Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #202

[JAY CLUCK]

The image of BG from LG phone was enhanced by LE, he was barely visible on the actual recording, so it was put into software (all my very honest opinion from reading differing accounts from court but if you want my post take it) which broke it down frame by frame, 3 frames were used to enhance the image with the analyst deciding what to add /enhance to make it a picture of BG that meant this was what LE thought was what BG looked like, and what he wore (video with BG in it is from a distance)
This is possibly why the BG walking clip was on a loop, as they had very little of BG on the video to work with
It is extraordinary that LG caught him on her recording, LE would have had no idea there was even a man on bridge without her, but to have filmed him when he was so far away even if it was only a very brief glimpse she managed to record means LE feel they have an image of BG from that day forgot to ADD IMHO

Right. This would just be a total cold case without that little snippet. It’s why I think the case is shaky but they’re going anyway. Have to give it a shot sooner than later.

 

[Argonaut]

Or, after reading above posts, was the phone just disabled because it got wet, and then dried enough at 4:30 am to function, and then battery died from so many messages being delivered.

Atmospheric conditions can change in the middle of the night that might have allowed Libby's phone to connect briefly. Or maybe it was the water like you suggest.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

I think it is labeled as a falsified memory.

I do agree that what a person might remember immediately can be somewhat different years later - even weeks and months.

The loss of all those interviews or statements is a major issue really and should never have happened.

JMO MOO JMT

I wonder if it was simply incompetence or intentional. IMO

 

[Vern]

If it were a family member or friend perhaps they just had a very Bad intuitive feeling that things were not going to end well and it certainly Did Not...

I agree. Parents know their children and their childrens' habits. The know when something is out of the ordinary for their child IMO.

 

[Gemmie]

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I had wondered if it was a gloved hand held over her mouth when I first read it. Duct tape has a bit of a pattern to it. I'm thinking it was a pattern on her chin, and not tape residue, or he'd have said as much. All JMO.

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[Boxer]

Only 45 min late and someone is visibly distressed? No doubt it was a concern but teens being 45 min late for anything doesn’t surprise me. I can understand they wanted to look for them but already distressed? It was only 3:57 pm and not yet dark. Bit of a reach for me. Has the family said it was them? As always, JMHO.

Absolutely. The girls were very punctual and responsible.

 

[Gemmie]

Yes but I’ve been racking my brains how and why Abby would be wearing Libby s clothes. I don’t believe it’s easy to dress a dead body.

I have to agree that it's not easy to dress a dead body, but I'm thinking it would be easier in this case, as Libby weighed twice as much as Abby, according to their Missing posters (100/200 lbs). JMO

https://twitter.com/x/status/1492800902603882496

 

[JAY CLUCK]

I have to agree that it's not easy to dress a dead body, but I'm thinking it would be easier in this case, as Libby weighed twice as much as Abby, according to their Missing posters (100/200 lbs). JMO

https://twitter.com/x/status/1492800902603882496

I’ve always known this but it’s suddenly striking seeing it written - RA is the same height as both of them.

Moment of lucidity of just how short he really is too.

 

[MassGuy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1849188996926279714

 

[Kudzuu]

I go to the end and read backwards myself because lots of stuff gets repeated

I'm a bit ashamed of myself. I usually just scroll past. But I got took in.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

Right. This would just be a total cold case without that little snippet. It’s why I think the case is shaky but they’re going anyway. Have to give it a shot sooner than later.

Yeah, a cold case might be a little embarrassing for LE, especially with those “unfortunate” accidentals. IMO

 

[MassGuy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1849214513792368994

 

[schooling]

This has probably already been discussed (I know its long been a theory proposed by me and others on these forums), haven't had a chance to catch up yet. I decided to listen to the Murder Sheet first.

Áine and Kevin interpreted the sound heard on Abby's video (right before "Down the Hill") as metallic. Kevin called it similar to "a gun being racked". Which would make sense if Bridge Guy (Richard Allen, IMO) was trying to threaten the two victims.

Assuming that this interpretation is accurate (we'll probably never know). We can then assume that this would have brought a bullet up to the chamber. (IMO as a licensed gun owner)

Which means that another threatening racking of the gun would result in a unspent bullet being ejected. MOO

Again, likely already mentioned, maybe even in trial. But interesting.

