Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #200

[rez125]

The guards apparently thought he was faking, and the psychologist thought he might be faking at times. If I had to lean in a particular direction though, I'd go in the direction that he was in some sort of crisis. He did apparently start talking about God quite a bit before it happened, and in my limited experience seeing that (when it comes out of the blue), what follows is never good. It's of course also possible that he came in and out of that state to some extent.

So at this stage (knowing nothing), I'll give the defense that. It becomes a moot point however if those confessions include real details that only the killer would know though.

This part sounds like the concerns I would expect a lucid person to have:

Allen, Harshman said, talked about why he killed the girls and why he delayed in confessing, although the detective did not elaborate on what those motivations were. Harshman also said Allen expressed fears that his family will no longer love him after the trial, during which they will see graphic photos of the girls' bodies.

Did Richard Allen confess to killing two Delphi teens? Here's what we learned

Witnesses testified this week about Delphi murder suspect Richard Allen's statements and behavior following his arrest.

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The guards are being labelled as "skilled witnesses" which is scary to say the least.

I'm sure the D will have an expert or two to refute anything they try to say as to him faking a condition.

 

[snarast]

No it wasn't. The State will be able to prove that. Wait until we hear the actual evidence.

Everything hinges on it.
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[katydid23]

Ignoring the fact that those girls could easily be missed by searchers, even if they were really, really close to them, there's another issue we've talked about:

This killer would have to remove the girls from the scene, and pointlessly/insanely bring them back to an area that couldn't possibly be more dangerous to him. He'd have to park his car, and carry them one by one through an area where he'd have every expectation of bumping into searchers.

Lunacy isn't strong enough a word.

Not to mention the large pools of blood, surrounding the bodies. ... But the D team is saying they were killed somewhere else and the bodies were returned to the scene. Not possible with all that blood right there.

 

[KooshBall]

IMO that’s why trials should be lived streamed, or delayed posted, at least in audio. I don’t trust MSM, podcasters, youtube channels, or print media to get things 100% right, especially with the draconian rules Judge G has in place.

I agree. It is making it very hard to follow the trial and now I can't believe what I read and hear, because it is just someone's interpretation of what they heard. It also is allowing the social media people who can attend to benefit by gaining followers and money off a the murder of two children.

 

[rez125]

Not to mention the large pools of blood, surrounding the bodies. ... But the D team is saying they were killed somewhere else and the bodies were returned to the scene. Not possible with all that blood right there.

Proof will be in the crime scene photos.

I've only read/heard there was little blood at the scene (but blood on bodies etc).

If they were killed and bled out there we'll see it.

 

[katydid23]

Proof will be in the crime scene photos.

I've only read/heard there was little blood at the scene (but blood on bodies etc).

If they were killed and bled out there we'll see it.

How about all the blood splatter on the tree? It is very hard to create blood splatter unless the killing is actually occurring right there, IMO.

 

[rez125]

How about all the blood splatter on the tree? It is very hard to create blood splatter unless the killing is actually occurring right there, IMO.

I hadn't read about any spatter on trees.

Tbf I've missed a few years of this case and only got back into it recently.

My point still stands though, we'll know for sure once the scene is shown in court.

 

[iamshadow21]

I hadn't read about any spatter on trees.

Tbf I've missed a few years of this case and only got back into it recently.

My point still stands though, we'll know for sure once the scene is shown in court.

The blood spatter expert testified at the prelim. I'll link the summary by a user of his testimony, but it is graphic, so be warned.

Spatter expert testimony of the scene and the murders - summary

 

[rez125]

The blood spatter expert testified at the prelim. I'll link the summary by a user of his testimony, but it is graphic, so be warned.

Spatter expert testimony of the scene and the murders - summary

Ah thank you.

 

[iamshadow21]

Ah thank you.

Yeah, in my opinion, if what he testified at the prelim is what the scene was like... there's no way those girls died anywhere but at the scene where they were found.

MOO

 

[rez125]

Yeah, in my opinion, if what he testified at the prelim is what the scene was like... there's no way those girls died anywhere but at the scene where they were found.

MOO

Sure reads like it.

I didn't even know there was a preliminary hearing I best go and read up on it.

 

[Vern]

Because the rules JG set, is that only members of the Press Pool that she's defined as MSM-only has access to viewing the evidence, according to TMS. Maybe it was unclear and public thought they were allowed, but JG herself told AM she is not allowed to partake because she is not there as press, so according to JG, she is not allowed.

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EDITED: posted by accident half way through typing.

Here's the Judge's Order that deals with "Media Viewing" of the evidence.

Please note that same document details that the Defence & Prosecution Teams have also come to agreement on that evidence, inclusive of crime scene photos, that will be held "Confidential" and thus not viewable by media each day after the court session has completed.

