Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #202

[Melted]

But what do their descriptions matter when there is photographic evidence of a man that they all agree is the man they saw that day?

That the person they all described and testified that was bridge guy does not match Richard Allen. JMO

 

[WildHuncher]

This falls at random, as they say here.

If RA was gone long before SC saw muddy, bloody guy, why does the D care if he was muddy and bloody or just plain muddy? It wasn’t RA.

If it was RA, when, how, and why did he innocently get muddy but not bloody? Why did he never mention it?

 

[flashy09]

What, are we not allowed to type out “that” person’s name, JBC?
I sure don’t want to break any rules here but I’ll be happy to type it out.

I think he is on the defense witness list so I think typing his name should be fine!

 

[Deleted member 229974]

I think they all have a headache coming on.

Unfortunately, her other testimony was lost in the shuffle.
I wonder how many times the jurors can hear that before they wonder what's going on.

added:
Defense asked why she didn’t mention blood in her past statements to law enforcement. She said she did but they did not write it down. She also says it was in her videotaped testimony but that videotape was lost when the DVR was recorded over

Unbelievable.

 

[JAY CLUCK]

i am now getting the feeling we are getting “it’s coming” until the very end.

 

[Vern]

Maybe his prison companions who were praying with him helped him to see the light.

Impossible.

RA was on suicide watch from 1 April 2023.

3 March 2023 comes before 1 April 2023.

_Testimony of Warden John Galipeau Given at Hearing on Motion to Suppress Held July 31, 2024.pdf

drive.google.com

https://twitter.com/x/status/1848812492077617391

 

[Ravenmoon]

What, are we not allowed to type out “that” person’s name, JBC?
I sure don’t want to break any rules here but I’ll be happy to type it out.

It's my understanding that none of the third party individuals should even be mentioned here on the main thread.

As of now, they are not on trial.

 

[Web_Sleuth]

Pathologist: Abby was cut once on the neck. Libby was cut at least 4 times.​

Dr. Roland Kohr, a semi-retired forensic pathologist, who conducted the autopsies on the teens on Feb. 15, 2017, said Abby had a 2-inch laceration across her neck that damaged the left jugular vein. Kohr said the cut appeared to have been made from right to left.


Libby had at least four, maybe five, overlapping wounds on her neck, Kohr testified. Two of the cuts, one on each side, were lethal and hit arteries ― meaning blood would have spread several feet. Both of her hands were also bloody, Kohr said, suggesting that she might have grabbed her neck.

Kohr, who said that he had performed between 7,700 and 7,800 autopsies in his career, estimated that the teens lived between four to 10 minutes after their throats were slashed, although they likely lost consciousness before dying.

Kohr also said there were no signs that the girls were sexually assaulted.

'You need to call me now': Delphi murder trial testimony reveals text from Libby's grandmother

The trial of Richard Allen for the Delphi murders resumed Wednesday with testimony from an eyewitness, a forensic pathologist and a police technician.

www.indystar.com

 

[joe jones]

I think we’re already there on motive, as your first paragraph seems to acknowledge. Purportedly the coming confession evidence will further support this. But we shall see.

That's not evidence though, my point was you could presume a motive but you have to prove that motive with evidence, and yes he may have in one of his numerous confessions stated that it was a motive,
But I have huge problems with his confessions, and anybody that has posted throughout trials with me over the years knows my opinion on the use of jail house snitches, and I think we may have some in this trial, testilying I call it when I see one

 

[m00c0w]

That's the best I can find:

'
February 15, 2017

2:33 p.m. Authorities positively identify the two bodies found Tuesday as Abigail Williams and Liberty German during a press conference held in Delphi. Autopsies were performed earlier that day in Terre Haute, according to authorities.
'

DELPHI TIMELINE: The search for Libby & Abby's killer

On February 13, 2017, Liberty "Libby" German and Abigail "Abby" Williams went for a hike near the Monon High Bridge in Delphi. Here's a look at what has happened since that day.

www.wrtv.com

If the autopsies were performed at 8 or 9am, which would make sense as they would have been the most urgent autopsies in Dr. Kohr's agenda, that would make 41hrs earlier - lets say 3pm, Feb 13th.

He would have needed to be doing the autopsies post the 2:33pm LE statement, to fit the 4am timeline.

All MOO

What, more defense fabrications and truth stretching? No way!

JMO

 

[ClearAhead]

has anybody read any reports or listened to video where it was mentioned the word gun was on the video Libby took

Yes Day 4 The Murder Sheet podcast.

Also claim to hear a metallic sound between the words Guys and DTH which may be that of a gun racking.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

Why wouldn't RA, a father himself, look down or away at those disturbing and graphic pictures? That really bothers me a lot and I'm sure it's not lost on the jury either.

JMO

IMO, a defendant is told by their attorney to not show any emotion at all.
Why? Because no matter what they do, cry, look away, smile, nod, shake their head or pick their nose, each juror will have a different interpretation of the defendant. Basically, they’re damned if they do and damned if they don’t. IMO

 

[Jade]

The reason that doesn’t do it for me is because if the reporter’s drawing is accurate, that writing does not look like it came from a person who was thinking clearly whatsoever. He doesn’t even account for how much space is available in the name field. The spacing is very strange. He writes below the ‘do not write below this line’. Granted, other than his letter asking to throw himself at the court’s mercy, I can’t claim to know his usual writing patterns nor how he usually fills out forms, but the looks of this note (in my eyes) does more to support the mental health decline that one might suffer as a result of his imprisonment in solitary confinement of a maximum security prison, i.e. confession under duress. I also understand that there are many more confessions to come in this trial, but for me personally, this one doesn’t solidify RA as the killer just yet.

