Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #201

[Cedars]

Maybe they did see a completely different man; it's theoretically possible. None of that cancels out the fact that Allen says he was there, and that he freely admits he was dressed like BG.

But Allen says he saw three females, and three females say they saw him. There's almost no chance that one of them would not have come forward early on. As I described in my example earlier, witness descriptions can be way off.

His clothing description was his first confession.

Personally, I find it helpful to try to follow the case as the jury is hearing it. As yet, Prosecution hasn't entered any evidence about the trio, or RA's initial statement.

From the point of view of the Prosecution, and IMO the jury, the story they're telling is that police learned about BG from Libby's phone, and, after publizing the video, some people came forward claiming to have seen him hanging around the area.

IMO, from the point of view of the jury, they are being brought along the investigation step by step. To see, through LE eyes, how it lead them to (legitimately, the Prosecution hopes) arrest and prosecute RA.

Someone said, trials are won or lost by who tells the most believable story. It's not just duelling pieces of evidence.

JMO

 

[FrostedGlass]

TADA!View attachment 539802

If he was wearing his black jacket with a hood and no head covering, that's not him.

 

[ClearAhead]

I agree. But IMO, the exact identification is not important in this context. The purpose of these witnesses is not to identify Richard Allen.

The point is, multiple people told investigators they saw a guy resembling BG, around the bridge, at a certain time (that seems not to have been recorded in the media reports), and he was alone.

Perhaps the defense will bring forward witnesses who saw a vehicle/vehicles with a group of Odinists roaming the park?

JMO

Good point! I don’t think any of us really expected these witnesses would be called upon to point towards RA sitting in his chair and loudly declare <drum roll> “It was him, that’s who I saw!”

The point of their testimony was each of them saw a man who resembled the photo of BG at critical times, to aid in developing a timeline.

Coming soon, for the P to introduce evidence proving BG = RA.

JMO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Waiting for the science in this case. Technology? Is there going to be any technology to tie up the loose ends?
The unspent bullet alone, doesnt do it for me. jmo

Maybe RA can testify to the jury that he would test for feeding issues when he bought a new type of ammo by cycling a few live rounds thru his P226.

He would then test fire those rounds at the property which later became the crime scene and could have dropped a live round on the ground. JMO.

 

[Bbgiraffe]

I’m not sure if he said he was on the trail until 3:30. I believe that in dullins note it was a time frame of between 130 and 330, not that he was there for 2 hours from 130 until 3:30 if that makes sense.

If you can source the note and prove that incorrect id be more than happy to admit I’m wrong

Imo

The PCA is in this article

Court documents released in Delphi murder case: Read the probable cause affidavit here

The affidavit does not indicate how Libby German or Abby Williams were killed Feb. 13, 2017. Read the probable cause affidavit here.

www.indystar.com

And you're right, it says "Mr. Allen was on the trail between 13:30-15:30" it just seems like to me at least, if he left at 2:15 it would say "Mr. Allen was on the trail between 13:30-14:15" I guess I don't understand why the time frame would be stated like that unless he was there until 3:30. Especially when this statement was made immediately following the crime. I can see not remembering exact times 5 years later, but to not remember what time you left just a couple days prior seems odd to me. To give a span of time like that.

 

[Boxer]

I don’t think you are understanding what I’m saying.

Richard Allen says he saw 3 girls.

4 girls said they saw BG.

Richard Allen does not say he saw 4 girls.

4 girls do not say they saw Richard Allen.

JMO

MOO He passed them.
He saw and counted the older girls. The witness saw the girls crossing Freedom Bridge as she drove under it on way to the Mears lot.
RA had just passed the girls on the trail as he headed to the MHB and they headed to the FB.
Those are the girls he saw.

 

[lonetraveler]

Maybe they did see a completely different man; it's theoretically possible. None of that cancels out the fact that Allen says he was there, and that he freely admits he was dressed like BG.

But Allen says he saw three females, and three females say they saw him. There's almost no chance that one of them would not have come forward early on. As I described in my example earlier, witness descriptions can be way off.

His clothing description was his first confession.

Wonder how many males in the courtroom have carhart jackets? I'm thinking that he is not the bridge guy. Yes, he was there that day and wears a carhart jacket like the bridge guy. He is not tall, nor boyish as one witness stated. I think this case has a lot of holes in it. JMO

 

[Melted]

The PCA is in this article

Court documents released in Delphi murder case: Read the probable cause affidavit here

The affidavit does not indicate how Libby German or Abby Williams were killed Feb. 13, 2017. Read the probable cause affidavit here.

www.indystar.com

And you're right, it says "Mr. Allen was on the trail between 13:30-15:30" it just seems like to me at least, if he left at 2:15 it would say "Mr. Allen was on the trail between 13:30-14:15" I guess I don't understand why the time frame would be stated like that unless he was there until 3:30. Especially when this statement was made immediately following the crime. I can see not remembering exact times 5 years later, but to not remember what time you left just a couple days prior seems odd to me. To give a span of time like that.

