Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #200

[sunshineray]

I want to know what their questions were.

As far as the officers responding to the scene, if they had guns...stupid question, of course they're officers of the law. That being said, two dead bodies and traumatized searchers, they're guns stayed holstered, no doubt about that at all.
AJMO

 

[twall]

He was sitting in the defense seating immediately behind the table. Not the family's seats, the defense's seats.

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I know. I just explained why he wouldn't be at the defense table as I have seen people saying. What does it matter? Why doesn't anybody report on who else is sitting there? Would it be any different if BM is sitting in the gallery as is his right? Bottom line is MS is upset because they had to wait hours in the freezing cold and BM didn't. JMO

 

[sunshineray]

MS is coming across jealous since the judge denied their media passes and spending far too much time on this instead of the trial. Now isn’t the time for unnecessary drama not about the trial. It’s doing the girls an injustice.

IMO your statements couldn't be further from the truth of things. AJMO

 

[rez125]

We haven’t even heard what RA said while confessing yet the insinuation is his confessions must be false?

Not must be, but due to the conditions he faced while awaiting trial, it has been raised as a possibility. Something that doesn't get discussed often amongst the folk who've already decided guilty.

 

[MiniMoo]

Well that clears that up.
The Defense gets a seat allotment. They can have whoever they want in the seats assigned to them.

What I can't figure out is ... why does MS even care who's at the hearing? It's a public hearing.
Why would anyone care who's at the hearing?

JMHO

I'm wondering why it was necessary to broadcast it to the world when it isn't their business or anyone else's for that matter.

Causing trouble where there isn't any.

 

[sunshineray]

Well, that's different than what the MS said (as I understand....didn't listen)....that he was AT the table. Is there something illegal about where he was sitting?

As always, JMO.

It's what they said

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[Warwick7]

If someone is holding a gun to your head, are you screaming? If someone is holding a gun to your best friends head, are you screaming?

Once the stabbing begins and you are in total shock already from the kidnapping, letting out an actual scream probably never happens. I have my doubts that any real screaming was allowed to happen. They were both slit at the neck. That may have been the first wounds, which would have silenced them both quickly.

BG has L stripped naked, as he holds the gun to A's head, which forces L to comply. Then BG suddenly slits A's throat, shocking L, who starts to run, but he catches her from behind and slits her throat. So from then on, he can continue his violence, but no one is screaming. IMO

I hate! reading this. But unfortunately I think you are right.
:0(

 

[otto]

"You scream and I'll shoot you." [Racks slide]

It is possible that there was screaming, and no one heard it. Or that scenario you put forth is exactly how it went down.

Sometimes, when people are really scared, they do whatever they can to keep everything calm - self-preservation. Some couldn't scream even though they feel it - scared quiet. Screaming is more like hysterics. Screaming would not be helpful in that situation. Respectful compliance after abduction might be the best hope of coming out alive.

On the other hand, had they refused to do as he said at the end of the bridge, even though he was pointing a gun at them, and instead ran towards the road, even as far as the house at the end of the road, they might be alive today.

He killed with a knife because it is quiet. He didn't want to fire a shot in the park and draw attention to himself. If he had shot them at the end of the bridge ... high risk. Would he shoot two running teens to prevent being identified, or would he turn, run, deny? Speculation, but better to be shot on the spot than dragged into the forest to be slit in the neck after who knows what horror preceded.

 

[TTF14]

It's what they said

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So they didn't say he was sitting AT counsel's table?

 

[MassGuy]

Sometimes, when people are really scared, they do whatever they can to keep everything calm - self-preservation. Some couldn't scream even though they feel it - scared quiet. Screaming is more like hysterics. Screaming would not be helpful in that situation. Respectful compliance after abduction might be the best hope of coming out alive.

On the other hand, had they refused to do as he said at the end of the bridge, even though he was pointing a gun at them, and instead ran towards the road, even as far as the house at the end of the road, they might be alive today.

He killed with a knife because it is quiet. He didn't want to fire a shot in the park and draw attention to himself. If he had shot them at the end of the bridge ... high risk. Would he shoot two running teens to prevent being identified, or would he turn, run, deny? Speculation, but better to be shot on the spot than dragged into the forest to be slit in the neck after who knows what horror preceded.

I imagine if they split up and ran, they'd both be alive. We'll never know the answer for sure, but his plan would have been destroyed, and he'd be worried about immediately getting out of there.

These were two young teens though, who didn't have the benefit of our hindsight, or adult logic.

