Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #204

[m00c0w]

No I am saying at this point, **I** disagree with her analysis. Moo.

Ah. Okay.

 

[Vern]

@Niner

18/10/24: Instructions Of Court Pursuant To Criminal Rule 8 & Jury Rule 20 Of The Supreme Court Of Indiana

_Instructions of Court Pursuant to Criminal Rule and Jury Rule 20 of the Indiana Supreme Court of the State of Indiana.pdf

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18/10/24: First Joint Stipulations Regarding Evidentiary Matters:

_First Joint Stipulation Regarding Evidentiary Matters.pdf

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18/10/24: ORDER Banning 3 X Individuals From The Court Due To Recording Jury

_Order on October 18, 2024.pdf

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20/10/24: (Jennifer Auger files) Defendant's Motion In Limine Regarding Videos From The Victim's Phone

_Defendant’s Motion in Limine Regarding Videos From the Victim’s Phone.pdf

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20/10/24: (Thomas J. O'Brien files) Liited Appearance On Behalf Of Robert Ives

_Limited Appearance.pdf

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21/10/24: (Andrea Burkhart files) Motion To Intervene And For Public Access To Court Records

_Motion to Intervene and For Public Access to Court Records.pdf

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21/10/24: ORDER - Court Returned Confiscated Equipment

_Order on October 21, 2024.pdf

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22/10/24: ORDER - DENIED Andrea Burkhart's Motion For Leave To Intervene And For Public Access To Court Records

_Order on October 22, 2024

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22/10/24: ORDER - DENIED - Testimony of William Tobin

Order on October 22, 2024 - Google Drive

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22/10/24: ORDER - Taken Under Advisement: State's Motion In Limine Regarding State's Witness and The Defendant's Response

_Order on October 22, 2024.pdf

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23/10/24: Defense Motion To Admit Evidence Of Odinism/Norse Paganism/Ritualistic Killing

_Motion to Admit Evidence of Odinism/Norse Paganism/Ritualistic Killing.pdf

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24/10/24: Motion To Quash Subpoena (Robert Ives)

_Motion to Quash Subpoena.pdf

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[MassGuy]

This is the latest we’ve gone without a final update. A bit strange.

 

[INfisherman]

Keep in mind, the D gets their time to shine before it’s all said & done & 12 folks have to all agree.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

That’s a very broad and dismissive statement to make. I will trust the medical folks involved in the case to help sort out the impact of his mental state on the validity of the confessions. I also feel that the sheer number of confessions adds weight to credibility. I have no reason to simply assume RA wasn’t being truthful if he chose to confess, or that medications made him delusional.

jmo

Medications and his mental state also did not make him privy to details of the murders that only the killer would know.

 

[shonyakay]

In chronological order, RA hasn’t been arrested yet.

I missed today's testimony so I am not quite sure where they are at. Wasn't the DD tip already testified about? And the items discovered in the SW from his house? They should be getting pretty close then.

 

[MiniMoo]

Didn't Gull state he wasn't an expert? M00, if he were innocent he wouldn't worry about the other side.

I think if someone was innocent though they'd want the best representation possible and not so many roadblocks or hurdles to jump over each and every step of the way.

Proper experts are a must, however.

I just looked up Forensic Metallurgist and am not sure why someone like that would have been ruled out, but it seems Judge Gull wants a bullet expert and that is that.

JMO MOO JMT

 

[photographer4]

I’m pretty sure there would be legal consequences for walking out and not fulfilling civic duty. More likely, the judge would simply remove the disgruntled juror.

jmo

What would the consequences be? Is there a law that says they can't leave once they're sworn in? I'm genuinely asking - @AugustWest any help here pls? If a juror has had it with a trial for whatever reason - stress, trauma from whatever is presented etc etc... being sat in lousy chairs, unhappy with sequestration overall, is there some actual law that says they cannot simply walk out of court and refuse to go back? Any other lawyers happen to know? Ty in advance! NOT moo - actually asking!

 

[MassGuy]

I think if someone was innocent though they'd want the best representation possible and not so many roadblocks or hurdles to jump over each and every step of the way.

Proper experts are a must, however.

I just looked up Forensic Metallurgist and am not sure why someone like that would have been ruled out, but it seems Judge Gull wants a bullet expert and that is that.

JMO MOO JMT

And the defense should want that type of expert, as they could directly attack the conclusions of the prosecution expert. It sounds like the metallurgist could maybe do that in a round about way, but nowhere near as effectively. That's why I think they can't find one to testify to what they need them to, as there's no shortage of those.

 

[ClearAhead]

I missed today's testimony so I am not quite sure where they are at. Wasn't the DD tip already testified about? And the items discovered in the SW from his house? They should be getting pretty close then.

