongly disagree, forensics can tell the difference between a piece of fiber and a hair. Given the fact that it’s not connected to RA that would mean they got a dna profile from it to rule it out as his.

Bob Motta says the hair is human.

LOL -- and how does Bob Motta know this ???

 

[Spartygirl]

They could have possibly been waiting for the tests against Richard Allen’s dna to come back.

In no circumstance whatsoever is a hair IN a murder victims hand that doesn’t match the suspect not a nightmare for the prosecutions

JMO

Big whoopee

That doesn't mean there wasn't other hair found on Libby & Abby.

Just because the one in Abby's hand doesn't match, doesn't mean others do not match or connect RA=BG

So, the D team just only mentions this ONE hair.

No worries.... Prosecutors have way more evidence, including the fact that RA, himself, places himself there, at the bridge, during the same time Libby and Abby are there along with multiple witnesses.

JMO

 

[TTF14]

I really don't see how.
If it was the smoking gun that will exonerate RA the Defense would have written it in neon on all 5 of the Franks Memorandums.


JMO

Maybe they only recently found out about it.

As always, JMO.

 

[Warwick7]

LOL -- and how does Bob Motta know this ???

Who is Bob Motta?

 

[Vern]

LOL -- and how does Bob Motta know this ???

Interesting indeed.

According to the MS podcast from today's hearings, Motta stated that hair found in her hand was not RAs.

No mention of DNA testing on the hair. Just that hair didn't belong to RA. And, MS explicitly stated that it was not stated in court whether or not the hair was even human.

21 minutes, 30 seconds

The Delphi Murders: Richard Allen on Trial: Jury Selection: Day Two

We are at the Allen County Courthouse in Fort Wayne, Indiana for the second day of jury selection in the Richard Allen trial. Support The Murder Sheet by...

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[iamshadow21]

Who is Bob Motta?

Someone with opinions on Delphi, but we know the maxim about opinions. We all have them. And none of us have special access to information on this case, not even him.

MOO

 

[Warwick7]

I have to remind myself the defense’s job is to make the most of anything and everything it can to muddy the waters to give the pre jury and the jury reasonable doubt about RA.

Remember when odinism was first posted? There were people freaking out in the news and media and claiming that the defense won and that RA would never be convicted.

However, after some time equilibrium and bance settled in. The court wouldn't let that "theory" be brought in.....because the defense couldn’t actually provide evidence to support it.

Besides, too many of us have watched enough Poirots, Murder she wrotes and Death in paradises to know "a hair in a hand" can come from...anybody. lol!

 

[flashy09]

I have some questions about the hair found in Abby's hand. If it was RA's wife or daughter or Abby's and Libby's immediate family, would that be known by the DNA profile? I assume so because genealogical sites have solved some high profile cases like the Golden State Killer?
Abby was undressed and redressed and had just been in a college student's car. I highly doubt the hair in her hand was a smoking gun like a fistful of head hair. It could be as small as an eyelash. I just wonder how far either side can go with DNA testing of non suspects and who can be ruled in or out within a family if not tested. Hope that makes sense!

 

[sunshineray]

That’s my point, is that they tested it and I’m sure they cross checked the family as they did take their DNA.

Forensics can tell the difference between human and animal hair ( https://www.justice.gov/archives/dag/file/877741/dl )

Which tells us that it is of an unknown human, I would love to meet a prosecutor who wouldn’t agree that an unknown hair in the murder victim’s hand that doesn’t match the suspect isn’t a complete nightmare.

JMO

i think it might be less of a nightmare than a client, after finding God, confessing to just about everyone he came into contact with, except his lawyers it seems. That, by the way IMO, very peculiar. Testimony will tell.

 

[Warwick7]

Big whoopee

That doesn't mean there wasn't other hair found on Libby & Abby.

Just because the one in Abby's hand doesn't match, doesn't mean others do not match or connect RA=BG

So, the D team just only mentions this ONE hair.

No worries.... Prosecutors have way more evidence, including the fact that RA, himself, places himself there, at the bridge, during the same time Libby and Abby are there along with multiple witnesses.

JMO

You are exactly right, bam!!
Also add that, RA had no explanation as to why a round, cycled through his firearm, would be at that location.

