Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #198

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Yeah what's with the, doesn't he look innocent question? P objected, but the words were out and heard. That's exactly the type of behavior I expect to see by the D's attorneys throughout the trial. MO

Good question ... and ... in case you missed the post explaining ...
AugustWest explained a few posts back.
AW said it's a normal question for potential jurists - especially from the D.

Quoting August:

That is one of the things asked at almost every trial. The purpose of the question is to determine possible bias among the jurors. Those jurors that would say "no, there is no way he is innocent" would be struck for cause.

Here are the Indiana Jury Rules (Rule 17 and 18 are for challenges to jurors):

ETA: not 16 and 17
JMO
 
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Not the mix I would want if I were on the defense team

It sounds like there is a good mixture of people selected so far. So fingers crossed they get justice for the families of Abby and Libby.

Yes!

Of course we can’t be sure, as every person is a unique individual—— but on the outside looking in, this sounds promising, IMO.

By this I mean that, generally speaking, a nurse and a counselor are by nature professions which require an empathetic heart.

And perhaps jurors who are familiar with law enforcement will be dismissive of shenanigans.

Obviously we can’t know until the verdict. Maybe an empath will be lenient to RA. IMO that would be grievously misplaced, but it can happen.

If I were in their place, I know I wouldn’t be able to forget whatever crime scene photos I would have to see of Abby and Libby at their end of life.

JMO.
 
I agree. And if that wasn't off putting then wait till the D calls 100+ witnesses.. I just can't imagine that many people have something substantial to add to his defense. It seems like throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks... I don't think that is a good way to gain favor with a jury.
Next up we have an expert on looking at fish from a bridge, followed by an expert who will analyze sticks that look like runes - oops can't do that, so we'll have an expert on people who keep old phones in a box and own a cat, followed by a witness who can confirm every man in town has the same jacket and jeans.

jmo
 
Colour psychology is my best guess. There is a whole theory about people who like green vs those who don’t. Moooooo bc no time to google.
I just quickly googled it and one of the titles that came up...

Avoid Bald Men and People with Green Socks? Other Ways to Improve the Voir...

It's a pdf, a study from The Illinois Institute of Technology. I did not download to read anymore. Here it is if anyone's interested.

 
Next up we have an expert on looking at fish from a bridge, followed by an expert who will analyze sticks that look like runes - oops can't do that, so we'll have an expert on people who keep old phones in a box and own a cat, followed by a witness who can confirm every man in town has the same jacket and jeans.

jmo

Perfect!

I’ll guess 119 fish to testify that RA was in fact gazing at them from the bridge, and then KA.*

*Though in truth, I do feel for her. I think she knew nothing prior to his arrest.
 
https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/6-jurors-seated-so-far-in-delphi-murders-trial/


JMHO: well that quote gives us some qualifiers in terms of evidence (BBM quote above).

But ... this has been my humble opinion all along based upon reading the available facts from the prosecution/state to date. I'd not be surprised if the prosecution is qualifying and setting realistic expectations up front for potential jurors as to the lack of particular types of "conclusive" facts/evidence ... from the get go.

jmo
"seemed to indicate" is that observers opinion. They could be bias and they could be wrong.
 
@BobSegallWTHR

All 12 jurors now selected for the #Delphi murders trial: 7 women and 5 men, including a nurse, a school counselor, a transportation director and a stay-at-home mom. Jury selection still continuing right now to pick 4 alternates. One has already been picked. 3 more to go.

4:33 PM · Oct 14, 2024
 
Yes!

Of course we can’t be sure, as every person is a unique individual—— but on the outside looking in, this sounds promising, IMO.

By this I mean that, generally speaking, a nurse and a counselor are by nature professions which require an empathetic heart.

And perhaps jurors who are familiar with law enforcement will be dismissive of shenanigans.

Obviously we can’t know until the verdict. Maybe an empath will be lenient to RA. IMO that would be grievously misplaced, but it can happen.

If I were in their place, I know I wouldn’t be able to forget whatever crime scene photos I would have to see of Abby and Libby at their end of life.

JMO.
I tend to trust jurors to take their duties seriously and I trust lawyers to weed out the ones who won't. Whether someone is a female truck driver or an elderly stock broker doesn't matter that much, imo. I know jury selection is analyzed closely, though.

jmo
 
Wow interesting because my husband is bald and his favorite color is green and you will not meet a more fair and level headed person. It's actually annoying when I want him to agree with me lol I mean it makes him a great leader and he isn't swayed by things like being liked or being accepted. He can look at facts and make decisions without getting into his feelings.

So I wonder if that is what would make him a bad juror then.. do they want those that can be swayed or those that won't be? I guess it depends on what you want them to believe.
 
Someone mentioned on here that the timeline isn't known yet but it most certainly is. This is from RIchard Allen's PCA but they jump around a lot in it so I thought I would put it in chronological order.


February 13, 2017

At 12:43 p.m. three teen girls and a little girl take a picture on the Monon High Bridge.

At 1:26 p.m. Those same girls take a picture on a bench after having walked the entirety of the approximately one mile trail. They then head westbound toward Freedom Bridge.

At 1:27 p.m. A car that resembles Richard Allen's 2016 Black Ford Focus is seen traveling westbound on CR 300 N. Heading in the direction of the former CPS building.

In his first statement, Richard Allen, says he parked at the old farm bureau building and headed toward Freedom Bridge. He says he was on the trails that day from 1:30 to 3:30 p.m.