The entire day involved testimony and cross of the State’s forensic firearms expert. Yes DD testified yesterday and so the SW led to collection of RA’s gun, involved in the testing. Nothing else yet said about other items that were seized. A long day…

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delphi-murders-forensic-firearms-examiner-discusses-toolmark-methodology-unspent-bullet-evidence/

 

[gremlin444]

I wonder if they will get into his direct confessions tomorrow. Can't wait to hear testimony of those.

I doubt it--Saturdays are short court days, and they aren't going to want to start the confession witnesses and then have to wait until Monday to finish them.

 

[justtrish]

Medications and his mental state also did not make him privy to details of the murders that only the killer would know.

Unless he's a psychic now too.. I guess anything is possible with the defense in this case.

 

[justtrish]

And the defense should want that type of expert, as they could directly attack the conclusions of the prosecution expert. It sounds like the metallurgist could maybe do that in a round about way, but nowhere near as effectively. That's why I think they can't find one to testify to what they need them to, as there's no shortage of those.

Well the expert did say so far nobody has disagreed with her.. likely nobody trained as an EXPERT like her would say her analysis is wrong. I'd be curios how many experts the defense asked to look at this evidence and analyze it?

 

[Vern]

I think if someone was innocent though they'd want the best representation possible and not so many roadblocks or hurdles to jump over each and every step of the way.

Proper experts are a must, however.

I just looked up Forensic Metallurgist and am not sure why someone like that would have been ruled out, but it seems Judge Gull wants a bullet expert and that is that.

JMO MOO JMT

There is actually a precedent set in the State of Indiana by a different Judge with the very same witness Dr. William Tobin and his 'expert' testimony was not allowed as he had not examined the actual evidence.

He was deposed in September by the State in this case and did the exact same thing yet again. He didn't even view the State's evidence or examine the bullet found at the crime scene or RA's firearm:

2024-09-27 - State Motion In Limine Regarding Defense Witness William Tobin - Richard Allen.pdf

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[m00c0w]

I think if someone was innocent though they'd want the best representation possible and not so many roadblocks or hurdles to jump over each and every step of the way.

Proper experts are a must, however.

I just looked up Forensic Metallurgist and am not sure why someone like that would have been ruled out, but it seems Judge Gull wants a bullet expert and that is that.

JMO MOO JMT

JG is not the only one that feels this way. The motion in limine is a good summary. And don’t buy the mistruths… the defense has an actual firearms expert lined up that is fully permitted to testify.

 

[m00c0w]

What would the consequences be? Is there a law that says they can't leave once they're sworn in? I'm genuinely asking - @AugustWest any help here pls? If a juror has had it with a trial for whatever reason - stress, trauma from whatever is presented etc etc... being sat in lousy chairs, unhappy with sequestration overall, is there some actual law that says they cannot simply walk out of court and refuse to go back? Any other lawyers happen to know? Ty in advance! NOT moo - actually asking!

The court has charged them with being a juror. Walking out would be contempt, which would probably lead to a bench warrant and an even more uncomfortable living situation…

JMO

 

[MassGuy]

JG is not the only one that feels this way. The motion in limine is a good summary. And don’t buy the mistruths… the defense has an actual firearms expert lined up that is fully permitted to testify.

This makes me so mad. I thought by the way social media was talking about this that they didn’t have an expert at all now that Gull had ruled out that other guy.

I should have known better.

 

[photographer4]

The court has charged them with being a juror. Walking out would be contempt, which would probably lead to a bench warrant and an even more uncomfortable living situation…

JMO

I understand that idea - but is there any official link to any actual set law on this matter? I'm googling and what I see is you can be held in contempt for failing to respond to jury summons - I haven't seen anything yet about what happens if a juror just up and walks out and refuses to go back? I can see how this might cause a mistrial and the trouble that would cause - but I"m not seeing anywhere that shows any actual laws on this? Maybe they haven't had it happen yet so no such law has had to be made? Moooo.

 

[m00c0w]

This makes me so mad. I thought by the way social media was talking about this that they didn’t have an expert at all now that Gull had ruled out that other guy.

I should have known better.

It’s “the CAST testimony has been disallowed!!!” all over again.

 

[AugustWest]

What would the consequences be? Is there a law that says they can't leave once they're sworn in? I'm genuinely asking - @AugustWest any help here pls? If a juror has had it with a trial for whatever reason - stress, trauma from whatever is presented etc etc... being sat in lousy chairs, unhappy with sequestration overall, is there some actual law that says they cannot simply walk out of court and refuse to go back? Any other lawyers happen to know? Ty in advance! NOT moo - actually asking!

That is a really novel question and I really don't know. Let me look into the issue a bit and I will get back to you if I find an answer.