Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #202

[Melted]

Not surprising, expected of a guilty party.
Jurors will remember that fact without notes.

The fact that none of the 23 electronic devices seized from his house connect him at all to Libby and Abby let alone the crime?

 

[Boxer]

The fact that none of the 23 electronic devices seized from his house connect him at all to Libby and Abby let alone the crime?

Phones from other dates are immaterial.

 

[JAY CLUCK]

Is anyone surprised?


Kit Hanley
@kithanleytv
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Pt.2: We also learned they seized 23 devices from Richard Allen. They reviewed all of them & there was nothing on them that connected him to Abby, Libby, or their murders.However, the phone he had in 2017 was not part of those devices and they could not locate that phone.
x.com

Well lookie there.

 

[MassGuy]

The fact that none of the 23 electronic devices seized from his house connect him at all to Libby and Abby let alone the crime?

The fact that the one device he had on him prior to the murders, during the murders, and after the murders was inexplicably missing.

Not damning, just interesting.

 

[Vern]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1849214513792368994

I suspect that she took her Snapchat photo while actually in the Snapchat app on her phone ...

When I save a Snap in Chat, where is it stored?​

Saving a Snap in Chat will save the Snap to our servers, not on your device. This is similar to when you share a camera roll image in Chat.

You can still Export the saved Snap to Camera Roll to save to your device after it’s been saved in the chat, and you can still take a screenshot!

Learn more about when Snapchat deletes Snaps and Chats.

https://help.snapchat.com/hc/en-us/articles/7012354501524-When-I-save-a-Snap-in-Chat-where-is-it-stored#:~:text=Saving%20a%20Snap%20in%20Chat,can%20still%20take%20a%20screenshot!

 

[ClearAhead]

How convenient he had all those devices and not the one from the time of the murders.

Yeah what a coincidence.

 

[SouthEnd]

So I have a serious question.

Can anyone cite a single source of one example of a phone powering off and then turning itself on 6 hours later?

JMO

So, I can give you my own experience and some links.

As a battery of a smartphone is dying, it performs a few tasks automatically. Think of it as a creature that's freezing and is trying to preserve energy/life/heat for its most important functions. It differs a little between models, but the basics are:

Use Low Power Mode to reduce power usage on iPhone

Low Power Mode reduces the amount of power that your iPhone uses when the battery gets low. It optimizes performance for essential tasks like making and receiving calls, sending and receiving email and messages, and accessing the internet.

support.apple.com

- at 20% to 10%, most phones enter your typical 'low battery' mode. At 20% your phone will ask you if you want to enter low battery. When it drops under 10%-ish, it will do so automatically.

- Low battery mode disables a number of features, depending on the phone. From disabling 3-5G, to shutting down half the cores, it makes less handshakes with towers. That's how I am assuming they knew that the battery was draining leading up to the 10:30ish pm 'the phone ran out of battery'. They did not see the screen shut down; they only know that it stopped handshaking with the tower between 10:30ish pm and 4:30ish am.

HOWEVER.

- When an iPhone dies, it isn’t genuinely empty of battery power. Instead, a small percentage remains to power its wireless chips that can be used with the Find My feature. If you’ve ever lost your iPhone, you know that you can utilize the feature to track its location.

Even if your iPhone dies, it can still do these 3 things

Your iPhone is a lifeline to many daily activities. When it dies, it can cause problems. But here are three things it can still do.

www.komando.com

The phone keeps protecting its vital wireless chips, so IMO it is very likely that it either a) it wasn't fully drained, just on a very low battery mode, and it did one final attempt to connect while it was powering off proper

Or

b) it was powered off, but someone was using 'find my iphone' which forced the wireless chip to reconnect, thus receiving all the messages.

All MOO

(I am no longer in tech, so a lot of this info might be wrong or outdated. It is correct IMO but super happy to hear from more experienced people.)

 

[photographer4]

The fact that the one device he had on him prior to the murders, during the murders, and after the murders was inexplicably missing.

Not damning, just interesting.

I’d be more upset over this missing device if the state could show his Pc / a tablet could tie him to the kids / the crime but so far, we don’t have this. We don’t even have his dna on the kids / at the scene….
Mmooo

 

[Melted]

The fact that the one device he had on him prior to the murders, during the murders, and after the murders was inexplicably missing.

Not damning, just interesting.

How do they even know what that phone was?

From the phones EID number from the same report that Dillon wrote his name down as Richard Whiteman?

JMO

 

[JAY CLUCK]

The ritual theory shows us how desperate the defence has become. Making a fuss that sticks in a forest indicate that a violent double murder relates to ritual is absurd.

It's similar to the defence asking a female witness why she didn't offer the muddy, bloody, unfriendly looking, camouflaged man walking along the road a ride.

Desperate in an offensive manner.

I don’t think you understand how defense works. Their job isn’t to prove he did not do it. The prosecutions job is to prove he did. He is otherwise not guilty if they can’t. The defense’s job is to prevent that. Taking a couple shreds and weaving a story to sow doubt is actually brilliant defense work. Baldwin is good and it’s why RA wanted him.