In the vicinity of the Freedom Bridge the three teen girls see a man. They describe him as "kind of creepy", "not very tall", had his hands in his pockets, wearing blue or black jeans and a blue or black jacket. He had gray hair maybe a little brown.
He matched the man in the still photo from LG's cellphone video.

Richard Allen said at the Freedom Bridge he saw three females. One was taller and had brown or black hair. He then says he walked to the High Bridge.

Just before 1:46 p.m.
Betsy Blair observed four girls (The three teen girls and the little girl) walking on the bridge over State Road 25 as she was driving underneath.

At 1:46 p.m.
Betsy Blair's car is seen traveling eastbound.
She parks her car across from the Mears farm and starts walking toward the High Bridge.

At 1:49 p.m. Kelsi drops Libby and Abby off across from the Mears' farm.

When Betsy Blair makes it to the High Bridge she
sees a man wearing blue jeans and a blue jeans jacket standing on platform One approximately 50 feet away. He matched the man from the still photo from Libby's cellphone video.

Richard Allen said in his 2022 statement that at the High Bridge he walked out onto platform One. He described himself as wearing blue jeans and a blue or black jacket.

Betsy turns around to finish her walk and halfway between the high bridge and the Mears' farm parking area she sees two girls who she believes to be Libby and Abby. They were headed to the High Bridge.

At 2:05 p.m.
Libby takes a picture of the bridge in between the second and third platforms (I will explain how I know this in my follow up post).

At 2:07 p.m.
Libby gets on the third platform and turns around to take a picture of Abby walking across High Bridge. No one is visible in the picture except Abby.

Around 2:10 p.m.
A man on his way to Delphi on State Road 25 observes a purple PT cruiser or a small suv type vehicle parked on the South side of the old CPS building. It was backed in as though to conceal it's license plate.

At 2:13 p.m.
While at the end of the High Bridge or very close to it Libby, who is turned toward the beginning of the bridge, begins recording video of a man on her cell phone. The man is coming from the direction of the beginning of the bridge. He is between the fifth and six platforms walking behind Abby. (I will share how I know this in my follow up post)

In the video it has been described as containing the following...
Abby looks up at Libby and asks if the man is behind her. One of the girls', it is believed to be Abby, mentions the man has a gun. The girls' discuss where they should go. The man approaches and says, "Guys.... down the hill!"
The sound of a gun clicks. The video is said to be 43 seconds long and ends at 2:14 p.m.

At 2:14 p.m.
Betsy Blair's car is seen leaving westbound from the trails. As she passes by the old CPS building she sees a car parked in an odd manner. It is in the same general spot and backed in like the man observed around 2:10 p.m.

Other people were on the trails after 2:13 p.m.
and none of them saw Richard Allen, Libby, or Abby.

Around 2:28 p.m.
A man sees a small dark colored car parked at the old CPS building. He describes it as possibly a smart car.

At 2:32 p.m.
Libby's phone ceases movement, according to the Apple Health Data on her cellphone.

At 3:57 p.m.
Sarah Carbaugh is driving eastbound down CR 300 N when she sees a man walking westbound away from the Monon High bridge. He appears muddy, bloody, and like he's been in a fight.

There were other individuals on the trails or CR 300 N from 2:30 p.m. to 4:11 p.m. and none of these people saw a man resembling RIchard Allen on the trail.

The girls were found dead the next day and a .40 caliber unspent round was found less than two feet from Libby's body and in between Libby and Abby's bodies. There were extraction marks on the bullet. When LE tested Richard Allen's Sig Sauer P226 the extraction marks matched the one's on the unspent bullet from the crime scene.



May Abigail and Liberty have their Justice that is so long over due.
This is awesome!!
 
120 witnesses!? Are they insane? Did that number include ALL the SODDI stuff, not to be heard by the jury? Makes me think the defense is pre-determined to make this trial go over the month slotted, just because it's on the record them moaning and groaning about the time limit. They want to prove the judge, they've tried to oust numerous times, was wrong, at all costs, just because. AJMO
Well, I think some of the D team's witnesses are dropping like flies so I am not too worried at the moment.
JMO
 
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Wow interesting because my husband is bald and his favorite color is green and you will not meet a more fair and level headed person. It's actually annoying when I want him to agree with me lol I mean it makes him a great leader and he isn't swayed by things like being liked or being accepted. He can look at facts and make decisions without getting into his feelings.

So I wonder if that is what would make him a bad juror then.. do they want those that can be swayed or those that won't be? I guess it depends on what you want them to believe.

Darling @justtrish

I believe you’ve answered your own question!

They want someone FAIR! As your husband is and part of what qualifies him to be a superlative military leader.

I know jury consulting is a real profession, but to me it seems just a step or two above voodoo. Precisely because of examples like your husband. Green, bald— whatever jury consultants discern from these characteristics is, in my layperson’s opinion, unprovable. I know they do research but in the real world I think it’s unscientific.

Fair is the key. Follow the evidence….the actual evidence and not fanfic…and take it from there.

I will accept the jury’s eventual verdict even if I disagree, because this is our most fair system.

IMO

JMO
 
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Dismissed because he doesn't like the color green? Am I missing something here? Green's my favorite color, does that mean I'd get picked?
Color me confused !!

What difference does that make if a potential juror likes or dislikes a certain color ??

Sorry, but that just cracks me up.
You all know I root for the Green & White team :D
 
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