I can provide a link showing the P did spend 20k on genealogy testing. It does not specify it was for this hair, but common sense would say it was.
What would be more important to test than hair found in a victim's hand?
And Kelsi has said that she gave them her DNA several times starting in 2017.
Besides, they could ONLY know it was female hair if it was DNA tested . And they could only know it was familial DNA if it was genealogy tested. So we know it was tested.
It’s the Defense's job to ensure that the Prosecution proves beyond a reasonable doubt that their client is guilty of the crime they’re being accused of. They’re doing their job to ensure no innocent person is penalized for a crime that they did not commit. IMO
Doesn’t matter what we think or anyone else out in SM. If there is any basis in this rumour it will come out during the trial. Someone must testify to this if it is so. Patience. JMO
Yes, poor Abby and Libby were murdered but whether or not it was RA is yet to be determined. With respect to the “Bad Apple Defense team” I beg to differ. Many an innocently accused individual would thank their lucky stars to get them! JMHO
It is early hours of Monday the 21st for me over here in the UK, and as we are about to enter the first full week of trial - that will be crucial for the Prosecution, I wanted to make a compilation of the P's weaknesses, as I understand them, and the points I hope they will offer clarity on.
(IANAL so these are all just my semi-informed thoughts)
- Time of Death. Early on I was hopeful that the coroner's report - not the summary - would have an exact ToD but it is looking like that due to the temperature, the ToD is much less cut-and-dry than I was hoping for. I hope the P will have means to fortify ToD IF the coroner's report was inconclusive on that front. Otherwise there is a crack for the D to plant doubt re: P's timeline
- Weapon(s) used. Two weapons do not mean two perps, but the idea of them makes the D's theory more palatable. I would like to see if the types of wound can be explained by different parts of a bladed weapon (aka boxcutter, perhaps, edge vs side). I'd like to see an expert testify on the wounds and on the potential weapons.
- Crime-scene: A lot has been made about multiple perps, and I will need to see the P presenting evidence that shuts any doubt down. Do they have footsteps, that are only matched to one pair of shoes + the girls? A lot will depend on what the ground was like that day...
- Phone reconnecting with tower. I personally have IT experience so I understand the concept of the phone turning on by itself/trying to reconnect because of a myriad of reasons, but I need the P to present an expert that explains things in a very simple and easy to follow way.
- Confessions. The D will make a lot on the subject of false confessions, and I would like the P to present an expert on false confessions and walk us through why RA's confessions don't show the characteristics of a false confessions, with statistics.
These are the points that keep me awake, tbh. Hope we will get some strong and clear expert testimony that fortifies the case.
A criminal defense attorney doesn't have to prove that their client is innocent; they must simply convince the judge or jury that there is some doubt in the case about their client's guilt.
Do you have a link that RLs property was searched that same night? I’ve never seen it. Perhaps permission was being obtained if it became necessary to continue the search the following morning?
I believe this individual testified yesterday and ultimately was the same person that discovered the girls on 2/14. He did not make any statement of searching the exact location the girls were murdered the night or morning prior to the horrific discovery.
And defense had a chance to cross him, instead they asked about his cell service when calling the police to notify them and how long it took them to arrive.
It was covered in TMS episode from yesterday.
He had the decency to turn his back to provide dignity to the victims. He choked up during his testimony. What a horrible way to be a hero.
all my opinion supported by source linked below;
Well, I can't way whether it is a fact or not, but there have been claims, unequivocally, of searching that area that night and the girls were not there. It was from someone who knows the area well. I happened to believe him but your mileage may vary.
As we've seen with reporting in mainstream media about the shoes recently, mainstream media also is not always fact.
The ONLY way to know that it is female hair, and that there is a familial connection is to DNA test it.
They tested it enough times to figure that much out, and that was 20k worth of testing.
It was not a failure. It was a financial budgeting decision. They don't really need to know anymore than they already figured out. It was a borrowed hoodie from Libby's female relative. So hair from a female relative is no big bombshell surprise.
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It’s the Defense's job to ensure that the Prosecution proves beyond a reasonable doubt that their client is guilty of the crime they’re being accused of. They’re doing their job to ensure no innocent person is penalized for a crime that they did not commit. IMO
But this does not take away from the fact the Court is still charged with ensuring the orderly disposition of the case and preserving the processes by which a fair trial may be conducted, generally, on a case by case basis.