 

[AugustWest]

Copying @Niner

Order Issued Court orders defendant's pleading, Verified Motion for Certificate of Appearance Regarding Out-Of-State Witness, and accompanying Order, to be made a confidential pleading as counsel has included personal address information of a witness. Counsel ordered to file a redacted pleading removing the address. Judicial Officer: Gull, Frances -SJ Noticed: McLeland, Nicholas Charles Noticed: Baldwin, Andrew Joseph Noticed: Rozzi, Bradley Anthony Noticed: Luttrull, James David JR Noticed: Diener, Stacey Lynn Noticed: Auger, Jennifer Jones Order Signed: 10/14/2024​

Order Issued The Court, having had defendant's Motion to Compel Depondent's to Answer Ceritified Questions, filed September 23, 2024, under advisement, and having reviewed the State's Response, filed September 27, 2024, and the Non-Party Indiana Department of Correction's Response to Defendant's Motion, filed September 27, 2024, now denies the Motion to Compel without hearing for the reasons stated in the response filed September 27, 2024 (attorney-client priviledge or work product privilege.) Judicial Officer: Gull, Frances -SJ Noticed: McLeland, Nicholas Charles Noticed: Baldwin, Andrew Joseph Noticed: Rozzi, Bradley Anthony Noticed: Luttrull, James David JR Noticed: Diener, Stacey Lynn Noticed: Auger, Jennifer Jones Order Signed: 10/14/2024​

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[shonyakay]

How does a hair in a hand of one of the victim's change the overwhelming evidence that RA perpetrated these crimes?

It doesn't.

 

[Melted]

So in Lawyer Lee’s new video (she is an approved source for WS) she is stating that Richard Allen also confessed to killing his family and grandchildren.

What do you guys make of this? Do you think there could be any truth behind these confessions?

All just my opinion. (And Lawyer Lees)

 

[Warwick7]

So in Lawyer Lee’s new video (she is an approved source for WS) she is stating that Richard Allen also confessed to killing his family and grandchildren.

What do you guys make of this? Do you think there could be any truth behind these confessions?

All just my opinion. (And Lawyer Lees)

The made up lies by Jodi Arias, Murdaugh and Laticia Stauch were a dime a dozen. Yet they were guilty for murder.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Agree, I am curious as to what was at that scene (besides a naked victim and a "re-dressed victim) that made anyone think it was a sexually motivated crime? How could they know the perp was interrupted?

I sincerely hope that this was NOT the case, and the girls were undressed to keep them from running. With that said, it is my opinion it was a form of humiliation and sending a message to someone whom the murderer felt wronged them/ ALL JUST MY OPINION.

I am also interested in this newly disclosed "HAIR" evidence.

If an adult forces a child to strip, then touches them, it’s sexual abuse. Full stop.

Going with the suggestion that they were forced to undress to keep them from running - if true, then he had a purpose for forcing them to stay - sexual assault.

As to the hair evidence, that’s new to me. I don’t know why evidence was being discussed during jury selection.

jmo

 

[Arkay]

Agree, I am curious as to what was at that scene (besides a naked victim and a "re-dressed victim) that made anyone think it was a sexually motivated crime? How could they know the perp was interrupted?

I sincerely hope that this was NOT the case, and the girls were undressed to keep them from running

Forcing a female to strip naked against her will is sexual abuse. Forcing two underage females to strip naked against their will is also child abuse.

With respect, IMO it’s illogical to ask what “BESIDES a naked victim and a re-dressed victim made anyone think this was a sexually motivated crime”…that right there is enough, IMO.

If I or my daughter or either of my two granddaughters or my niece or sister were forced to strip completely naked to keep them from running away, I would hope that any of us would run like crazy. My mother too, if she were still able to run.

The devastation and humiliation of this would be profound, but they would be alive. Not knowing Abby and Libby at all, but seeing Libby’s wherewithal to record BG, I wish that they did have that option to flee, even naked.

I don’t believe they were given that opportunity at all. Commanded by a gun being waved at them in order to coerce them down the hill, and forcing them to obey him until the final act.

JMO

Apologies to many posters here as I was traveling today and had to skim through too many wonderful posts to try to catch up.

ETA: @steeltowngirl
Just now saw your post above mine after I posted. Completely agree!!!