 

[Arkay]

Some ritual involves sticks, not all sticks involve ritual. How does this crime scene illustration represent ritual - keeping in mind that this is a forest covered with sticks, branches, leaves and blood. Numbers represent possible movements of Libby as she was murdered.

Thank you…,I’ve posted about this more times than I can recall.

Had the girls been covered with twigs and branches and leaves in someplace other than a winter forest, I would be concerned.

Had they been found with twigs and branches and leaves on a glacier, or on the beach, or on a desert, yes I’d be suspicious.

But to be covered with twigs and branches and leaves in a forest, particularly in winter when the trees are not in bloom and twigs and branches break, then IMO those were just what was handy and omnipresent to partially cover them.

JMO

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Just thinking here...

Notably it seems there is no DNA from RA at the crime scene...
(yet?)...

BUT.... at the same time...
Have we heard of any OTHER DNA found not yet identified?

 

[snooptroop88]

All that really matters is the broad strokes. The guy was muddy and bloody, and on foot. That means the murders already happened, and his car was not parked on that access road close at hamd.

Yes! And what band of murderous conspirators/confederates would leave muddy bloody BG out staggering down the road, a calling card to blow their entire nefarious operation??

This wasn't some organized group, it wasn't even two actors. It's a single killer who at times doesn't appear to have been thinking too clearly, jmo.

 

[Trebor5591]

Somehow the cold, factual wording, makes it even harder to read. Grateful for the work of Dr. Kohr and all the medical examiners across the world, it is a truly tough job, IMO.

RBBM
Kohr estimated that the girls died approximately 41 hours before the autopsy

Tadah!! A PRECISE (enough) Time of Death! I hope this puts all the secondary location theories to bed.
(Now if only the reporters had the time the autopsy was performed, that would have been excellent.)

All MOO

So what time was the autopsy performed, so we can calculate the time of death?

 

[Seattle1]

interesting there was a tower connection at 10pm then? seems a bit of a problem for the defence theory?

I'm wondering if the delay in phone reception/activity from 10pm on 2/13 to 4:33 AM on 2/14 might be due by two different towers owned/controlled by two different carriers, and police intervention requesting Libby's phone pinged. We also have to remember we are talking location, and technology and limitations dating to 2017 and Libby's iPhone 6.

Also, I'm recalling the recent public notice from the town of Delphi advising visitors and media attending the trial that cell phone boosters were installed on town buildings. I'm presuming this was to improve cellular signal, GPS, or both. MOO

 

[ClearAhead]

I wonder if the 'fail unlock' could be one of the girls grabbing at the phone to hide it better, and their palm touching the fingertip sensor?

Or a failed attempt to try call 911. If so and successful how that would’ve changed how this all ended.

 

[Gemmie]

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Cecil said two people were using the phone: Abby and Libby.
The touch ID had 6 fingerprints saved.
Cecil presented a timeline of activity on Libby's phone on that day:

1:41:44 p.m. - A picture was posted to Snapchat
1:43:59 p.m. - Another picture was posted to Snapchat
2:05:10 p.m. - Another picture was posted to Snapchat of the Monon High Bridge
2:07:20 p.m. - Last time the phone was unlocked
2:13:51 p.m. - Video recorded showing Abby walking across the Monon High Bridge with someone behind her
2:14:41 p.m. - Someone tries to unlock the phone
2:32:39 p.m. - Last movement of phone
10:32:06 p.m. - Last signal from phone

So, only about 7 seconds after the bridge guy video is taken, someone tries to unlock the phone. Too many scenarios spring to mind.

Perhaps it was Libby trying to unlock it to call 911 and failed. She had already seen the gun by this time, and was likely very shaken by what was happening to them. I can only imagine her hands were shaking. I know mine would be.

I wouldn't think it was BG trying to unlock it simply because of where it ended up being found. Wasn't it found under Abby? I'd think he wouldn't be stupid enough to leave it there if he at some point had it in his hand to try to unlock it, so I'm thinking it was Libby to call for help. I wish she had been able to do that. It very likely could have saved their lives because BG wouldn't go through with what went down if he knew LE was called and on their way.

All JMO