Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #201

[Deleted member 229974]

I haven't followed this case in a long time. I didn't even know there was a ritual theory.

In the beginning of the investigation it was claimed by investigators that there were numerous ritualistic “signs” that the killer or killers had purposely left at the crime scene. (They weren’t called signs though, it was another term, that I can’t recall) Deliberate posing of the bodies, usual placement of sticks, etc. IMO

 

[EllaMinnowP]

One photo showed what appeared to be black marks on Libby’s body.

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I wonder if we will learn anymore about these black marks.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

They, the jury, will probably never have to do another trial again after seeing those photos and when this is all done.

I hope the families are supported and given comfort as well - very hard and disturbing for them and all involved.

JMO MOO JMO

I don’t know if the family had ever seen the photos prior to today.

 

[Megnut]

I think they were interrupted at the first site before Libby was forced to undress, crossed the river to the second site, Abby's pants getting wet but possibly not her shoes and socks. Once across, he decides he could sacrifice one to do to the other what he wanted, and in that horrible moment, Libby tried unsuccessfully to get away.

The details from today are deeply disturbing. Real little girls, ripped from their families. Demonstrates how these are crimes against the State, committed in acts that violate all humanity.

JMO

 

[imstilla.grandma]

“For five years, he lived in this community,” McLeland said. “He worked in this community. He hid in plain sight.”

The prosecutor said the audio and video evidence from Libby’s phone is expected to be crucial.

The judge has already torpedoed one of Allen’s lawyers’ alternative theories. In the discarded narrative, it was claimed the girls were murdered in a ritualistic sacrifice by a coven linked to Norse pagan religion Odinism.

Disturbing evidence emerges as trial in Indiana teens' slaying starts

If there was ever any doubt, the double murder definitively proved there are monsters among us.

torontosun.com

 

[Megnut]

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I wonder if we will learn anymore about these black marks.

dbm

 

[rhino]

The families were shown these awful photos on Saturday before shown in court today

I don’t know if the family had ever seen the photos prior to today.

From earlier in the thread, yes they had seen them.

 

[Ravenmoon]

I think those might be the wounds themselves. Frozen in time.

JMO

Maybe they ( the black narks) were used to cover Libby's genetalia and breasts?

 

[minazoe]

One should not forget that the girls had been lying there deceased until lunch time the following day.

What clothing was still 'damp' then, perhaps may have been 'wet' - even soaking wet - the afternoon before and prior to the timing that the Prosecution believes "it was over".

you can tell jeans are wet because they will appear darker say from the knee down..upon looking and not touching you cannot guess the degree of dampness...it just depends on the jeans..the fabric..were they cotton? a cold damp night..
were they spandex and cotton? heavy or light..dampness is just descriptive and not a statement as to the degree of. ADDED. Color too...if the jeans had been completely soaked from top to bottom they would. have to wait for them to dry to know the original color of the jeans. I don't think there is a scientific way to time the dampness factor..you would have to fully re-create the environment. mOO

 

[BUF]

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I wonder if we will learn anymore about these black marks.

Maybe during the ME testimony

 

[BUF]

I don’t know if the family had ever seen the photos prior to today.

I posted a video upthread where the reporter said these photos were shown to the families on Saturday, before this testimony today

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Delphi Girls Murdered | wthr.com

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Unexpected Delphi crime scene photo shocks courtroom, elicits gasps and apology

At one point, someone pushed the wrong button, and a close-up of Libby’s bloodied face was prematurely projected to the courtroom.

www.indystar.com

 

[SouthEnd]

Yeah, it was what, over twenty hours?

That's long enough for some drying to occur.

MOO

100% yes. The ground was not entirely frozen, and it was not concrete. The earth around them was soft, because the girls were warm, at first.

If you have a garden that you water, you see how fast the earth absorbs moisture even in a cold night. These were not wet clothes someone left on the cold floor overnight. These were the clothes on a human, a girl, who was warm, and the earth soaked up the creek's water from the clothes the way it did the blood.

It is heart-breaking, but everything, thus far, is so easy to follow along, IMO.

All MOO

 

[arielilane]

Posted five hours ago

Delphi Murders Trial is underway. This is day three. The families Pastor is at the courthouse on a day graphic pictures may be shown in the courtroom. This is video of people who lined up outside the courthouse beginning at 12:30a

https://twitter.com/x/status/1848354649599856802

 

[Kittybunny]

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I wonder if we will learn anymore about these black marks.

Before this becomes some other thing that can be twisted by the Defense somehow, during her live update on CourtTV, Barbara McDonald said that black bars had been placed over parts of Libby's body in the photographs shown to the jury to protect her modesty since she was nude. I'm almost certain that is what is meant. Not that that will matter to some.

It's at around 2:45 in the video below:

Witnesses Detail Delphi Murders Crime Scene in Richard Allen's Trial

Crime scene investigator Jason Page walked the jury through more than 40 images in the trial of Richard Allen.

www.courttv.com

(Note, this is not directed at you Ella, just frustrated with the twisting of facts that keeps happening despite sworn testimony otherwise).

 

[Cedars]

In the beginning of the investigation it was claimed by investigators that there were numerous ritualistic “signs” that the killer or killers had purposely left at the crime scene. (They weren’t called signs though, it was another term, that I can’t recall) Deliberate posing of the bodies, usual placement of sticks, etc. IMO

The investigators never said 'killers'. In particular, during Carters 2019 press conference he spoke over and over again about and to one killer.

I do not agree that (experienced, competent) investigators talked about ritualistic signs.

JMO

 

[BUF]

Before this becomes some other thing that can be twisted by the Defense somehow, during her live update on CourtTV, Barbara McDonald said that black bars had been placed over parts of Libby's body in the photographs shown to the jury to protect her modesty since she was nude. I'm almost certain that is what is meant. Not that that will matter to some.

(Note, this is not directed at you Ella, just frustrated with the twisting of facts that keeps happening despite sworn testimony otherwise).

Thank you for clarifying that….it’s hard to keep things straight when getting bits and pieces from different reporters

 

[Kittybunny]

Thank you for clarifying that.

You're welcome - I also edited my post above to add the link to the video and timestamp where Barbara says that.

 

[shonyakay]

- Libby’s mom and sister were visibly emotional.
- Richard Allen’s mom and step dad were holding hands as photos were shown.
- Richard Allen did not have much reaction to the photos.

Anybody observe Kathy Allen's reaction or was she not in the courtroom at the time?

Also, did any of the jurors look over at RA to gauge his reaction err... non-reaction?

 

[Web_Sleuth]

I wonder if there was much more to his plan…was he walking them toward….a place, a shed/barn…somewhere and the spot they ended up was not the intention. The girls maybe made a huge attempt to fight back and it ended badly. Just thinking through possibilities. Just seems like his intentions would/could have been more but wasn’t able to “follow through” due to an interruption of his plan - possibly that fighting back when he thought he had complete control.

JMO