 

[HockeyMom330]

Only 45 min late and someone is visibly distressed? No doubt it was a concern but teens being 45 min late for anything doesn’t surprise me. I can understand they wanted to look for them but already distressed? It was only 3:57 pm and not yet dark. Bit of a reach for me. Has the family said it was them? As always, JMHO.

I see your point, but I also think their concern/distress is reasonable given the context. Firstly, the family knew that the girls were on the high bridge and hiking the trails, so were likely worried that one or both of the girls had fallen and gotten injured. Secondly, in the era of cell phones, parents expect kids will text/call back immediately, and when they don't parents worry that something is wrong. Libby seemed responsible and active on social media. For her to miss her pick up time/location and not respond to texts would be out of character, which would cause her family to worry.

 

[Melted]

So, I can give you my own experience and some links.

As a battery of a smartphone is dying, it performs a few tasks automatically. Think of it as a creature that's freezing and is trying to preserve energy/life/heat for its most important functions. It differs a little between models, but the basics are:

Use Low Power Mode to reduce power usage on iPhone

Low Power Mode reduces the amount of power that your iPhone uses when the battery gets low. It optimizes performance for essential tasks like making and receiving calls, sending and receiving email and messages, and accessing the internet.

support.apple.com

- at 20% to 10%, most phones enter your typical 'low battery' mode. At 20% your phone will ask you if you want to enter low battery. When it drops under 10%-ish, it will do so automatically.

- Low battery mode disables a number of features, depending on the phone. From disabling 3-5G, to shutting down half the cores, it makes less handshakes with towers. That's how I am assuming they knew that the battery was draining leading up to the 10:30ish pm 'the phone ran out of battery'. They did not see the screen shut down; they only know that it stopped handshaking with the tower between 10:30ish pm and 4:30ish am.

HOWEVER.

- When an iPhone dies, it isn’t genuinely empty of battery power. Instead, a small percentage remains to power its wireless chips that can be used with the Find My feature. If you’ve ever lost your iPhone, you know that you can utilize the feature to track its location.

Even if your iPhone dies, it can still do these 3 things

Your iPhone is a lifeline to many daily activities. When it dies, it can cause problems. But here are three things it can still do.

www.komando.com

The phone keeps protecting its vital wireless chips, so IMO it is very likely that it either a) it wasn't fully drained, just on a very low battery mode, and it did one final attempt to connect while it was powering off proper

Or

b) it was powered off, but someone was using 'find my iphone' which forced the wireless chip to reconnect, thus receiving all the messages.

All MOO

(I am no longer in tech, so a lot of this info might be wrong or outdated. It is correct IMO but super happy to hear from more experienced people.)

So it is your belief that those are the only two options for why a phone would power off at 10:30 pm and power back on at 4:30 am?

 

[MassGuy]

How do they even know what that phone was?

From the phones EID number from the same report that Dillon wrote his name down as Richard Whiteman?

JMO

Two sets of numbers were taken down in that report. Just because the officer transposed his last name with his address, doesn't mean he got those numbers wrong. Come on man, not every single detail here must be ignored because a mistake was made. This is exhausting.

 

[photographer4]

So, I can give you my own experience and some links.

As a battery of a smartphone is dying, it performs a few tasks automatically. Think of it as a creature that's freezing and is trying to preserve energy/life/heat for its most important functions. It differs a little between models, but the basics are:

Use Low Power Mode to reduce power usage on iPhone

Low Power Mode reduces the amount of power that your iPhone uses when the battery gets low. It optimizes performance for essential tasks like making and receiving calls, sending and receiving email and messages, and accessing the internet.

support.apple.com

- at 20% to 10%, most phones enter your typical 'low battery' mode. At 20% your phone will ask you if you want to enter low battery. When it drops under 10%-ish, it will do so automatically.

- Low battery mode disables a number of features, depending on the phone. From disabling 3-5G, to shutting down half the cores, it makes less handshakes with towers. That's how I am assuming they knew that the battery was draining leading up to the 10:30ish pm 'the phone ran out of battery'. They did not see the screen shut down; they only know that it stopped handshaking with the tower between 10:30ish pm and 4:30ish am.

HOWEVER.

- When an iPhone dies, it isn’t genuinely empty of battery power. Instead, a small percentage remains to power its wireless chips that can be used with the Find My feature. If you’ve ever lost your iPhone, you know that you can utilize the feature to track its location.

Even if your iPhone dies, it can still do these 3 things

Your iPhone is a lifeline to many daily activities. When it dies, it can cause problems. But here are three things it can still do.

www.komando.com

The phone keeps protecting its vital wireless chips, so IMO it is very likely that it either a) it wasn't fully drained, just on a very low battery mode, and it did one final attempt to connect while it was powering off proper

Or

b) it was powered off, but someone was using 'find my iphone' which forced the wireless chip to reconnect, thus receiving all the messages.