_Order on October 16, 2024

drive.google.com

 

[zh0r4]

Looking over the clothing items and the arrangement of the articles. Like a lot of other people on here, I'm trying to figure out why one victim was treated so much differently from the other; why one victim is clothed so differently from the other; why Libby's phone was left behind; why that bullet is between the victims; and the meaning of RA's keepsake bullet in the wooden box in a dresser in the master bedroom (??).

We'll know to the extent possible soon on at least some of these questions, I hope. In the meantime, just kind of mulling over the "interruption" mentioned by P. Interrupted how? I doubt it's human interference. They know who was on the trails at that time on that day, correct? But I can't be sure, and maybe they can't, either (?) However, assuming it wasn't human interruption (like some unrelated person on the trail), what are some possibilities? Someone fell off the bridge. Someone fell descending down the hill. Someone was injured, maybe one or both of the girls, maybe he was injured. I don't think Libby's phone ringing was the interruption because this would have emphasized in his mind the need to dispose of that phone, and it was left behind. Was there some physical altercation, did one of the girls throw a rock or something at him? Did an animal make noise or movement that spooked him?

On the unspent bullet between the girls, it was partially buried. This is (obviously) just a guess, but I think the killer had a rich fantasy life and this somehow played into the particulars of his fantasy. There's really no reason for that bullet to be there. And RA has that keepsake bullet in the wooden box that he kept in a dresser in his master bedroom. Why the "keepsake" bullet? Two bullets, two victims? The strange clothing situation, too, where one victim's wearing the other's clothes, might be part of his fantasy. But also wondering if he was extremely concerned about the clothing articles that went into the creek. He had to know those were going to be like a calling card to LE finding the CS. Maybe he was frantically trying to make sure no other clothing items ended up in the creek after his departure (dragged off by wind, rain, animals...) Just thoughts & guesses on this as I'm mulling it over.

Good questions. One possibility for a keepsake bullet could be if you’re a hunter and it was from the first deer you killed. Some areas hunting is really common and people may go hunting with a parent or grandparent from when they are a child. Or it could be a keepsake from the first time you went shooting. Another possibility is if you are into family history and maybe your father/grandfather/great grandfather/other family member kept the bullet and when they died you inherited it. I don’t know anything about the keepsake bullet of RA’s, but those are a few hypothetical reasons you may have a keepsake bullet that aren’t nefarious.

 

[Melted]

Not to mention the large pools of blood, surrounding the bodies. ... But the D team is saying they were killed somewhere else and the bodies were returned to the scene. Not possible with all that blood right there.

I believe the d team is going with they were taken somewhere else and then returned to that spot alive, possibly the killers told them they would drop them off there so searchers could find them and they could go home?

This matches up with the 3-4 am screams someone searching had heard.


JMO

 

[rez125]

Here's the Judge's Order that deals with "Media Viewing" of the evidence.

Please note that same document details that the Defence & Prosecution Teams have also come to agreement on that evidence, inclusive of crime scene photos, that will be held "Confidential" and thus not viewable by media each day after the court session has completed.

_Order on October 16, 2024

drive.google.com

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So they're sealed?

But will be shown in court during testimony and everyone can see them on those days?

 

[wastelands_]

I hadn't read about any spatter on trees.

Tbf I've missed a few years of this case and only got back into it recently.

My point still stands though, we'll know for sure once the scene is shown in court.

There is a document with an interview with the blood splatter expert floating around, give that one a read

 

[Vern]

Did the accused make a confession, or did he say something that only the killer could know?

Testimony Transcript of Detective Brian Harshman

_Testimony of Detective Brian Harshman Given at Hearing on Motion to Suppress Held July 31, 2024.pdf

drive.google.com

 

[katydid23]

I believe the d team is going with they were taken somewhere else and then returned to that spot alive, possibly the killers told them they would drop them off there so searchers could find them and they could go home?

This matches up with the 3-4 am screams someone searching had heard.


JMO

But in the opening statements, didn't they say that they were killed somewhere else and then were returned?

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/state-defense-deliver-opening-statements-in-delphi-murders-trial/

The defense attorney also suggested the girls may have gone up an access road, gotten into another vehicle and were killed elsewhere before being taken back to where their bodies were discovered near Deer Creek.

 

[girlhasnoname]

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[mrjitty]

I kind of thought once their SODDI strategy flopped that the defence would have something a bit more than this second location idea. Just seems too preposterous on it's face.

Surely it's simply better to say our man was not there, there is strange phone stuff, we don't know what happened? I think if they need the jury to actually take the second location seriously, its an uphill battle with the confessions on the scales.

For a juror, i feel like it will become one story - the simple and obvious one - versus a complicated one. Maybe they feel if they don't have something, they are sunk?

MOO