Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #198

[Melted]

We don’t know anything about this hair, much less if it was “clutched”, among other things. I can think of zero reasons why such a smoking gun that would be a “nightmare for the prosecution” would be completely unmentioned until the day before the jury gets sequestered.

Doesn’t make a ton of sense if your goal is to actually defend your client in court with actual admissible evidence.

All my opinion.

There was a gag order in place

Just my opinion.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

In line for the second day of jury selection in the #Delphi double murder trial.
Today we expect to fill the final two alternate juror spots.
This will bring us to 16 jurors, 12 on the panel and 4 alternates.
#RichardAllen is accused of murdering Carroll County teens Abby Williams and Libby German in Feb. 2017.
We’ll have the latest on @WISHNews8
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Thank you for the additional comment. The fact that he confessed to killing his family and grandchildren was left out of the article but included in the short video clip. I would have missed that if you had not included it.

He also mentioned the "hair presumably from the killer clutched in Abby's hand at the murder scene."

Thanks for pointing that out @FrostedGlass.

 

[statt#1]

I really don't see how.
If it was the smoking gun that will exonerate RA the Defense would have written it in neon on all 5 of the Franks Memorandums.


JMO

The introduction of the hair in the manner extant was a clever move by the defense...allowing the mind to wander in all sorts of directions, yes?

No other evidence, or definitive statement, or explanation, or finality....just an open statement, probably intended to do exactly what I perceive it has done.

 

[arielilane]

What pavement?

To be clear, from the ground --- a path on the trails.
There are many ways the hair can be explained. jmo

 

[arielilane]

@Niner / @arielilane

Yesterdays that is now up:
Motion In Limine Regarding IPAS Settlement (14/10/24):

2024_10_15_Motion in Limine - IPAS.pdf.pdf

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Today's up so far:
Motion in Limine Regarding Sketches (15/10/24):

2024_10_15_Motion in Limine - sketches.pdf.pdf

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Hi @Vern,
Its been placed in media thread as requested.

Anyone can post in link below; however, it is a no discussion thread.

Thread 'IN - Abigail Williams & Liberty German, Delphi, Media, Maps, Timelines NO DISCUSSION #2'

Feb 21, 2017

Please post media maps & timelines here. *NO DISCUSSION*


MISSING: Two 13-year-old girls dropped off to go walking at Carroll County trail

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Carroll County Sheriff Toby Leazenby said Abigail Williams and Liberty German were last seen around 1 p.m. when they were dropped off to go hiking at High Bridge, just east of Delphi.

Police ID bodies of Indiana girls

Two bodies found along a northern Indiana stream are...

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[kkdj]

Also, the teens could have hugged anyone that morning or while getting out of the car. A hair that gently floated down from a shoulder onto a hand.

Edit: Or one that came off of Allen's coat.

Still....defense is baiting the potential jury.

Did they say how much hair? A few strands could have been her own hair even.

 

[arielilane]

I lost count as to how many times Ive asked myself is that RA? jmo

Edit: The evidence presented in a court of law will disclose whether it's him or not. jmo

 

[StarryStarryNight]

They could have possibly been waiting for the tests against Richard Allen’s dna to come back.

In no circumstance whatsoever is a hair IN a murder victims hand that doesn’t match the suspect not a nightmare for the prosecutions

JMO

I don’t believe a word that comes out of the defense team’s mouths.
They have done nothing to prove they are worthy of my trust.

 

[arielilane]

Did they say how much hair? A few strands could have been her own hair even.

Here are a few reporters' (partial) comments about the hair:

- RA defense attorneys say hair found in Abby Williams' hand does not match Richard Allen's DNA

- Defense team that hair was found in one of the girls' hands but DNA says it wasn't Richard Allen's

 

[kae27]

Did they say how much hair? A few strands could have been her own hair even.

I haven't seen anything to indicate yet how much hair. I'd highly doubt that it came from either of the victims, though. That would presumably be known from the testing, and then it would be stupid of the defense team to bring it up. I do realize some might think they are that dumb, but I'm not of that opinion yet.

 

[acehard]

The introduction of the hair in the manner extant was a clever move by the defense...allowing the mind to wander in all sorts of directions, yes?

No other evidence, or definitive statement, or explanation, or finality....just an open statement, probably intended to do exactly what I perceive it has done.

IMO the defense is good at throwing a wrench and people run with it. Reasonable doubt

 

[Warwick7]

I haven't seen anything to indicate yet how much hair. I'd highly doubt that it came from either of the victims, though. That would presumably be known from the testing, and then it would be stupid of the defense team to bring it up. I do realize some might think they are that dumb, but I'm not of that opinion yet.

It could have come from either girl, an animal, hair off of Allen's jacket or a hair off of a jacket Abby was wearing.

Since this was a jury selection statement and not the trial they can throw anything they want out there.

Muddling waters for pre jurors.

 

[kae27]

It could have come from either girl, an animal, hair off of Allen's jacket or a hair off of a jacket Abby was wearing.

Since this was a jury selection statement and not the trial they can throw anything they want out there.

Muddling waters for pre jurors.

I'm aware it could have come from a variety of sources. I was responding only to the notion, which I quoted, that it could be Abby's hair.

 

[Warwick7]

I'm aware it could have come from a variety of sources. I was responding only to the notion, which I quoted, that it could be Abby's hair.

I agree with you.

 

[shonyakay]

Anyone know why Abby's date of death was listed as February 14th in her obit when Libby's was listed as February 13th?

 

[Spartygirl]

I suppose this is the first case where I've really gotten into the weeds of the events leading up to a trial, but is it normal for both sides to try to kneecap each other as much seems to be occurring in this case? It's not making me feel confident in the prosecution's strength of evidence against Allen.

Don't fret or worry.... They have the right man
The D team is full of kneecaps so I am sure there will be more shenanigans from them.

 

[m00c0w]

There was a gag order in place

Just my opinion.

A gag order doesn’t prevent the defense from filing motions to adequately represent their client. They surely filed all sorts of strange motions, including the many Franks. In all of that, including attempts to get third party culpability admitted, this was never brought up. Once. Quite odd.

All my opinion.

 

[iamshadow21]

Anyone know why Abby's date of death was listed as February 14th in her obit when Libby's was listed as February 13th?

Personal choice of the families. Obits are not a legal document.

MOO

 

[shonyakay]

Personal choice of the families. Obits are not a legal document.

MOO

True i.e. not legal.

Do you think the family was informed that one girl may have died after the other, or do you think LE would keep that info hidden? I know the family didn't know cause of death even.

Also, I suppose it could be because the family chose that date for Abby because that is the date the girls' were discovered.

 

[iamshadow21]

True i.e. not legal.

Do you think the family was informed that one girl may have died after the other, or do you think LE would keep that info hidden? I know the family didn't know cause of death even.

Also, I suppose it could be because the family chose that date for Abby because that is the date the girls' were discovered.

No mystery. One chose the date of discovery, the other chose the date they went missing.

There have been any number of conspiracies about the different obit dates over the years, but it wasn't because of secret information given about different times of death.

MOO