All MOO

(I am no longer in tech, so a lot of this info might be wrong or outdated. It is correct IMO but super happy to hear from more experienced people.)

I know my current phone does ask me if I want to enter low power mode. But I had an iPhone 6s and I do not recall if it did this. I also remember the battery on it was so bad I took it to Apple on Apple care to be replaced. It was still terrible even with a. Ew battery. Infact, there’s a class action over the battery issues of this (and other) Apple devices that you can learn more about here:

iPhone Batterygate Latest: More iPhone Users Can Now Claim Payouts

Some iPhone users are now eligible to submit claims for payouts of up to $150, it emerges.

www.forbes.com

 

[Spartygirl]

Just my recollect, anyone feel free to correct me. Several times it’s been stated the crime scene was not visible from the bridge but it’s not clear if that was due to the distance, the trees, or the rugged terrain. The story goes that LG’s dad didn’t cross the bridge, he mostly walked the other way toward the Freedom bridge and waited where his car was parked for their return. But it’s certainly possibly BG heard him or others calling out. I haven’t heard of anyone claiming to be anywhere close to the crime scene area at the time of the murders although at one time it was mentioned there was a couple of ppl beneath the bridge. JMO

Correct.
The CS is NOT visible from the bridge
JMO from being there.

 

[photographer4]

Correct.
The CS is NOT visible from the bridge
JMO from being there.

Wondering: what time of year did you attend the bridge? Ty in advance.

 

[SouthEnd]

So it is your belief that those are the only two options for why a phone would power off at 10:30 pm and power back on at 4:30 am?

Going from the totality of the info we get from here:

'You need to call me now': Delphi murder trial testimony reveals text from Libby's grandmother

The trial of Richard Allen for the Delphi murders resumed Wednesday with testimony from an eyewitness, a forensic pathologist and a police technician.

eu.indystar.com

And here: 'I don't know' | Investigator describes unexplained gap in data from Libby's phone | Day 5 of Delphi murders trial for suspect Richard Allen

>2:14:41 p.m. - Someone tries to unlock the phone
>2:32:39 p.m. - Last movement of phone
>10:32:06 p.m. - Last signal from phone

- There is no indication the phone powered off at 10:32pm. Only that it stopped trying to connect to the tower.
- In fact since we can tell when someone tried to unlock the phone, the same software would tell us if someone had manually turned off the phone.
- Similarly, no one turned on the phone manually. This is an action that would have been logged.
- Therefor the only explanation is that the phone was either
-- a) switching on and off by itself
-- b) it had not fully powered off, and it connected to the tower after 6 odd hours of hibernating to conserve power.

All MOO

What is your belief?

 

[Seattle1]

I’m sorry? A funeral photo? On LG’s device? The one found under Abby’s body?? I’m wondering, do you happen to have a link to this or is this a rumour? If LE gave back the phone and the fam was using it within days post murders I am going to be incredibly surprised!! Wouldn’t this be considered huge evidence? Did they give back the kids clothes and shoes too????? Moo but it’s not even moo it’s an actual question!

I thought it was with this story from August 2017 that I read yesterday but I'll keep looking. Here, MSM reports more was recorded and shared with the family by LE than what we learned released in the 43 second video/audio:

DELPHI, Ind. (WTHR) - State police say more audio from Libby German's cell phone was played for the victims' families, including a mention of a man they noticed behind them.
Police say the girls mostly talk about "stuff girls talk about" in the recording, but they also mention the man. The only audio that has been released to the public from the phone is that of a man's voice ordering German and her friend, Abby Williams, "down the hill."

Police: Delphi murder victims spoke of man behind them in audio played for family

State police say more audio from Libby German's cell phone was played for the victims' families, including a mention of a man they noticed behind them.

www.wthr.com

 

[photographer4]

Wondering: what time of year did you attend the bridge? Ty in advance.

Actually, I was also wondering, how do you know exactly where the bodies were found to know the area not visible from the bridge? Police hadn’t released this before had they? Moo but it’s a genuine question not an opinion.

 

[photographer4]

I thought it was with this story from August 2017 that I read yesterday but I'll keep looking. Here, MSM reports more was recorded and shared with the family by LE than what we learned released in the 43 second video/audio:

DELPHI, Ind. (WTHR) - State police say more audio from Libby German's cell phone was played for the victims' families, including a mention of a man they noticed behind them.
Police say the girls mostly talk about "stuff girls talk about" in the recording, but they also mention the man. The only audio that has been released to the public from the phone is that of a man's voice ordering German and her friend, Abby Williams, "down the hill."

Police: Delphi murder victims spoke of man behind them in audio played for family

State police say more audio from Libby German's cell phone was played for the victims' families, including a mention of a man they noticed behind them.

www.wthr.com

Thanks for looking for a link. If infact the LE released the cell back to family in time for the funeral (or all!) I would wonder why the D didn’t file for a mistrial yet!! Yikes!!