Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #200

[rez125]

Trial on a Saturday? Is that out of the ordinary?

 

[TTF14]

Civilians who provide DNA do so with the protection that that DNA is only used for specific purposes and stored for a limited time.

Their samples aren't all put in a database to be held indefinitely.

MOO

Ohhh, ok, thank you. I didn't know that.

 

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[MassGuy]

Will all of the Saturday sessions be so short?

And why would they ask a deputy that and why would he answer? (Or was he on the stand?)

He was on the stand at the time. I do think that all Saturday sessions will be that short, but who knows. I've never followed a case that even had them.

 

[TTF14]

Trial on a Saturday? Is that out of the ordinary?

Yes, it is, but this jury is sequestered. I assume the court is trying to make the best use of their time to get them home to their lives as soon as they possibly can. There is no court on Sundays.

 

[Tricia]

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[rez125]

Yes, it is, but this jury is sequestered. I assume the court is trying to make the best use of their time to get them home to their lives as soon as they possibly can. There is no court on Sundays.

Ah yes they are. I keep forgetting they were brought in.

 

[Purdue19]

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[steeltowngirl]

Stupid question incoming....

So, when felons are convicted, then have to provide a DNA sample (in most states? Or all?) that goes into CODIS. During a murder investigation, the same type of system isn't used? Why would these family members (or anyone) even need to provide their DNA more than once?

Just curious.

As always, JMO.

As to why ask for retesting - All I can think of is if someone (in this case, defense) is questioning the validity of a test, maybe claiming / suspecting records were fudged or incomplete, a new test would be requested.

jmo

 

[MassGuy]

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[TTF14]

He was on the stand at the time. I do think that all Saturday sessions will be that short, but who knows. I've never followed a case that even had them.

Thank you. For some reason, I was imagining him just standing there in the courtroom!

 

[steeltowngirl]

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Gee, which weapon will defense claim Richard Allen DID use?

 

[TTF14]

As to why ask for retesting - All I can think of is if someone (in this case, defense) is questioning the validity of a test, maybe claiming / suspecting records were fudged or incomplete, a new test would be requested.

jmo

@iamshadow21 explained the reasoning upthread.

 

[iamshadow21]

Ohhh, ok, thank you. I didn't know that.

Yeah, it's an important protection against bad faith use by LE. Good case to illustrate this - there was a rape case. The victim in the case had her DNA taken with her consent when she was processed for that assault. Some LE got the bright idea of taking that sample and using it to compare to suspect DNA from another crime. The DNA matched. She won the case against them because they used her DNA illegally.

Sexual assault victim says DNA from her rape kit used against her by police: "I want to see justice"

A woman claims San Francisco police arrested her for theft based on DNA sample she had submitted to them as evidence years earlier for a rape investigation.

www.cbsnews.com

MOO

 

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[Arkay]

Those are amongst the things that make me lean towards believing RA is the guy.

But I can so easily put myself into those shoes. Likes to go on walks by self? Check. But likes to do so to listen to music and unwind. Not able to account for when/where I was? Check. But lives alone and doesn't check in/out with anyone. Leaves phone at home, meaning no traceability there? Check. But likes to wear thin workout clothes without the extra weight. Works in the community and people seem to like me? Check. But also a very quiet, cautious dude.

I get there are plenty of reasons why RA is looking guilty.

There are just so many "Check...but"s that I can place myself into. I just really, really hope the state has the goods. More than what we know so far...because: was I at spotted leaving my apartment on security footage 15 minutes ago? Check...but..."

I presume you are a perfectly lovely gentleman, with habits that work for you.

All good.

But alluding to what as @steeltowngirl mentioned, I also presume that you’ve not been at the same place, same time as two young girls who were viciously slaughtered.

You’re probably not on video where you look vastly similar to a man commanding those girls to go where he directs them.

Most likely you didn’t leave direct evidence of your presence at a crime scene in the form of a piece of weaponry.

Solitary habits are fine. Had you (or even a female such as I) ticked those boxes, I suspect we’d be in RA’s position right now.

So relieved we are at trial at last.

JMO

Justice for you, Abby. Justice for you, Libby. Peace for your families.

 

[TTF14]

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All of these people committed to attending this trial every day are going to lose so much weight. i don't know whether to be jealous or pray harder! I would not be able to handle these long days with no water or food. But especially water!

As always, JMO.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Banfield is discussing the Delphi trial now on NewsNation.

Notes:

• Susan Hendricks was in court today. KA teared up when Nick described the murders and how girls were found.
• “Undoing” is the reason Abby was redressed.
• BP reached for her own throat when Nick described how Libby likely reached for her slit throat and the tree as she fell to her death.

 

[Megnut]

From what Barbara MacDonald said on CourtTV LIVE is that the State were scrambling to get it tested.

May not be all worked out just yet.

Mightn't be relevant, but it might be as well.

BTW: The unspent bullet has never been tested with LE ones as it was brought up by Baldwin today.

JMO MOO JMT

More than likely, that hair was analyzed years ago, wasn't Abby or Libby's but probably had a lot in common with Libby's. No need to test further.

But then the Defense brought it up publicly, stating it wasn't RA's, blowing up the internet, moving LE to test it further to tamp that nonsense down definitively, LE is probably rushing a job to determine to which relative of Libby is the statistical match, to put it to bed.

There's absolutely no reason to compare the recovered bullet with LE issued ammo. LE don't randomly lose bullets. Nor do they rack their slides for no apparent reasons. And yes, many people might have that model gun, might have that brand of ammunition, but if this one bullet has striations tool marks that match another bullet and/or weapon of LE's suspect, that is quite compelling. Mounting evidence.

JMO

 

[rez125]

All of these people committed to attending this trial every day are going to lose so much weight. i don't know whether to be jealous or pray harder! I would not be able to handle these long days with no water or food. But especially water!

As always, JMO.

I know! Andrea was saying the no water is the worst, but she can get out to a drinking fountain during breaks.

I've never heard of such strict rules during a trial.