To that end, the Court enters a Decorum Order pertaining to the conduct of the trial in this matter which may or may not include EMC (expanded media coverage). The media, the
public, the parties, and the parties' legal representatives and agents shall at all times be subject the Order by the Court.
Evolving or not, it's unfortunate that human behavior can not be predicted to be civil, dignified, or honorable -- even under solemnity of a courtroom.
For examples, it was recently reported that people posing as law enforcement officers or official media outlets to gain access to private, locked WebEx live streams were nude and playing *advertiser censored* during livestreaming court proceedings.
And if the Court had to Order restrictions to enter/exit the courtroom, it's likely due to prior experience. In other words, it's not so unusual.
A similar instruction was provided for the 2019 decorum Order for Colorado's Patrick Frazee's trial -- convicted of murdering Kelsey Berreth:
Except for emergencies, all members of the public and media in Division 11 Courtroom
shall be seated before the Court session begins. When the Judge enters the courtroom,
everyone must rise and then be seated at his direction. Everyone must then remain
seated until a recess is called. No admittance will be permitted while Court is in session.
Spectators or media leaving the courtroom while the Court is in session will not be
permitted to re-enter until the next break.
Here, I also recall the Court further requiring media and the public to cross the street to utilize their electronics, a parameter used to establishing the Courthouse location. It soon became known as 'tweeting the trial from across the street,' but not due to any infringement against the civil rights of the defendant or others.
Thanks for the recollection of the PF trial. I remember the media running outside and doing live Twitter, breathless, reading from notepads. They provided a lot of detail in a short period of time.
Do you have a link that RLs property was searched that same night? I’ve never seen it. Perhaps permission was being obtained if it became necessary to continue the search the following morning?
The ONLY way to know that it is female hair, and that there is a familial connection is to DNA test it.
They tested it enough times to figure that much out, and that was 20k worth of testing.
It was not a failure. It was a financial budgeting decision. They don't really need to know anymore than they already figured out. It was a borrowed hoodie from Libby's female relative. So hair from a female relative is no big bombshell surprise.
This isn't correct. Microscopic analysis can also be used to identify gender of an individual's hair.
Hairs are slender fibrous outgrowths projecting from the skin that possess different microscopic characteristics such as shape, color, and root appearance. Variability in such features can help forensic scientists to determine age, gender, and racial origin of the person that shed the hair, as well as allowing one to determine which area of the body hair has come from.
Hair samples are one of the most important resources in the forensic analysis of crime scenes, often providing valuable information that can help to lead to the identification of a suspect or victim.
The outer cuticle, middle cortex, and inner medulla make up hair, which is an epidermal outgrowth. Hair is resilient under harsh natural conditions, thus it is frequently collected at crime scenes, making human hair analysis important in the ...
Perhaps we should afford RA’s daughter the same respect that we afford the girls’ families? We have NO idea what her situation is, and quite frankly it’s none of our business. I found it very sad that KA found it necessary to publicly profess her support of her husband through an attorney due to rumours that were echoed on these threads and rightfully removed. JMHO
Hair samples are one of the most important resources in the forensic analysis of crime scenes, often providing valuable information that can help to lead to the identification of a suspect or victim.
The outer cuticle, middle cortex, and inner medulla make up hair, which is an epidermal outgrowth. Hair is resilient under harsh natural conditions, thus it is frequently collected at crime scenes, making human hair analysis important in the ...
The ONLY way to know that it is female hair, and that there is a familial connection is to DNA test it.
They tested it enough times to figure that much out, and that was 20k worth of testing.
It was not a failure. It was a financial budgeting decision. They don't really need to know anymore than they already figured out. It was a borrowed hoodie from Libby's female relative. So hair from a female relative is no big bombshell surprise.
Unless the female relative was personally experiencing hair loss, why would a handful of it be inside of Abby’s hand? Especially after she was brutally murdered. IMO
Unless the female relative was personally experiencing hair loss, why would a handful of it be inside of Abby’s hand? Especially after she was brutally murdered. IMO
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