Could go either way, he could of said “I was on the trails from 1:30 until 3:30” or “I was on the trails between 1:30 and 3:30”

It definitely would be clear if the recording wasn’t lost.

JMO

 

[MassGuy]

Could go either way, he could of said “I was on the trails from 1:30 until 3:30” or “I was on the trails between 1:30 and 3:30”

It definitely would be clear if the recording wasn’t lost.

JMO

Where are you getting this this recording was lost? I thought that was the two interviews that the defense wanted to use for their made up cult thing.

I wouldn't think it would have been recorded in the first place.

 

[lonetraveler]

Waiting for the science in this case. Technology? Is there going to be any technology to tie up the loose ends?
The unspent bullet alone, doesnt do it for me. jmo

I'm thinking that we don't need to hold our breath for technology to show up.

 

[MassGuy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1848879302269346033

 

[joe jones]

every report I read or every recap of a days testimony has different facts, or leaves out stuff, I try to read/watch a range of different media some pro prosecution some pro defence and some in the middle but I still don't feel as if I am getting a complete picture,
I have still thrown all my toys out of my pram at not being able to watch it myself

 

[lonetraveler]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1848879302269346033

This judge is making my eyebrows raise a bit. Some of the rulings just aren't right. JMO I have never heard of a judge not allowing the composite sketches being introduced into the evidence in the courtroom. I feel sure if the sketch actually looked like Richard Allen, it would have immediately been allowed in the trial. JMO

 

[MassGuy]

This judge is making my eyebrows raise a bit. Some of the rulings just aren't right. JMO

All of the rulings have been within the confines of the law. God knows we've seen similar rules in regards to media coverage before. I'm not a fan though. At all.

 

[Melted]

Here’s a source regarding key evidence that was destroyed

‘Recorded over’ | Richard Allen’s attorneys claim key evidence destroyed in Delphi murders case

The attorneys for Richard Allen are claiming key evidence was destroyed in the investigation into the killings of Abby Williams and Libby German in Delphi in 2017.

www.21alivenews.com

 

[Cedars]

every report I read or every recap of a days testimony has different facts, or leaves out stuff, I try to read/watch a range of different media some pro prosecution some pro defence and some in the middle but I still don't feel as if I am getting a complete picture,
I have still thrown all my toys out of my pram at not being able to watch it myself

I'm extremely irritated by media outlets that insist on recapping the whole of the last 7 years, before mentioning one or two points about the day's testimony. I guess it's to maximize eyeballs-to-ad ratios.

 

[snooptroop88]

I would never describe Richard Allen as "boyish".

Not anymore. We'd want to examine images of RA in the appropriate timeframes, however, like around 2017.

 

[MassGuy]

Here’s a source regarding key evidence that was destroyed

‘Recorded over’ | Richard Allen’s attorneys claim key evidence destroyed in Delphi murders case

The attorneys for Richard Allen are claiming key evidence was destroyed in the investigation into the killings of Abby Williams and Libby German in Delphi in 2017.

www.21alivenews.com

That mentions nothing about Allen's initial interview being destroyed; we'd certainly know if it was. It's almost certainly a moot point though, as that interview was conducted by a conservation officer, likely not utilizing that interview room (phone call or in person).

Those people were merely witnesses, and notes were taken. To use a very popular word around here, "nothing burger."

 

[Melted]

Richard Allen said he was there.

Regardless of how many girls….its not “nobody” said he was there, unless your opinion is that Richard Allen is not important enough in his own trial?

Source is hundreds of pages and thousands of posts that he himself told LE he was on the bridge that afternoon.

I agree. Many people were on the bridge that afternoon. Including Richard Allen, as he has openly stated since a couple days after the crime up until today.

That does not make Richard Allen BG

JMO

 

[Melted]

That mentions nothing about Allen's initial interview being destroyed; we'd certainly know if it was. It's almost certainly a moot point though, as that interview was conducted by a conservation officer, likely not utilizing that interview room (phone call or in person).

Those people were merely witnesses, and notes were taken. To use a very popular word around here, "nothing burger."

“I checked my audio recordings and cannot find one for him. I will keep looking because I am sure I recorded every interaction I had related to my assigned leads.”

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