IMO

The defense has claimed RA was and is competent, able to understand the charges against him and their penalties and that he has been able to cooperate with his attorney’s in his own defense.

RA is now attending court as competent as assured by his attorneys with nothing presented as impeding him from understanding and assisting in his defense.

Who are we to question if those who have his best interest in mind, the defense, say he was and is competent?

Accordingly we have to believe the note by RA is genuine but messy.

I’m not sure that critiquing a confession done by hand is fair.

It’s the content not the style of the writing that matters since we can assume he didn’t think he would be graded on it.


all imo

 

[Deleted member 229974]

11:45 A.M.: THE DOCTOR WHO PERFORMED GIRLS’ AUTOPSIES TESTIFIES​

Dr. Roland Kohr, a forensic pathologist based out of Terre Haute, was the state’s 20th witness in the trial. Kohr is semi-retired, and served as the Vigo County coroner for many years. He performed autopsies on Libby German and Abby Williams.

Kohr explained to the jury the steps of an autopsy, which begins with being contacted by investigators and learning about the case, then later performing examinations of the bodies.

The first autopsy was performed on Abby. Kohr noted Abby’s clothing, any physical injuries, and performed a rape kit. He said that Abby had a shallow, 3-inch long incision wound on her neck. Abby showed no signs of blunt force trauma or restraint wounds. He said that though the rape kit showed no “overt injury patterns,” it does not mean that sexual contact didn’t occur.

Delphi Murders Trial: Day 5 live blog

Wednesday is day 5 of testimonies in the Delphi Murders trial begins at the Carroll County courthouse. Follow our live blog for updates.

www.wishtv.com

What?

 

[joe jones]

IMO, a defendant is told by their attorney to not show any emotion at all.
Why? Because no matter what they do, cry, look away, smile, nod, shake their head or pick their nose, each juror will have a different interpretation of the defendant. Basically, they’re damned if they do and damned if they don’t. IMO

Anybody think he will testify? I don't think he will

 

[MiniMoo]

The "bloody" man testimony is a mess.

So either this LE is so bad they didn't write down that a witness saw a BLOODY MAN in the same day and place two girls were murdered and then LOST the taped interview where she confirmed it or she did not say he was bloody and is misremembering.

It's almost certainly the latter IMO.

Eyewitness testimony is easily compromised and experts have generally agreed the first recollection immediately after the incident is the most reliable. The more time that goes by, the less reliable the memory is. Most likely this witness saw a muddy man, reported as much to LE, but as days, weeks, months, years go by and she learns details of the crime from the news she starts to think that maybe she actually saw blood as well and eventually has a false memory that was bloody. This is a common issue and has been the cause of many overturned guilty verdicts.

Regardless, it doesn't sound like we can believe the man she saw was bloody. I think she misremembered but even if she didn't then LE ruined that piece of evidence by being terrible at their jobs.

It doesn't matter much overall, it was hardly a smoking gun, but I'm concerned that so many people here seem to think her saying he was bloody on the stand 7 years somehow means he was in fact, bloody. Always, always be skeptical of eyewitness testimony especially if it's changed over time!

I think it is labeled as a falsified memory.

I do agree that what a person might remember immediately can be somewhat different years later - even weeks and months.

The loss of all those interviews or statements is a major issue really and should never have happened.

JMO MOO JMT

 

[FromGermany1]

Probably a family member of Libby's. This was at 3:57 p.m.

Bbbut, it was much too early to be distressed, when allegedly the girls were still assumed to be in town, at Abby's friend's house or elsewhere on an unallowed, but harmless excursion.
Maybe, we learn of an explanation ....

 

[m00c0w]

That's not evidence though, my point was you could presume a motive but you have to prove that motive with evidence, and yes he may have in one of his numerous confessions stated that it was a motive,
But I have huge problems with his confessions, and anybody that has posted throughout trials with me over the years knows my opinion on the use of jail house snitches, and I think we may have some in this trial, testilying I call it when I see one

Motive is not necessary. RA is being tried for felony murder. All that ultimately matters is if he attempted to kidnap the girls and they were killed in the process. Motive helps explain things more neatly, but is not at all a requirement.

JMO

 

[Melted]

Wow, not sure what to make of this testimony.

She "saw a group of people at the Mears entrance, including a man covered in mud and blood and a girl wearing pink who appeared visibly stressed. She said she drove past the man, who did not acknowledge her, but says she later recognized him as “Bridge Guy.” She waited three weeks to report who she saw to police, saying she was afraid."

Who was the girl in pink?

She also says that "the Bridge Guy’s jacket was dark enough to where she wouldn’t have seen blood on it, and but his jeans were light enough to show the mud on them. The jury finished by asking how close she was to Bridge Guy when she saw him at the Mears entrance, to which she answered he was within three feet of the passenger side."

Source: Delphi Murders Trial: Day 5 live blog

This is insane.

So bridge guy was with a group of stressed people at the mears lot?!?

 

[Shadowtrix]

Anybody think he will testify? I don't think he will

Not a chance. JMO