Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #203

[Elley Mae]

I went back to see when the photo was released and it was 2/15/2017 and in that release it was not stated that it was from the victims phone, it was said that they wanted to talk to this person because he might have seen something. I am unsure of exactly when we learned it was a photo from the victims phone, but he was not being reported as a POI when the photo was released and it was not stated that the photo was from a video on the victims phone.

On 2/16/2017 RA didn't know they had a video or his voice on that video.

Correct, i remember thinking someone had a trail camera somewhere.

 

[justtrish]

I think however they phrased it, people believed that guy was the killer.

I remember believing it was from a game camera at the time. I think Allen saw the photo, and was trying to get ahead of it. It’s so maddening, because if this mistake wasn’t made, he’s probably arrested within days.

There would have certainly been much more evidence.

Oh I know we all thought wow this is the suspect, but LE was not saying that.

If LE released that photo and said this is from a video on Libby's phone and it includes the killer telling them to go down the hill, then I don't think RA ever calls LE on 2/15.

 

[shonyakay]

RA wanting to make a report on February 16, the day after the release of the picture of "BG" doesn't bode well for him either.

Imo he felt he had to since he was seen.

 

[Inthedetails]

Oh I know we all thought wow this is the suspect, but LE was not saying that.

If LE released that photo and said this is from a video on Libby's phone and it includes the killer telling them to go down the hill, then I don't think RA ever calls LE on 2/15.

RA says he contacted LE because his wife told him to. Welp, he could've told her he did talk to LE without actually doing it. How would she have known? Then, he likely would've gotten away with it.

jmo

 

[Cedars]

LE had a press conference in Delphi on February 22, when they announced that Libby had recorded the video. The actual conference is still available.

I went back to look at those early days and the photo was released saying this man was on the trail and not that he was a POI and it wasn't even mentioned that the girls reorded him or that this still photo was from a video from the victims phone.

I do recall us discussing if it was from a trail camera.. so many theories on where this photo came from early on. The police did not state it was from Libby's phone.

I think RA thought he would just to say he was there and it would take care of that photo they were sharing around and that would be it.

I agree, here is a quote from the media on the 16th:

"Police have not released any information on where the photo they released came from but they are hoping to speak to him regarding what he may have seen that day.

Indiana State Police said there have been a few rumors on Facebook that they have found the man and spoken to him, but officers said this is not true.

More than 100 tips were received overnight, but police say there are still no suspects or persons of interest at this time.

Indiana State Police also want to talk to anyone who was parked at High Bridge Trail Head on Monday, February 13, between 1 p.m. and 5 p.m."

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/...-was-on-the-walking-trails-monday-near-delphi

So.I agree, RA thought he'd been caught on a trail cam.

JMO

ETA: IMO, his wife recognized it was him

 

[mrjitty]

I think however they phrased it, people believed that guy was the killer.

I remember believing it was from a game camera at the time. I think Allen saw the photo, and was trying to get ahead of it. It’s so maddening, because if this mistake wasn’t made, he’s probably arrested within days.

There would have certainly been much more evidence.

BIB. Yes. There is no great mystery to this case. He just got lucky that LE muffed the tip. If he is arrested back then, none of these conspiracies get started

 

[dub]

More testimony from Steve Mullin:

Mullin responded that he believes the car in the video was Richard Allen’s. He said the “general shape of the car was the same,” as were the taillights, bumper, rims (black sports rims with spokes).

The jury was shown a 9-second video of the vehicle as it passed from east to west, followed by close-ups of the car.

Some of the car’s major identifying features — including the license plate and VIN — were not visible on the security camera footage. The time on the security camera footage and info from Dulin’s meeting match up, according to News 8’s Kyla Russell.

Mullin said he and Liggett went to Richard Allen’s house on Oct. 13, 2022, and told him they wanted to ask questions about the Delphi investigation.

He told the jury Allen agreed to go to the police department and was taken there in an unmarked car and in plain clothes.

They arrived at the police station, where Mullin said he asked Allen what he was doing on Feb. 13, 2017.

Allen said he went to his mom’s house in Peru, returned to Delphi, picked up a jacket, went to the trails around 12 p.m., and left at 1:30 p.m.

Mullin told the jury Allen indicated — but did not say — he saw the thee girls at the start of the bridge. Allen added that he looked at his “stock ticker,” watched fish from the bridge, and walked until at least the first platform.