 

[sunshineray]

I know. And so what does it matter? Why doesn't anybody report on who else is sitting there? Would it be any different if BM is sitting in the gallery as is his right? Bottom line is MS is upset because they had to wait hours in the freezing cold and BM didn't. JMO

Yes I believe it does matter. BM has been shown time and time again to be an exaggerator and a teller of half-truths and falsehoods. He instigates instead of reporting. Very close, in my mind to the Due Process Gang's philosophy and tactics.
All Just My Opinion

 

[twall]

Yes I believe it does matter. BM has been shown time and time again to be an exaggerator and a teller of half-truths and falsehoods. He instigates instead of reporting. Very close, in my mind to the Due Process Gang's philosophy and tactics.
All Just My Opinion

As do many others. JMO

 

[otto]

The State DID test the hair. That's how they determined it was a female closely related to Libby.

But to continue the Genealogy Testing takes time and money. Once they realised it was a sister or cousin of the victim, was it really a priority to figure out who exactly it was? They were not the killer and it was more important to move on to higher priority issues.

Abby borrowed a hoodie from Libby's family before the hike. A hair from Libby's extended family was found on Abby. The hair is excluded because best friends are like spouses - not surprising to find evidence of each other on each other.

I don't recall, but did the defence mention that hair in opening statements? ... in the context of complaining that they didn't know who it belonged too and implying that the hair would identify the true suspect?

The hair doesn't need to be mentioned as evidence because it isn't evidence. Hopefully the prosecution will not veer off course to preemptively respond to non-evidence.

 

[ClearAhead]

Not must be, but due to the conditions he faced while awaiting trial, it has been raised as a possibility. Something that doesn't get discussed often amongst the folk who've already decided guilty.

Difficult to discuss whether RA’s confessions are true or false when we don’t know what he said. Sort of like discussing what the weather will be two weeks from next Thursday instead of waiting for it to happen. MOO

 

[rez125]

Yes it would be!

Unfortunately, evidence is only available for viewing by credentialed media for 15 minutes at the close of day! I'm hoping at least one looked at the photo of the Nikes shown to the jurors today, and will Tweet if it was a pair or a single shoe! Lawyer Lee channel hoped to memorialize the evidence after day 1 on Friday and was turned away -- she's not credentialed MSM.

Andrea saw it, she said she was first there to view the exhibits.

 

[TTF14]

Andrea saw it, she said she was first there to view the exhibits.

That was probably yesterday though, right?

 

[Emma Peel]

I care who is sitting with the defense team, if that person is doing podcasts every night and discussing the trial.

He's not sitting with the defense team. He's in the galley where the defense team is allowed a # of seats daily. Ali was there today as well. Hennessy will probably show up in the defense-allotted seats. Some of Hennessey's attorney witnesses for the Defense during the contempt hearing detour. Possibly Ausbrook. And Cara. What of it? They're all career Indiana Defense attorneys and they're just there to watch the biggest trial Indiana's seen in some years. (Not Bob - he's IL)

BM has been hyping up false and misleading 'bombshells' which are designed to amp up the chaos and confusion. Having him sit with the defense team is pretty revealing, imo.

The jury is sequestered away from all media. What chaos?

" but if anyone reporting tries to turn this trial into soap opera garbage; or inserts themselves into the story ... they're booted off my source list."

The above statement describes BM, in my opinion. He is the conduit from the Defense to the social media you-tubers that are creating false narratives in the public.

What false narratives? What conduit? Bob's been a practicing defense attorney for 35-some years. Call me crazy but I'm thinkin' Bob can independently think for himself. Has his own opinions and draws from his own experiences. Same for Ali, his wife.

He KNEW that hair belonged to one of Libby's female relatives. Yet he hyped it up, confirmed it was HUMAN hair, and implied it was a clump of unknown hair in a dead girls fist, that did not match the defendant.

That was a misleading rumour, hyped up and rolled out by BM and his crew, in order to turn public opinion against the P.


BM is full of dirty tricks. IMO

Facts are coming out slowly. Baldwin said what he said and EVERYONE reporting that day - put out the same information as Bob at break - when they did not yet have the full story. Why would folks blame Bob for Baldwin's trial style?

JHMO

 

[sunshineray]

I

I'm wondering why it was necessary to broadcast it to the world when it isn't their business or anyone else's for that matter.

Causing trouble where there isn't any.

RA's Defense Team is everyone's business considering the public is funding their paychecks. Especially since so many have forgotten the deeds they've done OR are ok with their blatant disregard for stewartship of confidential discovery, for ethics while building on their allowed zealousness.
All Just My Opinion

 

[sunshineray]

As do many others. JMO

That does not make it ok, for his behaviors.MO

 

[rez125]

That was probably yesterday though, right?

Friday, she didn't attend court on Saturday. Is that yesterday for you?

I'm in Australia so I'm constantly mucking up the timezone haha.