Allen told police he was driving his Ford Focus and parked at the old DCS building.
Mullin said Allen described his clothing that day as a black/blue Carhartt jacket, blue jeans, and a skull cap.

Source: Delphi Murders trial: Day 6 live blog

I didn’t know that RA’s mom lived in Peru, and definitely didn’t know he allegedly went there on the day of the murder.

So if I have my ducks in a row, now we both have RA allegedly traveling to Peru and back, and KAK allegedly mapping out a route from Peru to Delphi, both on the day of the murder.

It was already hard enough to believe the catfishing and the murder were not connected, but that takes it to another level. It’s not like Peru and Delphi are that close to one another!

I don’t necessarily believe they are connected, but man there are layers of astounding coincidences if they aren’t.

Then again Chadwell is also connected to Peru if I remember right, and he doesn’t seem to be involved, so who knows.

 

[girlhasnoname]

So he had a skull cap on in the bridge video.

Makes BB statement that RA could have been wearing a hat instead of seeing poofy hair from 50 feet a big ole' BAM to me. I've seen RA in KA's FB posts of him at the local pub.

JMO

 

[Melted]

I don't need to be corrected but thanks. The PCA said four juvenile females were seen by BB passing overhead as she arrived to park. The PCA said they interviewed 3 females so at that time many people assumed the witness was wrong or making it up. Turns out she wasn't.

<snipped>

BB advised she saw four juvenile females walking on the bridge over Old State Road 25 as she was driving underneath on her way to park.

Court documents released in Delphi murder case: Read the probable cause affidavit here

MOO

But Richard Allen never stated he saw 4 girls, he clearly stated he saw 3 girls…

 

[Cedars]

RA says he contacted LE because his wife told him to. Welp, he could've told her he did talk to LE without actually doing it. How would she have known? Then, he likely would've gotten away with it.

jmo

IMO, he was extremely anxious other people would recognize him from the photo. Anxiety is a crippling emotion. He didn't believe anyone could prove he'd even seen the girls. So he reduced his anxiety by admitting - not to police, but someone who felt safe - that he'd parked there and been there.

JMO

 

[BUF]

The judge released the jury instructions

https://www.wishtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/24/Jury-instructions-1.pdf

 

[MassGuy]

But Richard Allen never stated he saw 4 girls, he clearly stated he saw 3 girls…

He may have gotten the number wrong, but he mentioned a younger girl that was with the group that claimed to have seen him.

I wonder how many groups of girls were out there at the same time, with a younger child along for the ride?

Groups that came forward to say they were on the trail that day too.

I’m going to guess 0.

 

[CS2C]

Sorry for the simple question but were police able to recover the phone Richard Allen was using at the time of the murders?

 

[Boxer]

But Richard Allen never stated he saw 4 girls, he clearly stated he saw 3 girls…

Walking by he didnt see or register the 9 yo in favor of noticing the teens.

 

[flashy09]

Sorry for the simple question but were police able to recover the phone Richard Allen was using at the time of the murders?

No, it seems to be the only phone RA hasn't kept and he has some relics in his collection!

 

[rhino]

Sorry for the simple question but were police able to recover the phone Richard Allen was using at the time of the murders?

No. They recovered another 23 electronic items including multiple phones, just conveniently not the one he had at the time of the murders…

 

[Melted]

Walking by he Dldn't see or register the 9 yo in favor of noticing the teens.

Do you have a source for this or is this your opinion?

 

[mrjitty]

So many little circumstantial details are jamming RA up.

I think the defence know if the Jury believe the murders happened at 2.30 he is toast. They need one person to at least half believe what they are selling. Someone who won't be too logical.

IMO

 

[Boxer]

RA wanting to make a report on February 16, the day after the release of the picture of "BG" doesn't bode well for him either.

Imo he felt he had to since he was seen.

IIRC The first photo was released late on 2/17 asking for the man to come forward as a witness.

 

[ClearAhead]

On the threads, we discussed for a long time where this photo might have come from. Many thought it was a trail cam or similar.

If LE didn’t announce the source of the photo by the 18th when RA was interviewed, I wonder what would cause him to think it was from the girls’s camera? - he said 'If this image was taken with the girls' camera, there's no way it could be me."

ETA My mistake, this interview was in 2022. Still, by then why the IF and why is he playing dumb? By then everyone knew it was taken “with the girls’ camera”.